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Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (2)

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You will not see God. For to believe correctly is the believe the 10 commandments is still valid including the Sabbath. Therefore to know and not do is sin.
To refuse to believe the truth as the Jew also did is a sin too. So it is omportant to do and to know the truth.

I see, so you're justified by something other than the atonement of the Lord, in this case, following the sabbath. You believe salvation voids out if one does not keep the sabbath.

See, I don't need to keep the sabbath to be saved. The Spirit never seemed to have a problem with it before anyways
 
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I see, so you're justified by something other than the atonement of the Lord, in this case, following the sabbath. You believe salvation voids out if one does not keep the sabbath.

See, I don't need to keep the sabbath to be saved. The Spirit never seemed to have a problem with it before anyways


The Spirit of the Sabbath should be kept. We should not wish to make others work 7 days a week without rest. And we should not worship our Job and the money it brings by working 7 days a week. Working 7 days a week for food is not sin but serving mammon is.


Mt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Mt 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
 
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Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Ro 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
 
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You will not see God. For to believe correctly is the believe the 10 commandments is still valid including the Sabbath. Therefore to know and not do is sin.
To refuse to believe the truth as the Jew also did is a sin too. So it is omportant to do and to know the truth.
So you believe that salvation then is in keeping the sabbath? I believe we have entered into His eternal rest where we cease from working and trust and rely upon the Lord. Meaning that the workings of the law will justify no man.
 
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So you believe that salvation then is in keeping the sabbath? I believe we have entered into His eternal rest where we cease from working and trust and rely upon the Lord. Meaning that the workings of the law will justify no man.
You took that out of context, that was speaking of the next life.
Actually we're to work till our dying breath for the Lords gospel.
This is the 'labor of love' that is common in the bible.
So we work our labor of love till we enter this 'sabbath'
 
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Just mean that all that we have including Christ is Israelite. The prophets and the disciples. So to say that somethings is for Israel may cause for a closer look before one have that opinion.
God divorced Isreal. Have you not read scripture? This is why we are now the bride of Christ and we are not Isreal. I understand the the law. I also understand why the law was given. I also understand that the NC is not the same as the OC. Therefore all my righteousness is in Him and not in any Law. This is why I am lead by the Spirit. For we read what the fruit of the Spirit is and against such there is no law.
 
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You took that out of context, that was speaking of the next life.
Actually we're to work till our dying breath for the Lords gospel.
This is the 'labor of love' that is common in the bible.
So we work our labor of love till we enter this 'sabbath'
actually no, I do not have to work at the law in order for myself to be justified. I rest in Christ who has attained salvation through His death and ressurection. In Him I have the fullness of life. Love is not a labor but a pleasure for me. Love endureth all things. But as far as working for righteousness and justification I am at total rest. For He is my righteousness..
 
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Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Ro 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


The last 6 commandments are right here in black and white preached by Paul. But i notice that the first 4 commandments are not covered.
 
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The last 6 commandments are right here in black and white preached by Paul. But i notice that the first 4 commandments are not covered.
How come :confused:
 
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Heres the whole chapter. Romans 13


1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
 
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No need to. I merely looked around for God's altar where you should be offering your Sabbath sacrifices. As you probably know, there is no altar now and you are quite incapable of making the requisite sacrifices to God.
Did the disciples and Paul make sacrifice on the Sabbath?
Was not Jesus the required Sacrifice?
Then what folly are you taking about?
Scripture require a christian to make sacrifices for Hebrews 8-10 is clear that Jesus is the sacrifice and High Priest.
Do you lie and steal and murder? The Sabbath is part of the same commandments I did not see sacrifices in there did you?
 
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The esoteric meaning not necessarily the outward form. The inner meaning of all the commandments is to love the Lord and love your neighbor. That's what Christians focus on. They 10 commandments are general guidelines that point people in the right direction as to how a loving person would act. We are not bound by the letter of the law though.

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thou shall not bear false witness. A great general rule. There can be times when Christian love demands that a person lies though. If you are hiding a person in your house from people who want to send them to a concentration camp and the gestapo asks you "do you have an unlawful person hiding in your attic?" love would demand that you say "no". It's always the spirit that matters not the letter.

Same with the sabbath. It doesn't mean you have to literally cease working on Saturday. For the Christian Christ is the sabbath. To partake of the Sabbath is to be in communion with Christ. That is the inner meaning.
Your bible seem to read different to mine.
 
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I see, so you're justified by something other than the atonement of the Lord, in this case, following the sabbath. You believe salvation voids out if one does not keep the sabbath.

See, I don't need to keep the sabbath to be saved. The Spirit never seemed to have a problem with it before anyways
You tried the spirit. not all is of God.
Have you taken s look at the comments on Rom. 2?
 
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So you believe that salvation then is in keeping the sabbath? I believe we have entered into His eternal rest where we cease from working and trust and rely upon the Lord. Meaning that the workings of the law will justify no man.
I have said over and over and you refuse to understand.

  1. Take a look at what Rom 2 is saying, I have posted some of it here.
  2. I have stated that salvation is in Christ.
  3. I have stated that we are save by grace through faith.
  4. I have stated that we keep the law because we are saved not to be saved. You do the same but you want to deny the 10 commandments because you know that you should not lie or steal or murder but the Sabbath is ugly before you and your friends. On no occasion has anyone who have told me that the law is abolish would agree to violating the 9 other rules. As much love and all the other reason put forward. IT IS STILL THE COMMANDMENTS LESS ONE.:doh:
 
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God divorced Isreal. Have you not read scripture? This is why we are now the bride of Christ and we are not Isreal. I understand the the law. I also understand why the law was given. I also understand that the NC is not the same as the OC. Therefore all my righteousness is in Him and not in any Law. This is why I am lead by the Spirit. For we read what the fruit of the Spirit is and against such there is no law.
But not His word that He gave to Israel. Why is it so hard to get what I am saying?
 
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But not His word that He gave to Israel. Why is it so hard to get what I am saying?
I guess because you don't get what I am saying. I am not justified in anyway by doing the law. My justification comes through Christ my savior. If I love then I would not even consider doing what the 10 tell me not too. For love does not act that way and I would not need a reminder to not do these things. With the sabbath I enter into rest in Him for I remember Him not in just a day. But in every waking moment. I rest in Him.
 
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I have said over and over and you refuse to understand.

  1. Take a look at what Rom 2 is saying, I have posted some of it here.
  2. I have stated that salvation is in Christ.
  3. I have stated that we are save by grace through faith.
  4. I have stated that we keep the law because we are saved not to be saved. You do the same but you want to deny the 10 commandments because you know that you should not lie or steal or murder but the Sabbath is ugly before you and your friends. On no occasion has anyone who have told me that the law is abolish would agree to violating the 9 other rules. As much love and all the other reason put forward. IT IS STILL THE COMMANDMENTS LESS ONE.:doh:
Then why did you state that the person who asked you the question about the sabbath will not see God?
 
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No need to. I merely looked around for God's altar where you should be offering your Sabbath sacrifices. As you probably know, there is no altar now and you are quite incapable of making the requisite sacrifices to God.

We do offer sacrifices today. Every day. And that Altar that we offer our sacrifices on is in HEAVEN. Please read the following carefully:

The prophet Isaiah foresaw the Sabbath reform in New Covenant age:

The work of Sabbath reform to be accomplished in the last days is foretold in the prophecy of Isaiah:

"(1) Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. (2) Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. (3) Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. (4) For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; (5) Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. (6) Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; (7) Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." Isaiah 56:1-7.​

These words apply in the Christian age, as shown by the context:

"(8 ) The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him."

Here is foreshadowed the gathering in of the Gentiles by the gospel. And upon those who then honor the Sabbath, a blessing is pronounced. Thus the obligation of the fourth commandment extends past the crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of Christ, to the time when His servants should preach to all nations the message of glad tidings.

There have been some who have tried to pervert this prophecy by declaring that the reason Isaiah 56 cannot be foretelling of Sabbath keeping in the New Covenant is because verse 7 states: "their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar." In other words, since Christians will not be sacrificing or presenting burnt offerings in the New Covenant, this "cannot mean that gentiles will be keeping the Sabbath in the New Covenant age" according to the argument.

However, this argument will prove hopelessly astray in light of the fact that, yes, Christians today are still to bring their offerings and sacrifices before God in the New Covenant age.

First off, there was no "gathering" of any gentiles or "outcasts" until the time of reformation when Jesus came as the Messiah and the disciples turned to the gentiles. See John 11:52; Matthew 3:9; Acts 13:46-48; Ephesians 2; 1 Peter 1:1; 2:9,10.

Second, verse 7 of the same chapter in Isaiah says that these Christians will be brought to "my holy mountain". Paul tells Christians who are living by faith that they "are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels." (Heb 12:22)

We also see how Isaiah 56:7 meets its antitype in the following New Testament passages:

“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.” (Romans 12:1)

“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” (Romans 6:6)

"Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2:5)

"And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices." (Mark 12:33)

"By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased." (Hebrews 13:15,16)

"And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour." (Ephesians 2:5)

"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Galatians 5:24)​

And concerning the sprinkling of blood we find:

"Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water." (Hebrews 10:22)​

We see this reality also being fulfilled in Hebrews 10 pertaining how the ceremonial services of burnt offerings and sacrifices were abolished, and replaced by spiritual sacrifices in Christ Jesus. Another good example might be that when we “die daily” (1 Cor 15:31), we are fulfilling the antitypical reality of these prophecies in Isaiah 56. We are presenting our bodies a living sacrifice before Christ our High Priest who intercedes before us, and crucifying our desires to sin. And this includes sacrificing our our desires to do as we please, or performing whatever duties we desire during those sacred hours for which God sanctified at creation, the Holy Sabbath day. May we not be deceived by thinking that this is a form of "works" or "legalism", or any form of "bondage". Physically keeping the Sabbath is NO different than the physical keeping of honoring your parents and not committing adultery. The Sabbath was meant to be a delight, because God KNEW we as humans needed this quality time with Him.

Let us not "wilfully" transgress that which we know to be right.

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26)​

Hebrews 10:26 perspeciously demonstrates that when we wilfully go out of our way to trample God's law, there remains no more sacrifice for sins. This means that Christ cannot mediate or atone for a sin that is not repented of and forsaken--it means He cannot atone for that which we choose to deny as sin!

Let us not choose to trample and chisel out one of God's divine and royal 10 commandments for which are engraved on the Heavenly tables in God's Temple!

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We see therefore that this Old Testament prophecy pointing to the New Covenant Age when the Gentiles will be keeping the Sabbath Holy from polluting it, is sure! The truth of the Sabbath message has been greatly spread and will continue to spread throughout the globe ever since the precious rays of light were discovered in the New World beginning with the grand awakening of the Blessed Hope in the 1830s and 40s, and we can see this prophecy fulfilling before our very eyes as many Christians feel convicted by the Holy Spirit to keep it Holy and proclaim its sacred truth more fully--as to what it REALLY means to keep the Sabbath! Not legalistically like the Jewish Pharisees in the faulty Old Covenant spirit which was based on works and poor promises, but in the New Covenant experience based on faith!

We are now to live in accord with the ORIGINAL and BETTER Testament in heaven for which Christ has made a "surety" of! (Hebrews 7:22). This IS the Tables of the Testimony in Heaven!!! Oh how I urge the reader from the bottom of my heart to take a hold of this sacred present-truth!

It's time to WAKE UP and quit making excuses to desecrate God's Holy Sabbath Day! Enough is enough!


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I guess because you don't get what I am saying. I am not justified in anyway by doing the law. My justification comes through Christ my savior. If I love then I would not even consider doing what the 10 tell me not too. For love does not act that way and I would not need a reminder to not do these things. With the sabbath I enter into rest in Him for I remember Him not in just a day. But in every waking moment. I rest in Him.
I am getting what you are saying and I don't agree but you are implying things that I did not say. We agree up to the point of the 10 commandments.
In other words the same path by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to Christ. Grace and Faith.
I maintain that with all that I will walk in righteousness before God and as Rom 2 states and as I have quoted earlier, the 10 commandments is part of that righteous walk.
 
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