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Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (2)

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So you never confessed that you break God's commandments? Just that you lie or what ever it maybe?
But why is it a sin if there is no law?
Imagine what would happen if everyone in the world could never lie.
Liar, liar, pants on fire :)

NKJV) Revelation 3:9 "Indeed I will make [those] of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie/yeudontai <5574> (5727).

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Strong's Number G5574 matches the Greek &#968;&#949;&#8059;&#948;&#959;&#956;&#945;&#953; (pseudomai), which occurs 13 times in 12 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0DA75eOltAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLIWVy9hEPs&feature=related
 
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question: if i were to never keep the sabbath though i believe correctly, what would happen to me?


For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Romans 14 has a lot to say about this subject. Paul is more qualified than i am to answer this question.
 
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Imagine what would happen if everyone in the world could never lie.
Liar, liar, pants on fire :)

NKJV) Revelation 3:9 "Indeed I will make [those] of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie/yeudontai <5574> (5727).

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G5574 matches the Greek &#968;&#949;&#8059;&#948;&#959;&#956;&#945;&#953; (pseudomai), which occurs 13 times in 12 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0DA75eOltA
Now that I think about it, this verse would go better with that movie :D :thumbsup:

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3544 matches the Greek &#957;&#959;&#956;&#953;&#954;&#8057;&#962; (nomikos), which occurs 9 times in 9 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Young) Luke 11:52 `Woe to ye, the lawyers, because ye took away the key of the knowledge; yourselves ye did not enter; and those coming in, ye did hinder.'
 
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For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Romans 14 has a lot to say about this subject. Paul is more qualified than i am to answer this question.
so i do not then?

so whats the big idea about this thread
 
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so i do not then?

so whats the big idea about this thread


Jesus said it was lawful to do good on the sabbath and if we do that we cant go wrong. Romans 14 also has wisdom for us. This is all i know about the Sabbath.

The big idea for the thread is whether we should obey the 10 Cs or not. We just discussed 1 of them but 9 of them still remain. Some say we are bound to all the law if we follow 9 of the OC commandments and therefor bound to no law at all. Others think that we should follow at least 9 0f the 10 Cs.
 
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Jesus said it was lawful to do good on the sabbath and if we do that we cant go wrong. Romans 14 also has wisdom for us. This is all i know about the Sabbath.

The big idea for the thread is whether we should obey the 10 Cs or not. We just discussed 1 of them but 9 of them still remain. Some say we are bound to all the law if we follow 9 of the OC commandments and therefor bound to no law at all. Others think that we should follow at least 9 0f the 10 Cs.
does it matter?
if we love one another there is no need for the law
 
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does it matter?
if we love one another there is no need for the law
Which begs the question what is meant by "the Law".....and around and round we go.........:)

http://www.christianforums.com/t7549230-2/#post57234334
Are you under THE law, Grace or both (2)

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

"The-Law" occurs 48 times in 47 verses.

First time used [the article for the word "the" is joined to the root word in the hebrew]. I will study on this more
 
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does it matter?
if we love one another there is no need for the law

The bible is our guide without it we know nothing. The Holy Spirit uses the word to guide us. The law of the 10 commandments fall under the same that Jesus taught us. Jesus fulfilled the law, meaning He is the end of the law. But how can i have the end of the law without first having the beginning of it? But Even after that end, the law is not void, its put inside our hearts. Does my Heart say that i can disobey the commandments of God that are good for me to obey? I see why i don't need to make burnt offerings or get Circumcised but the law that says thou shall not covet, steal, murder, commit adultery, put other Gods before Him or use His name in vein, dishonor thy mother and father or bear false witness, this law is in my heart and my heart agrees with the 10 commandments. My heart says that without any law there is only lawlessness and self righteousness, every man being good in His own sight. Without law there is no need for Christ who fullfills it, and without Christ there is no fulfillment of the Law which brings eternal salvation.
 
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why did paul speak as if there was two groups of people,
those in the law and those not in the law?
how does one get outside of the law?
or how does one get inside the law?
Why did Paul say that there is neither Jew nor Greek? That we are all one.
Why Paul say that the law is Holy Just and Good?
Why Paul and James say that we will be Judge by the Law?
Why Paul say walk in righteousness is to live by the law?
 
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does it matter?
if we love one another there is no need for the law
As I remember it, the 10 commandments came in Exodus, love you neightbor as yourself came in Leviticus, love God with all your heart came in Deut. Seem like the 10 commandments came first and God did it so. Take it up with Him. Tell Him you don't like it and you will do as you please, and you demand a free pass into heaven because you believe just like the devils. Oops not they going.
18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
 
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question: if i were to never keep the sabbath though i believe correctly, what would happen to me?
You will not see God. For to believe correctly is the believe the 10 commandments is still valid including the Sabbath. Therefore to know and not do is sin.
To refuse to believe the truth as the Jew also did is a sin too. So it is omportant to do and to know the truth.
 
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You will not see God. For to believe correctly is the believe the 10 commandments is still valid including the Sabbath. Therefore to know and not do is sin.
To refuse to believe the truth as the Jew also did is a sin too. So it is omportant to do and to know the truth.

Will you see God, in light of the fact that you have not yet kept the Sabbath according to the instructions spelled out in the Pentateuch?
 
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You will not see God. For to believe correctly is the believe the 10 commandments is still valid including the Sabbath. Therefore to know and not do is sin.
To refuse to believe the truth as the Jew also did is a sin too. So it is omportant to do and to know the truth.
Oh my.....I guess I will just rest today and put some pork ribs on the barbe and drink some good ole Lone Star beer :thumbsup:

Hebrews 4:3 For we are entering into the Rest, the ones-believing. According to as He declared, 'As I have sware in My wrath, if they shall be entering into the rest of Me'
and-those the works from down-casting of world being become.
[Psalm 95:11/Revelation 14:11]

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.
And not they are having rest day and night
[Matt 11:29/Hebrew 4:3]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7507793-2/#post55957506
No rest for the wicked

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Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
 
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Oh my.....I guess I will just rest today and put some pork ribs on the barbe and drink some good ole Lone Star beer :thumbsup:
Ooops......Just found out I can't fire up my barbeque grill on the Sabbath..ahh well.. :sorry:

BASIC SABBATH RULES

8. Lighting a fire on the Sabbath is not permitted.

This is understood to mean doing anything on Sabbath which directly or indirectly lights a fire, such as striking a match, lighting a gas stove, adding wood to a fire, changing a thermostat so as to start a gas or oil furnace, etc. Using (turning on and off) electricity or anything electronic is included in this rule.
Exodus 35:3
Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
 
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Will you see God, in light of the fact that you have not yet kept the Sabbath according to the instructions spelled out in the Pentateuch?
How do you know that? you looked at my record in heaven?
 
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The esoteric meaning not necessarily the outward form. The inner meaning of all the commandments is to love the Lord and love your neighbor. That's what Christians focus on. They 10 commandments are general guidelines that point people in the right direction as to how a loving person would act. We are not bound by the letter of the law though.

Examples.

thou shall not bear false witness. A great general rule. There can be times when Christian love demands that a person lies though. If you are hiding a person in your house from people who want to send them to a concentration camp and the gestapo asks you "do you have an unlawful person hiding in your attic?" love would demand that you say "no". It's always the spirit that matters not the letter.

Same with the sabbath. It doesn't mean you have to literally cease working on Saturday. For the Christian Christ is the sabbath. To partake of the Sabbath is to be in communion with Christ. That is the inner meaning.
 
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The esoteric meaning not necessarily the outward form. The inner meaning of all the commandments is to love the Lord and love your neighbor. That's what Christians focus on. They 10 commandments are general guidelines that point people in the right direction as to how a loving person would act. We are not bound by the letter of the law though.

Examples.

thou shall not bear false witness. A great general rule. There can be times when Christian love demands that a person lies though. If you are hiding a person in your house from people who want to send them to a concentration camp and the gestapo asks you "do you have an unlawful person hiding in your attic?" love would demand that you say "no". It's always the spirit that matters not the letter.

Same with the sabbath. It doesn't mean you have to literally cease working on Saturday. For the Christian Christ is the sabbath. To partake of the Sabbath is to be in communion with Christ. That is the inner meaning.

Excellent post. Dietrich Bonhoeffer and many other brave Christians had the same attitude. Some, such as him, paid with their lives, and other suffered torture and abuse. Of such, the world is not worthy (Hebrews 10:38).
 
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