What is Sin?

[juvenissun]

This happened before humanity was born.
(This is Christian Mythology, not Norse Mythology.)

Of course it is Christian. Any other religion has a figure called satan?

What (in the Bible) does it say about the time it happened? Isaiah? I read that satan has not sin yet.

 

[david_x]

Of course it is Christian. Any other religion has a figure called satan?

What (in the Bible) does it say about the time it happened? Isaiah? I read that satan has not sin yet.

I don't know that it says it in the Bible, it assumes it in the bible... The actual story is old Jewish mythology, and there are some Christian books like Dante's Divine Comedy.

 

[juvenissun]

So, Only Christians sin. Non-Christians do not sin. Only English speaking people sin. People use other language do not sin. And sin may or may not be wrong and is not evil.

Can you still criticize anyone on anything? I guess that leaves the only thing which is real and acceptable is the "force". That is what Communist said and that is what you people asked for.

 

[david_x]

So, Only Christians sin. Non-Christians do not sin. Only English speaking people sin. People use other language do not sin. And sin may or may not be wrong and is not evil.

Can you still criticize anyone on anything? I guess that leaves the only thing which is real and acceptable is the "force". That is what Communist said and that is what you people asked for.

Who are you responding to?

 

[quatona]

Can you still criticize anyone on anything?

Sure, why not?

 

[ToHoldNothing]

Of course it is Christian. Any other religion has a figure called satan?

How about both Islam in the transliteration of Shaitan and Judaism where Christians get the original formulation of Satan in Hebrew?

Islam doesn't completely agree with Christianity about Satan's nature, considering he's a Jinn there, not an angel, since Islam doesn't believe angels can fall by nature, if I'm right.

And in Judaism Satan isn't a bad person, particularly in the prominent examples like Job. Moreso, he's considered the prosecuting attorney in God's court moreso. This admittedly changed somewhat, but most Jews seem to still believe this from what I know.

 

[bricklayer]

Sin is that which is contrary to God's nature.

 

[ToHoldNothing]

But how can we know if everything we do is contrary to God's nature if certain things we do are, dare I say, naturally in line with God's nature? Are we sinning against God if we, say, do something of which we have no indication that it is against God's nature in the so called revelation of its nature, the Bible? Seems like there's a lot of filling in of the lines.

 

[david_x]

But how can we know if everything we do is contrary to God's nature if certain things we do are, dare I say, naturally in line with God's nature? Are we sinning against God if we, say, do something of which we have no indication that it is against God's nature in the so called revelation of its nature, the Bible? Seems like there's a lot of filling in of the lines.

Anything that is in line with "God's nature" would not be sinning.

 

[ToHoldNothing]

So the only way to really never sin at all is to be God...that's fair...(sarcasm)

 

[juvenissun]

So the only way to really never sin at all is to be God...that's fair...(sarcasm)

You really get the point this time.

Is that what a God should be? If God says no, then there should be no exception, no matter in what format and to what degree.

For example: God says: love your neighbors.

 

[Upisoft]

Anything that is in line with "God's nature" would not be sinning.

You mean like exterminating every other member of your society? Like what God did to other gods?

Makes perfect sense.

 

[david_x]

You mean like exterminating every other member of your society? Like what God did to other gods?

Makes perfect sense.

Lol, God did not kill any other 'god'. Where in the world did you hear that?

 

[david_x]

So the only way to really never sin at all is to be God...that's fair...(sarcasm)

No actually, the way God originally made humans they would never go outside of what is right. It is only because of the fall that WE make the world unfair.

 

[ToHoldNothing]

You really get the point this time.

Is that what a God should be? If God says no, then there should be no exception, no matter in what format and to what degree.

For example: God says: love your neighbors.

Not every rule your god proposes is necessarily so practical or beneficial. I see no reason to be punished for not believing in a god I feel has no relevance to human existence, nor has any coherent definitions that don't imply contradiction

 

[ToHoldNothing]

No actually, the way God originally made humans they would never go outside of what is right. It is only because of the fall that WE make the world unfair.

Problem with that is if free will in the truest sense is the capacity to go outside of what is right, as you put it, then it appears we weren't created with free will in mind to begin with, or if we were, it was a neutered form that had no real significance, since you'd only be able to choose from a limited set of possibilities based on the notions of God's idea of what is right.

We didn't willfully make the world 'unfair' by this alleged fall, because technically we couldn't have willed it. No more than a child wills for the house to burn down because they play with matches. The world is unfair by perspective, not in and of itself. The world in and of itself is benign.

 

[Upisoft]

Lol, God did not kill any other 'god'. Where in the world did you hear that?

Go ask AV.

Anyway, if she is alone she needs no morality. The whole purpose of the morality is to be able to get along with beings who are like yourself.

 

[drich0150]

I am sure this have been discussed time and again, endlessly and interminably, and so can anyone direct me to some good thread on the topic, or if not a good short one-sentence answer if you have one. THANKS!

Sin is anything not inthe Expressed Will of God.

Evil is a malicious intent to commit sin.

Not all sin is Evil, but all Evil is sin.

The wages of all sin (Evil or not) Is eternal death.

 

[juvenissun]

Not every rule your god proposes is necessarily so practical or beneficial. I see no reason to be punished for not believing in a god I feel has no relevance to human existence, nor has any coherent definitions that don't imply contradiction

Which rule is in your mind?

Why do you think the Christian God has no relevance to human existence?

I don't agree on both of what you said.

 

[juvenissun]

Go ask AV.

Anyway, if she is alone she needs no morality. The whole purpose of the morality is to be able to get along with beings who are like yourself.

So American morality is different from Egyptian morality?