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I am sure this have been discussed time and again, endlessly and interminably, and so can anyone direct me to some good thread on the topic, or if not a good short one-sentence answer if you have one. THANKS! 
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
CinNaMin46
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Sin is an action that is judged to be bad.
Actions themselves are not inherently good or bad, they are just actions. Things that happened. Depending on your belief system, you can judge whether the action was good/bad/had any meaning at all.
Everyone: "I just scratched my neck. Was that good or bad?" Neither.
Hindus: "I just ate a cow. Was that good or bad?" Bad.
Christians: "I just slept with my boyfriend. Was that good or bad?" Bad.
Buddhists: "I just slept with my boyfriend. Was that good or bad?" Neither.
Neopagans: "I just slept with my boyfriend. Was that good or bad?" Good.
Everyone: "I just stabbed my neighbor. Was that good or bad?" Bad.
Actions themselves are not inherently good or bad, they are just actions. Things that happened. Depending on your belief system, you can judge whether the action was good/bad/had any meaning at all.
Everyone: "I just scratched my neck. Was that good or bad?" Neither.
Hindus: "I just ate a cow. Was that good or bad?" Bad.
Christians: "I just slept with my boyfriend. Was that good or bad?" Bad.
Buddhists: "I just slept with my boyfriend. Was that good or bad?" Neither.
Neopagans: "I just slept with my boyfriend. Was that good or bad?" Good.
Everyone: "I just stabbed my neighbor. Was that good or bad?" Bad.
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Of course, if a soldier stabs his neighbor, some folks are going to say he did good, and some are going to say he did bad. Indeed, you are seldom, if ever, going to get "everyone" to agree on anything.
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david_x
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I am sure this have been discussed time and again, endlessly and interminably, and so can anyone direct me to some good thread on the topic, or if not a good short one-sentence answer if you have one. THANKS!
Sin is disobedience to God, reasonable (harming self or others) or partaking of the forbidden fruit (the line drawn in the sand that does not make sense).
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juvenissun
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I think Christians know what sin is. But,
Here is a hard one for you:
Has satan sinned?
If your answer is yes, then give an example of his sin.
Here is a hard one for you:
Has satan sinned?
If your answer is yes, then give an example of his sin.
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juvenissun
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juvenissun
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ToHoldNothing
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From what I understand of Buddhist ethics, they don't deny morality, which would be amoralism in some sense. Buddhists would say more likely that they don't know if it's good or bad, since there isn't enough qualification about the intent, which is key to determining good or evil in any sense in Buddhist ethics.
Sleeping with your significant other in an intimate sense and increasing your committment to each other, regardless of if you're married (not advocating premarital sex, btw, disclaimer) or not, would be judged as good, since your intent is basically good, not intending harm to the person.
But if you're just sleeping with your significant other to sate your cravings for sexual pleasure without regard to that person as an end in themselves, then yes, that would be bad because you have no regard for that person as a person, and view them as just a vehicle to advance your own selfish desires without considering theirs as well.
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juvenissun
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Good and bad, yes, good and evil, no. There isn't so much a judgment of right or wrong in any absolute sense, since ethics apart from a supernatural context tend to be more situational and/or practical, which includes virtue ethics, deontology and consequentialism for just a few samplings of ethical theory. Though I am reminded of Joseph Fletcher's situational ethics that he formulated as a Christian which makes ethics situational in that you consider how you can apply the highest ideal of love to the context instead of trying to analyze so many conflicting ideas that try to usurp the primacy of love that was in Jesus' ethical teachings, even based on the mitzvot/commandments.
To say that we can't judge something as good or bad apart from saying that they are against some absolute or absolutely objective standard is ridiculous. I can judge something as bad from a perspective, not to mention a wealth of experience of similar actions being perpetrated across a wide array of perspectives. Something can be good in one situation and bad in another, but this is not to say that one is alleging that anything is good or bad regardless of the situation. In fact, that would be missing the point of situational ethics.
There are general principles, but we have to note that the principles are flexible enough to apply to a variety of situations and contexts, so that our ethics are consistent even though they would appear inconsistent to one that doesn't understand that rigid principles only stunt the growth of ethical understanding instead of expanding their horizons as a flexible but firm idea of love and respect for humanity can encourage a person to be good even apart from any god.
To say that we can't judge something as good or bad apart from saying that they are against some absolute or absolutely objective standard is ridiculous. I can judge something as bad from a perspective, not to mention a wealth of experience of similar actions being perpetrated across a wide array of perspectives. Something can be good in one situation and bad in another, but this is not to say that one is alleging that anything is good or bad regardless of the situation. In fact, that would be missing the point of situational ethics.
There are general principles, but we have to note that the principles are flexible enough to apply to a variety of situations and contexts, so that our ethics are consistent even though they would appear inconsistent to one that doesn't understand that rigid principles only stunt the growth of ethical understanding instead of expanding their horizons as a flexible but firm idea of love and respect for humanity can encourage a person to be good even apart from any god.
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.Iona.
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She might sat it was wrong that someone made a mistake, or they might not comment on it at all- as there are 'sins' in Christianity that all everyone would agree or wrong or bad.
It doesn't really matter what they'd call it, it remains that the idea if sin is a religious concept. There is the element of right and wrong without religion, but that tends to be based more on law and personal morals, whereas the definition of sin comes from god.
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juvenissun
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So, could we call bad thing as sin?
Where does the word sin come from?
How does, for example, Chinese call sin?
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The word 'sin' has a lot more to it, than 'mistake' or 'error'. Probably due to the religious overtones. I wouldn't call all bad things as sin, no.
Sin to me is a Christian word. Non Christians will not see what Christians see as sin in the same way. You can call it whatever you want; the difference doesn't really lie in the name.
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)No, not necessarily.
They might simply mean that I was mistaken about the results and consequences (which in itself is certainly a bad thing), but they don´t say anything about the intended or the factual results and consequences being good or bad.
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