Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[from scratch]

If not the written word then we are left without a guide. I say you say. God is not an author of confusion. His word is sure. Our bending of that word is a problem. God power is not limited and He has made sure that the truth is there for everyone to know it.

I thought that is what the Spirit does. Gal 5

 

[from scratch]

Unbelieveable!!

This thread is a sign of the times we live in.

The question is a contradiction in itself!

'Do Christians keep the 10 commandment'
I can't believe I reading this!

So i'll answer very straight forward,

YES! They are COMMANDS! Not requests!
God bless you.

And to whom are those commands given? Ex 20, Deut 5, Ps 147.

 

[Lionroot]

Why on earth I would wish to continue debating it’s finer points is beyond me at this point; makes as much sense as arguing over the Avesta, the Tattvarthasutra, or the Bhagavad Gita.

Given that my newfound perspective on the do-or-die importance of certain archaic writings (and don’t even get me started on the translators) ...

What low view of Scripture? Please inform us.

Did that clear it up? Or will you tell me you just do not see it?

Isaiah 4:1

 

[Elder 111]

I thought that is what the Spirit does. Gal 5

Luke 16:30-31



30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Jesus used Scripture and did not say the Holy Spirit told me. The scriptures were Given by the Holy Spirit. Do you think that God would come to every Christian to tell them all that He has in the bible already? Why?




Luke 24:43-45



43And he took it, and did eat before them.
44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

 

[from scratch]

Luke 16:30-31



30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Jesus used Scripture and did not say the Holy Spirit told me. The scriptures were Given by the Holy Spirit. Do you think that God would come to every Christian to tell them all that He has in the bible already? Why?

Luke 24:43-45

43And he took it, and did eat before them.
44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Sorry I don't understand the commentary.

 

[Kristos]

What does that mean?
That I can love God and my neighbor but I can steal, covet and sneak through the window and sleep with His wife?

that's a strange kind of love...

 

[from scratch]

Did that clear it up?

Nope, sorry.

Or will you tell me you just do not see it?

Please explain what I don't see. I asked what low view of Sctipture. Are the Hebrew words some low view of Scripture?

 

[from scratch]

that's a strange kind of love...

Where oh where is DR Strangelove?

 

[Elder 111]

Sorry I don't understand the commentary.

It was to show that the scripture is what Jesus referred to. So likewise we should. God is not going to sent His Spirit to reveal something that He has already revealed in His word. The point is made that If the did not listen to Moses and the prophets then they will not hear.

 

[Elder 111]

that's a strange kind of love...

So love is revealed and shown by us in keeping God's commandments.

 

[from scratch]

It was to show that the scripture is what Jesus referred to. So likewise we should. God is not going to sent His Spirit to reveal something that He has already revealed in His word. The point is made that If the did not listen to Moses and the prophets then they will not hear.

I use plenty Scripture, unless one doesn't think Paul's writings are Scripture like Peter does in II Peter 3:16.

 

[Lysimachus]

From scratch, and everyone else.

Can someone please tell me what's so hard about keeping the Ten Commandments?

I want to know exactly what is inside your mind. Why don't you want to keep the 4th commandment?

Why is it so hard?

As for me, keeping the 4th commandment is a HUGE stress reliever!!! I'm not exactly sure why this commandment wouldn't be appealing to you!

It's a commandment that has to do with REST, not WORKS!

 

[from scratch]

From scratch, and everyone else.

Can someone please tell me what's so hard about keeping the Ten Commandments?

Beats me. I wonder how come nobody has ever accomplished this task. I also wonder why folks ask others to keep the commandments when they wilfully violate them at least every week for the sake of convience and condemn those providing such services to eternal damnation. Doesn't Romans 2 apply any more? Oh yeah that is Paul's uninspired writings. Sorry. Are Psalms, Isaiah and the Pentateuch in the same catagory?

I want to know exactly what is inside your mind. Why don't you want to keep the 4th commandment?

Haven't you read Jeremiah 31:31-34 or Gal 5:4 yet? They have been quoted and referred to enought one should see them in their sleep. Why are these Scriptures and a host of others summarily dismissed?

Why is it so hard?

As for me, keeping the 4th commandment is a HUGE stress reliever!!! I'm not exactly sure why this commandment wouldn't be appealing to you!

It's a commandment that has to do with REST, not WORKS!

Let me ask if resting on Sunday would have the same effect on the body? Why would it not?

What is the real issue here? Isn't it keeping the law that has been superceded and no longer in force?

What is the justification for keeping the law? Who is obligated to keep the law? Based on what?

 

[RisingSpirit]

Can someone please tell me what's so hard about keeping the Ten Commandments?

Whats so hard about realizing that you broke one commandment? Has the law convicted you yet or will it?
It's easy to repent but first you must not make it so hard as you say.
It's harder to fight for something you already broken. You can try to glue the broken vase back together but it ain't go'in to look good.

Face it! Sinning IS bad.

 

[Elder 111]

Beats me. I wonder how come nobody has ever accomplished this task. I also wonder why folks ask others to keep the commandments when they wilfully violate them at least every week for the sake of convience and condemn those providing such services to eternal damnation. Doesn't Romans 2 apply any more? Oh yeah that is Paul's uninspired writings. Sorry. Are Psalms, Isaiah and the Pentateuch in the same catagory? Haven't you read Jeremiah 31:31-34 or Gal 5:4 yet? They have been quoted and referred to enought one should see them in their sleep. Why are these Scriptures and a host of others summarily dismissed?Let me ask if resting on Sunday would have the same effect on the body? Why would it not?

What is the real issue here? Isn't it keeping the law that has been superceded and no longer in force?

Here is the ten commandments. What is here that has been superseded,

What is the justification for keeping the law? Who is obligated to keep the law? Based on what?

Here is the ten commandments. What is there in them that is superseded and no longer in force? Which one of these that we as Christian no longer needed to observe?
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15Thou shalt not steal.
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

 

[from scratch]

Here is the ten commandments. What is there in them that is superseded and no longer in force? Which one of these that we as Christian no longer needed to observe?
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15Thou shalt not steal.
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Jer 31:31-34 and Jesus' own testimony in Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20 should be good enought to prove supercession. But maybe Hebrews 8:6-13 and 10:9 would fit the bill very well. Do you need them quoted again or will you look them up and read them? They have been quoted and discussed plenty.

 

[Rick Otto]

There's nothing wrong in believing it's a good idea to keep the ten commandments.
The thing that's wrong with believing your obedience saves you, is in believing you are able to, or even remotely interested in doing so, on your own motivation.
It is by the grace of God alone that we have faith, not by our own will, lest mercy be not mercy and salvation become our just reward instead of God's mercy.

 

[Pythons]

From scratch, and everyone else.

Can someone please tell me what's so hard about keeping the Ten Commandments?

I want to know exactly what is inside your mind. Why don't you want to keep the 4th commandment?

Why is it so hard?

As for me, keeping the 4th commandment is a HUGE stress reliever!!! I'm not exactly sure why this commandment wouldn't be appealing to you!

It's a commandment that has to do with REST, not WORKS!

You can't keep them Lysimachus, we should try but think about the reality of these things for a minute....
...Jesus said if you look at a woman with lust you hAVE broken the commandment dealing with that.
...The same goes for wishing something was yours that belongs to someone else.
...The same goes for "thinking" ill of your parents.
...Or not telling the absolute truth.


The Sabbath commandment has two aspects to it - one moral the other ceremonial....
...The internal desire a man has to dedicate some time for the practice of religion is MORAL.
...The time to do THAT is ceremonial and given that man is not commanded by nature.
...To observe Saturday therefore we know that Saturday is NOT moral.

Adventist groups fail to understand the Scriptures in this case in a most gross way....
...A simple reading of Deut 5 destroys the binding Sabbath premise.


The best I know of to illustrate a typical Adventist mentality whereas the Sabbath goes....
...Is to quote Ellen G White where she boldly states her "RIGHT" to enter into heaven.

We all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of glass, when Jesus brought along the crowns and with his own right hand placed them on our heads.v He gave us harps of gold and palms of victory.w Here on the sea of glass the 144,000 stood in a perfect square. Some of them had very bright crowns, others not so bright. Some crowns appeared heavy with stars, while others had but few. All were perfectly satisfied with their crowns. And they were all clothed with a glorious white mantle from their shoulders to their feet.x Angels were all about us as we marched over the sea of glass to the gate of the City. Jesus raised his mighty glorious arm, laid hold of the gate and swung it back on its golden hinges, and said to us, You have washed your robes in my blood, stood stiffly for my truth, enter in.y We all marched in and felt we had a perfect right in the City. Here we saw the tree of life, and the throne of God. Out of the throne came a pure river of water, and on either side of the river was the tree of life.z On one side of the river was a trunk of a tree and a trunk on the other side of the river, both of pure transparent gold.

Ellen believed that her and the other Adventists "had a perfect right" to be there....
...Simply because they believed keeping the commandments earned em that right.
...The problem is that statement in and off itself demonstrates Ellen missed the whole point of the Gospel.
...By 1000 miles!

No one has a "right" to go to heaven that's not Divine in the first place - it's by God's many Graces and our co-operation with those Graces that we are given a pass.

 

[Rick Otto]

No one has a "right" to go to heaven that's not Divine in the first place

Amen!

- it's by God's many Graces and our co-operation with those Graces that we are given a pass.

It's by God's grace alone. Our co-operation is just the expression of our already saving faith. Works gain you rewards IN heaven, not entrance therein.

 

[sunlover1]

From scratch, and everyone else.

Can someone please tell me what's so hard about keeping the Ten Commandments?

According to Scripture?
The strength of is IS the law.

I want to know exactly what is inside your mind. Why don't you want to keep the 4th commandment?

Because God has more for me than rule keeping. He had much more
in mind when He created us!! Ahhh, reminiscing lol.

As for me, keeping the 4th commandment is a HUGE stress reliever!!! I'm not exactly sure why this commandment wouldn't be appealing to you!

Because it PALES in comparison to 24/7 rest.

It's a commandment that has to do with REST, not WORKS!

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I know that's how you see it.