Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[Elder 111]

The fact that Paul went to synagogues on sabbaths does not prove he consciously kept the sabbath law any more than his going to the feasts in Jerusalem proves he believed himself bound to the laws of the feasts. He felt bound to none of these things. He was free in Christ. Yet he went as a soul winner to witness to his kinsmen of the freedom in Christ which he himself enjoyed

Interesting, but you have him asking that money be put aside on the first day of the week once and run with it as the day of worship he supported.
He met with the gentles by themselves on Sabbath too. Acts 16
12And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
13And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Acts 13,15 and 16 are repleted with Sabbath meetings by Paul and you are willing to deny that he kept the Sabbath, but one Sunday, not stating that it was in church but asking that money be put aside, does it for you. Amazing, absolutely amazing.

 

[Frogster]

Yes it will. For all who break God's commandments and teach men so will die the second dead. There is salvation in Christ, but not for those who deny His commandments and deny Mat 5:18-19. His very words not Your or mine. Paul would certainly not say opposite to what Jesus said. Rom 7
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
How was that which is Holy, Just, Good and spiritual abolished? Explain. how can we who are to live by the Spirit not have that which is spiritual, namely the law? Explain.

No offense, but the words in red are prooftexting, on a whole, he died to that very law, released from what bound him, not very flattering is it, to say bound? That very law also aroused sin, best to go by the whole.,

Thanks rib-it.

 

[Frogster]

OR...perhaps Jesus ment what he said, and God's laws never passes away. Just a thought.God's word just might be eternal. Just maybe...

Is this his word, written after Christ took sin and law to the cross?

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,

 

[Frogster]

Not in disobedience but in obedience.
25For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

Wow..you do realize that paul was showing the hypocrisy of all, for 3 chapters of Romans don't you?

He was just using that, to show the jews they did not keep the law they boasted in.

17 But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast in God

Theeeeen we see..


It was not about the law making one right, was it?


29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.

You gotta go by context, you can't just pluck those verses out, to prove a point, that goes against the whole context of the first 3 chapters.


Conclusion. Context..


3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

 

[sheina]

Interesting, but you have him asking that money be put aside on the first day of the week once and run with it as the day of worship he supported.
He met with the gentles by themselves on Sabbath too. Acts 16
12And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
13And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Acts 13,15 and 16 are repleted with Sabbath meetings by Paul and you are willing to deny that he kept the Sabbath, but one Sunday, not stating that it was in church but asking that money be put aside, does it for you. Amazing, absolutely amazing.

No matter how much you "prooftext", you will never make Paul a "law keeper".

 

[Frogster]

Interesting, but you have him asking that money be put aside on the first day of the week once and run with it as the day of worship he supported.
He met with the gentles by themselves on Sabbath too. Acts 16
12And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
13And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Acts 13,15 and 16 are repleted with Sabbath meetings by Paul and you are willing to deny that he kept the Sabbath, but one Sunday, not stating that it was in church but asking that money be put aside, does it for you. Amazing, absolutely amazing.

It has been explained, they were not converts to judiasm, are you saying the gentiles did not cook on the Sabbath, or work, lest they be stoned?



Exodus 35:3
You shall kindle no fire in all your dwelling places on the Sabbath day.”


While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. 34 They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. 35 And the LORD said to Moses, “The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses.

 

[Frogster]

No matter how much you "prooftext", you will never make Paul a "law keeper".

Exactly...The gospel is not law.

 

[sheina]

Exactly...The gospel is not law.

Paul preached the Gospel ...it was his custom to go to the synagogue and preach the Gospel (not the law of Moses) to the Jew first (Romans 1:16) and to those God-fearers (Gentiles) who were also present.

 

[Frogster]

This of the Jews nor the synagogue yet ii is on Sabbath. Why?
Acts 16:12-14 (King James Version)


12And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
13And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
14And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

Did Paul preach law? Circumcision meant conversion, which would mean sabby, Gal 5:3. Notice how the law, circumcision, is not the cross.

5;11 But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed.

 

[Frogster]

Paul preached the Gospel ...it was his custom to go to the synagogue and preach the Gospel (not the law of Moses) to the Jew first (Romans 1:16) and to those God-fearers (Gentiles) who were also present.

I hear ya! They wouldn't have stoned paul, and beaten him, if he preached law. He even said, he was persecuted for not preaching ,in 5:11.

 

[Elder 111]

No offense, but the words in red are prooftexting, on a whole, he died to that very law, released from what bound him, not very flattering is it, to say bound? That very law also aroused sin, best to go by the whole.,

Thanks rib-it.

That is absolutely ridiculous, it is in context and I did not present the verse by itself as you do yours.
To do otherwise would not suit you anyway, even if God is glorified.
Reminds me of Jews with Jesus. John 18: 13And led him away to Annas first; for he was father in law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year. 14Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.

It was more important to reject and kill Jesus than to accept the truth. Wise men came from the East and knew that Jesus was born but God own people did not notice. Why we as God's people allow satan to blind us so? There will be a point we will reach, Just like the Jews, that if Jesus stands in front of us and speak His word we will reject them. Some of us have gotten there already. The truth as plain as it can be will never be accepted.

 

[Elder 111]

No matter how much you "prooftext", you will never make Paul a "law keeper".

He is a hypocrite then! Going to the synagogues so many time and meeting with the gentles so many times in and out of the synagogues on the Sabbath, and then say don't keep sabbath? You realize that in the same passages it says "as his custom was" , he was doing it all the time. How can he be saying one thing doing another all the time? Hypocrite!!!! Or you are denying the truth. oops.
Better to make Paul a hypocrite. But that would make you unwise in listing to him.
We have to consider burning the bible. Because

1. We don't want to accept what it says. Or
2. It contradicts itself.

It needs to fall inline or we need to. That ain't changing for shore, God's word is forever.
By the way, how come using 3 chapters could be prooftexting?

 

[Elder 111]

It has been explained, they were not converts to judiasm, are you saying the gentiles did not cook on the Sabbath, or work, lest they be stoned?



Exodus 35:3
You shall kindle no fire in all your dwelling places on the Sabbath day.”


While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. 34 They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. 35 And the LORD said to Moses, “The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses.

And all who break God's 10 commandments will suffer death. The second and eternal death. You have a problem that, take it up with God.

 

[Elder 111]

Paul preached the Gospel ...it was his custom to go to the synagogue and preach the Gospel (not the law of Moses) to the Jew first (Romans 1:16) and to those God-fearers (Gentiles) who were also present.

Paul 's commission was to the gentle. Is that not so? By the way You have any of those sermons of Paul's on tape. I only have the bible and it don't tell me so.

 

[Elder 111]

Did Paul preach law? Circumcision meant conversion, which would mean sabby, Gal 5:3. Notice how the law, circumcision, is not the cross.

5;11 But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed.

Where is circumcision in the ten Commandments? But of course you don't separate the laws. So that Paul does not support circumcision means he can go to church on Sabbaths but mean that circumcision is part of the Sabbath that he kept but we should not. It maybe a little side stepping but you can make it.

 

[sheina]

Paul 's commission was to the gentle. Is that not so? By the way You have any of those sermons of Paul's on tape. I only have the bible and it don't tell me so.

My Bible states that it was Paul's custom to go to "the Jew first". (Romans 1:16) Paul's burden after conversion was to preach Christ. He was burdened for his own people, the Jews. So he went where the Jews were to preach Christ to them.

Acts 13:5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.

Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. (Notice, Paul did not do the "reading of the law and the prophets")

Acts 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. (Paul preached the Gospel, not the law)

Acts 17:15 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Acts 17:4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Acts 18:5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

 

[Lionroot]

OR... perhaps Jesus meant what He said, just not in the way you have chosen to interpret it.

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Wow.

I hope you see how you have added to his words to arrive at your interpretation. I suppose it was necessary to make what he said to fit your a priori.

Revelation 3:3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

 

[from scratch]

That is absolutely ridiculous, it is in context and I did not present the verse by itself as you do yours.
To do otherwise would not suit you anyway, even if God is glorified.
Reminds me of Jews with Jesus. John 18: 13And led him away to Annas first; for he was father in law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year. 14Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.

It was more important to reject and kill Jesus than to accept the truth. Wise men came from the East and knew that Jesus was born but God own people did not notice. Why we as God's people allow satan to blind us so? There will be a point we will reach, Just like the Jews, that if Jesus stands in front of us and speak His word we will reject them. Some of us have gotten there already. The truth as plain as it can be will never be accepted.

It seems to me that you think Frogster is confessing that the law isn't good and holy. I would very much say that isn't his position at all. Neither is it my position.

 

[sheina]

It seems to me that you think Frogster is confessing that the law isn't good and holy. I would very much say that isn't his position at all. Neither is it my position.

Neither is it my position!

 

[from scratch]

He is a hypocrite then! Going to the synagogues so many time and meeting with the gentles so many times in and out of the synagogues on the Sabbath, and then say don't keep sabbath? You realize that in the same passages it says "as his custom was" , he was doing it all the time. How can he be saying one thing doing another all the time? Hypocrite!!!! Or you are denying the truth. oops.
Better to make Paul a hypocrite. But that would make you unwise in listing to him.
We have to consider burning the bible. Because

1. We don't want to accept what it says. Or
2. It contradicts itself.

It needs to fall inline or we need to. That ain't changing for shore, God's word is forever.
By the way, how come using 3 chapters could be prooftexting?

Since when is worshipping or going to an assembly on the sabbath constitute sabbath observance? The Jews were only required to assemble for worship 3 times a year according to the law. The synagogue didn't come into being until the Babylonian captivity I think. According to the sabbath that God gave Israel in Ex 19:26 they weren't even to leave their house.