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My Sexuality... Inner Turmoil and Confusion

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First off I would like to address why this is not in the "mens forum." This is simply because I dont want just mens input. I want to hear everyone. Please bear with me as I immerse you in my personal story, but you are warned, there are some *sexual* details:

It was when I was a bit younger I was beginning to feel my sex drive kicking in. but unlike other guys I was a bit different; I wanted a deep emotional connection with a sweet kind girl: the sort of love that girls most often swoon about and that is pure and sweet as well as sexual. Of course, being single and in high school I was feeling a bit down on myself. I didn't know what to do. I masturbated every once and a while which greatly alleviated my sadness and gave me comfort. I was a little wary about it though: I knew that christians tended to hate any sort of expression of sexuality other than just plain sex with a spouse and was unsure as to whether or not it was a sin. I sought help but could only find senseless bantering online between those who condemned it and those who believed it was just a part of the human experience. My parents werent of much help either; talkinh to them drove conversations in endless circles- especially during conversations about evolution where they didn't understand any of the concepts that I discussed. I avoided porn because I didn't like the way that itobjectivized women and their treatment as "harlots."

All I knew was that this was different. Unlike other sins like lying or killing or stealing, masturbating didn't make me feel bad. I just didn't know. If my conscience is Gods law written on my heart why didnt it affect this aspect of my life by convicting me? My parents caught me a few times- of course then I felt bad. My parents who I love attacked me for it and bought me a bunch of books and things and ensured that I would beat myself up about it. They would tell me things like it would change my views on women and destroy my future relationship and that it would open doors in the spiritual realm. I read passages about how "sexually unclean" peoples would go to hell and that lusting after a woman outside of marriage is a sin and that it was "unclean" to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and that it would make me freer not to and that I should always keep my kind on what is lovely and pure etc.

In many ways I was still confused and skeptical as well as scared. If all of those things were true, I would have to repress a beautiful part of who I am; my sexuality, otherwise go to hell for eternity. Of course, jesus forgives, but if a body does something sinful repetatively without end he does not. All of the things I was told didn't seem to click. For example, if a person can't lust outside of marriage, how then can there be marriage? (attraction and desire spark marriages and love). My view of women hadn't changed at all. in fact, it caused a greater emotional and sexual attraction. Even today, my love towards my girlfriend is very strong and pure. I saved her life and tolerated everything she did and stock it out with her even when things were hard. I genuinely love her and dont want anyone else. Masturbation didnt give me any feelings of restriction; in fact, it made me feel freer to be able to touch. I didn't understand why people treated itas a habit I would be relieved to stop. Thats like saying that a person would be relieved to stop being able to enjoy food. To me, my sexuality was lovely and honorable; and as far as being "unclean," I was unsure on whether or not that was just old biblical code like the passages on eating pork causing uncleanliness.


I was at an impasse; there was nothing to do but pray. I wasnt being prideful I just wanted to know the real answers. No cultural bias, no circular logic, no misquoted verses, etc. God answered my prayer once while I made a deal with him to not touch for 30 days and receive a "suitable woman." Day 31 I met my love. She herself is a non believer which has caused me much distress. she was a paragon of what I believed to be beautiful and I thought she was the most beautiful girl ide ever seen. Her personality was amazing too; nonjudgemental and sweet. She genuinely cared about people and animals, and was concerned about what was right and wrong. there was a rocky beginning though, and I tried to get her to become a believer too but she just does not believe on the grounds that christians are intolerant and follow a doctrine of hate (enabling the killing of entire people in the old testament starkly contrasts to a notion of love, homosexuals are going to hell, etc). she herself had small bisexual inclinations but did not act on them because she loved me. I felt sympathetic and I could understand why she felt the way that she did. it wasnt arrogance she just felt that morally that it was wrong to be christian (and didn't make sense logically/scientifically with her either). her experience with christians wasnt loving: as I have seen firsthand, many have a sort of standoffish elitist attitude coupled with ignorance to scientific principles and facts used to justify beliefs. I began to fall into an intense depression fearing for her salvation. if God loves her, if he loves us, I figured, seeking the truth I will ultimately fall upon him. all I can do is seek, nothing else, and follow my conscience. hopefully he will have mercy on me for my ignorance as well as her ignorance of him. Currently we have agreed to marry, and pauls passage about an unbelieving spouse becoming sanctified brings me hope; though this verse often brings about alot of discourse.

This leads me to my current state. I am very attracted to what are known as "furries." I know, some think thats weird etc. I think that it goes back to my childhood; I used to watch cartoons all the time. in the 90s as many of you recall, about 90% of the cartoons involved "furry" characters. I just grew a fondness towards them. perhaps you wont understand and I dont expect many of you to... but it really isnt about me wanting to have sex with animals. I just feel a sort of cuddley humpy closeness thinking about them. I brought it up with my girlfriend as I am very close to her and can talk about anything, and she said she thought it was cute and said I shouldnt surpress my feelings but be open. in fact it made us feel closer sharing what we liked sexually and that sort of openness and freedom felt great (but we both agreed against wanting extramaritial affairs etc because that would hurt the other and we are very pleased with one another). I continue to touch today and sometimes to imaginary "furries" because I'm going to college far from her and often retain alot of sexual tension as a result. I dont feel father from God for doing this but I just dont know. I hope I can get your inputs because I feel awful in that I dont have a clear answer (sort of scared that God will be angry at me and I won't even know it or that I will have to repress my sexuality and feel sad about it all time). its just something about those furry characters that makes me want to cuddle them and be...well.. I'll spare the details...theyre just so cute :3 . The guy ones are cute to me too, but I'm not gay or bisexual; just to furry art. (for those of you who dont know what a "furry" is I dont suggest you google it lest you run across some sexytime art ^^;)

anyways I appreciate your input if you have any. sorry its so long I just need to have you all really understand and to try avoiding the senseless banter I usually read on similar online discussions. also really put some thought into it instead of just going with a gut impulse. pray over it even for me. thanks!
 
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ahh, furries, what to do what to do..

Well lets start at the first point, choice of forum, you might get lucky but I'd half expect this to get thrown back to struggles with sexuality, as we really don't get to have fun discussions on most bits of this forum.

Otherwise, I'm really not seeing much of question to respond too, or much to give opinions on, because the rather lengthy op, seems to give every indication that you've made your mind up on most points already.

Really what can be said far from, sounds like you have a nice girl, and I'll wish you all the best.
 
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my question is what should I do? I mean a male person who likes males is going to hell. that person could say all of the things I just mentioned too. yet it doesn't matter hes going to hell. I feel like I dont know what jesus would say about furries if they were in his day. either he would get mad at people persecuting them or would call furs "detestable." either way it seems like jesus always says what is least expected. I really dont see the problem with gays either in my conscience... yet its wrong. I think thats why many gays who really do want a meaningful relationship tend to think that the church is just hostile and intolerant as well as a very judgmental non understanding and cruel entity (like my girlfriend). I really dont want to be arrogant its just not sitting well with me and I'm looking for some advice :/
 
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on one hand you might say its okay for all of the reasons stated but on the other hand one might say that since jesus says "as you think you do" so that might make it wrong fantasizing about furries? but then if we go back and say that then it is also wrong to fantasize about your girlfriend before you are married? what about furry characters? is a gay person who its attracted to guys thus criminalized for thinking about guys (though he does not wish to act upon it) or is he expected to just become asexual and build up sexual tension? personally I feel "freest" when I let my conscience take control, but my conscience does not lead me to think these are wrong so by forcing these ideal on myself I actually feel really restricted and repressed.
 
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The answers are much shorter than you might expect:

1. Nothing is sinful between a married couple acting with love toward each other. Nothing. Even animal costumes. Obviously you would want to reveal that proclivity to someone during your engagement, but if she's up for it, God will not object.

2. God does not want you to marry a non-Christian. Period. Only He knows if your current interest is meant to be your wife; but as long as she is not a Christian, you should not be dating her, let alone considering marriage with her.
 
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Yeah but the thing is that since I had asked for a "suitable partner" after that 30 day period and that she miraculously appeared in my life and asked me out afterwards and turned out to be exactly what I wanted in a girl in every detail (even facial features, hair color, and personality) I felt that she was suitable and from God and thus okay for me to date her (unless God allowed me to be purposefully confused or taunted?). The chances that I would get asked out soon after that 30 day period after not dating at all in high school prior to that are incredibly small. also I saved her life and helped her out with her extreme depression and loved her when nobody else would. to not date her due to christianity would give her greater reason to loathe it. also it would be an awful thing to do to myself: loving a girl and not being able to be with her. I dont know if I could ever have another meaningful relationship again.. but then again I'm not here to enjoy life I suppose.. there is a possibility that I should just just repress myself and suffer... I mean I feuds everyone deserves it... I know christianity doesnt always seem to give off the most wonderful commands.. I just want to know what to do. and the fact that everyone seems to disagree about what to do I hope will cause God to have mercy on me for my ignorance... but yet he doesnt seem to be giving mercy to those tricked into believing false things and is sending them to hell for their ignorance (pagans etc). impossible situations and no guidance...
 
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Yeah but the thing is that since I had asked for a "suitable partner" after that 30 day period and that she miraculously appeared in my life and asked me out afterwards and turned out to be exactly what I wanted in a girl in every detail (even facial features, hair color, and personality) I felt that she was suitable and from God and thus okay for me to date her (unless God allowed me to be purposefully confused or taunted?).

To know whether God is speaking to us through a situation, we have to test it by the Scriptures. And the Scriptures are clear: Christians are not to be "unequally yoked" to unbelievers.

Again, God may have some other intention for the situation. It may be that you are supposed to befriend this young lady and introduce her to God. But it is 100% clear that God does not intend for believers to marry unbelievers.

I dont know if I could ever have another meaningful relationship again.

This concerns me too. You have attached yourself to this girl, and to the idea that she is "meant for you," very strongly and very quickly. How long have you actually known her? Have you even discussed marriage with her in depth--what marriage means to a Christian, the duties married Christians owe to each other, that God must be central in a Christian marriage, anything of that sort?

Step back and seriously think about this situation, my friend. Seek wisdom and not a convenient path to happiness. I know that it is tempting just to pick "the one" and be done with it, but when our version of "the one" does not match up with what God says is His will for us, it means He has a plan in another direction.
 
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as of now I already plan to marry her and have been dating her for a long while. I remember how horrible I felt when I was separated from her and the depression that that caused. if I already gave her my word I wouldnt leave her that means that it would kill both of us inside. she has been talky hurt in the past and if marriage is meant to symbolize Gods love for the church how can we claim to represent that if I'm supposed to just leave her to die and be alone and break her heart for what? God did use a woman in the old testament to lie about the location of someone in the old testament during one of the seizes (forget which one) yet lying is a sin. how can she know Gods love when nobody will really love her who claims to have Gods love?
 
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also paul states that an unbelieving spouse is sanctified through his believing partner. this presupposes that marrying an unbeliever does not destroy a believers position with God (otherwise instead of being sanctified both partners would be condemned)

Admittedly this was more intended towards people that where already married, rather than before marrying, in the latter you fall under the un-equal yoking clause.
 
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To CONVERTS--that is, people who were not saved when they originally married--Paul says to stay married if the unbelieving spouse so desires. To BELIEVERS, Paul says NOT to be unequally yoked (see II Cor. 6).

Bottom line is that right now this girl is NOT suitable for you. What God's plan is by allowing her into your life you need to ask God. But His word makes clear that right now she is NOT marriageable for a Christian.

Please consider my other post about how quickly you have rushed into this.
 
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but we are already committed @.@ also why do you say its only for converts? Paul also advises against marraige all together by saying its better not to marry. anyways she would be suitable because otherwise why would God have made me think she is suitable knowing that performing that miracle would cause me to arrive at the conclusion I did? and with that conclusion I have already committed to her
 
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this sort of reminds me of the command not to do any work on the sabbath... ultimately jesus showed that you should follow your conscience and that the law was just general guidelines that can be summed up as "love god and love your neighbor as yourself." paul talks about the freedom that believers have in christ
 
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That was a wonderful story, thank you for sharing it. Honestly I could argue all day on my beliefs but that wont change what you believe.

If you think god wants you to be with this wonderful non believing person and will not punish you for it then why on the other hand do you think god will send you to hell for having a particular fetish that includes males?
 
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