Bible-Creation-Evolution

[yeshuasavedme]

I've heard an interesting interpretation of Genesis concerining Adam's "rib":

Men actually aren't missing any ribs -- that's just a myth. ...

Get informed.

Regenerating Ribs
Adam and that 'missing' rib, by Carl Wieland

Creation Ex Nihilo 21, September–November 1999
A head-on impact with a fully laden fuel tanker at highway speeds is an experience I would hope for none to share. The surprise was to have survived it—God clearly had other plans for me.
During the 5 1/2 months in hospital, and for years afterwards, I had a series of operations to reconstruct various parts of me, particularly the bones of my face.
These operations often required using my own bone for grafting. I noticed that the plastic surgeon would keep going back to the right side of my ribcage, through the same horizontal scar, actually, to get more bone for these procedures.
One day, I asked him why he hadn't 'run out of bone'. He looked at me blankly, and then explained that he and his team took the whole rib out, each time. 'We leave the periosteum intact, so the rib usually just grows right back again.'
Despite having trained and practiced as a family doctor, I was intrigued; I had never realized this before. The periosteum (the literal meaning of this word is 'around the bone') is a membrane that covers every bone—it's the reason you can get things stuck between your teeth while gnawing on a leg of lamb, for instance.
The periosteum contains cells that can manufacture new bone. Particularly in young people, 'rib periosteum has a remarkable ability to regenerate bone, perhaps more so than any other bone'.
Thoracic (chest) surgeons routinely remove ribs, and these often grow back, in whole or in part. A lot depends on the care with which the rib is removed; it needs to be 'peeled' out of its periosteum to leave this membrane as intact as possible.
A major reason why the rib is the ideal situation for such regeneration is that the attached intercostal muscles provide it with a good blood supply. When the surgeon originally told me this, my immediate thought was—'Wow, that's really neat, Adam didn't have to walk around with a defect!'

http://www.s8int.com/adamsrib.html

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[CaliforniaSun]

Get informed.

Are you actually suggesting the body can heal itself?

 

[sandwiches]

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

I said to my print broker that I needed new business cards. And it was so.

I have them sitting on my desk, right this minute. I guess I created them with my voice.

 

[sandwiches]

Read the whole Bible and see who the Serpent was.

The same metaphor that you all use. Not taking God at his Word.

Jesus said he was a vine, has branches, and bears fruit. Do you take him at his word or do you interpret this as metaphor?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7536879-91/#post56926521
sandwiches said;

Jesus said he was a vine, has branches, and bears fruit. Do you take him at his word or do you interpret this as metaphor?

You go learn about "plants", from Scripture, and use the original Hebrew etymons that all words of all Languages are confounded from. Jesus spoke truly about plants.

 

[sandwiches]

-- huh?

It's the worst way to die.

It's like when you say your car "died." A car can't die. It's a metaphor for it not working, Einstein.

 

[sandwiches]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7536879-91/#post56926521
sandwiches said;

You go learn about "plants", from Scripture, and use the original Hebrew etymons that all words of all Languages are confounded from. Jesus spoke truly about plants.

You just leave that up to me.

 

[Hespera]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7536879-91/#post56926521
sandwiches said;

You go learn about "plants", from Scripture, and use the original Hebrew etymons that all words of all Languages are confounded from. Jesus spoke truly about plants.

We wonder why not a creationist between the poles of the earth will ever take this advice to 'get informed" or "go learn about" when we tell them how mixed up their ideas about science are.

 

[AV1611VET]

I said to my print broker that I needed new business cards. And it was so.

I have them sitting on my desk, right this minute. I guess I created them with my voice.

Did you create the print broker first?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Are you actually suggesting the body can heal itself?

The body is the only thing that can heal itself, if it is to be healed, and that is the way we are designed by God, but corruption reigns in us since the fall, and we fight it with many remedies, potions, lotions, herbs and formulas, physics and physicians, which cannot heal, but aid by suppressing the corruption so as to allow the body to do what it was created to do, before the fall. Otherwise, we can seek and receive divine intervention/a miracle, in healing for our flesh -and for our spiritual sicknesses, also.
Before the fall, every part could heal itself, as it shall in the Millennial reign when the kingdom of God is restored on earth.
The Word states that the "Blessed of YHWH" who enter that kingdom and who populate the earth anew will not die by corruption of flesh and will live long lives, before they are translated in body to the Glory at the end of the millennial reign.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's like when you say your car "died." A car can't die. It's a metaphor for it not working, Einstein.

That would be Assyrian's point of view, not mine.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The body is the only thing that can heal itself, if it is to be healed, and that is the way we are designed by God, but corruption reigns in us since the fall, and we fight it with many remedies, potions, lotions, herbs and formulas, physics and physicians, which cannot heal, but aid by suppressing the corruption so as to allow the body to do what it was created to do, before the fall. Otherwise, we can seek and receive divine intervention/a miracle, in healing for our flesh -and for our spiritual sicknesses, also.

That's not how medicine works. I don't even know where to begin correcting you.

Before the fall, every part could heal itself, as it shall in the Millennial reign when the kingdom of God is restored on earth.

Source?

The Word states that the "Blessed of YHWH" who enter that kingdom and who populate the earth anew will not die by corruption of flesh and will live long lives, before they are translated in body to the Glory at the end of the millennial reign.

Mhm.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

It's like when you say your car "died." A car can't die. It's a metaphor for it not working, Einstein.

It's equating an inanimate machine with the animal kingdom, in the ruination of it for its created purpose. It exists in its parts, but it is ruined for useful purpose. It "died", then.
That is like the death we in Adam are born in, as ruined vessels who are shamed in our loss of glory for which we were created, so as to be built up in the multiplying of the kind through the created seed, into the "Temple/House" made without hands for the Glory to indwell. We were made to be sons of God and a temple for His Glory. In the ruin of us, we are shamed creatures who wear clothes to hide the shame of our ruin and loss of Glory. We are dead, while we yet exist in the body of death.

 

[sandwiches]

Did you create the print broker first?

Don't start with the Arab phone, AV, adding words and phrases I never said.

The fact of the matter is that I spoke and it was so. The end.

 

[sandwiches]

It's equating an inanimate machine with the animal kingdom, in the ruination of it for its created purpose. It exists in its parts, but it is ruined for useful purpose. It "died", then.
That is like the death we in Adam are born in, as ruined vessels who are shamed in our loss of glory for which we were created, so as to be built up in the multiplying of the kind through the created seed, into the "Temple/House" made without hands for the Glory to indwell. We were made to be sons of God and a temple for His Glory. In the ruin of us, we are shamed creatures who wear clothes to hide the shame of our ruin and loss of Glory. We are dead, while we yet exist in the body of death.

I tend to stay but not for too long.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

That's not how medicine works. I don't even know where to begin correcting you.

You find me a physician who claims to heal bodies and I'll show you a fake. Physicians know they only use tools to block the disease so that the body can heal itself -they hope. Surgeons cut things and sew things and replace parts artificially -or gleaned from departed bodies, but they do not heal the body. The body heals the body, when impediments are got out of the way.

http://thelastchiropractor.blogspot...ic-adjustments-can-help-body.html...According to a study published in the Journal of Vertebral Subluxation Research, chiropractic care may influence basic physiological processes affecting oxidative stress and DNA repair—in other words, how the body heals itself.

Source?
Mhm.

The Word of God -Would you like to do a Bible study with me?

 

[sandwiches]

That would be Assyrian's point of view, not mine.

So, you're saying that you think that when someone says their car "died," it is LITERALLY dead?

 

[sandwiches]

The body heals the body, when impediments are got out of the way.

Yep. The body pretty much heals itself. Medicine does nothing. Except remove "impediments" such as tumors out of the bodies, suturing knife wounds, killing bacteria infections, et cetera.

 

[1611AV]

Then why do believers disagree as to whether Genesis is a parable?

Because they want to believe in evolution more.


I

'm confused; are you saying you agree with what I said, or that Christians would agree with what you said?

I agree that some "Christians" disagree.

Interesting.

This is a example of how the Bible interprets itself.

That doesn't address my point, as far as I can tell. To recap:

Me: [W]ho's to say Genesis wasn't a metaphor? Moreover, does it even matter?
You: To a Christian it means everything.

But you later said:

You: Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ or not believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is all that matters as far as Salvation is concerned.

So in the first case, you said that the issue of whether Genesis is literal or metaphorical, means everything to Christians.
But in the second case, you said that only belief in (on?) Jesus is what matters.

So, which is it? Does one's stance on whether Genesis is literal or metaphorical, actually matter?

The book of Genesis contains the mystery that was kept from the OT saints and revealed to us in these last times. Jesus Christ is God Almighty, Creator of all things. The Author of the entire Bible. The beginning and the end. The Lord and Saviour of all who believe on him.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the MYSTERY of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

The body is the only thing that can heal itself, if it is to be healed, and that is the way we are designed by God, but corruption reigns in us since the fall, and we fight it with many remedies, potions, lotions, herbs and formulas, physics and physicians, which cannot heal, but aid by suppressing the corruption so as to allow the body to do what it was created to do, before the fall. Otherwise, we can seek and receive divine intervention/a miracle, in healing for our flesh -and for our spiritual sicknesses, also.
Before the fall, every part could heal itself, as it shall in the Millennial reign when the kingdom of God is restored on earth.
The Word states that the "Blessed of YHWH" who enter that kingdom and who populate the earth anew will not die by corruption of flesh and will live long lives, before they are translated in body to the Glory at the end of the millennial reign.

This is not coherent.