Bible-Creation-Evolution

[sandwiches]

Hi there! Nice to meet you!

They aren't that bad!

Yes, and the two should not contradict each other.

It does -- but how is it they understand the Truth of the 'ancient origins of the universe', when they claim that Truth doesn't exist, or tomorrow's paradigms will be different?

In addition, how is it they "understand" the Truth that the universe shows, but miss the Truth of the Scriptures?

Doesn't that strike you as a little ironic?

If they understand the Truth of God so much -- thanks to the universe -- how's come Jesus is everything but what He claims to be?

There is one particular thing they called Him years ago in a thread that was totally shut down -- that I won't even repeat to my wife; and it's even the name of a candy bar!

You'd think, if they have been studying God's Truth so much, they would be telling us what the Bible says -- not the other way around.

Instead, the Bible is ... well ... nevermind.

I could go on for hours on this subject.

(Some emphasis added)

I think this is one of the most telling posts by AV. A little glimpse at what he really thinks as opposed to evasions, meaningless quips, and non sequiturs.

How would it be possible for atheists to truly know reality yet not accept what AV understands the Bible to say or be? If we understand reality as clearly as we claim to, then it should be even clearer that the Bible is true as AV interprets it.

Very interesting... I might have to think about this a bit more before responding more in detail.

 

[1611AV]

You didn't answer my question, though.

I want to know HOW it is that you can tell which interpretation is correct. How do you know that YOUR interpretations are inspired versus those who disagree with you.


Elhanan.

Well why would you believe Elhanan slew Goliath and not David?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Well why would you believe Elhanan slew Goliath and not David?

Because there are different translations of the Bible, and they have different answers -- since none of us were there to see exactly who slew who, one person's choice regarding who to believe is every bit as valid as the other.

 

[sandwiches]

Well why would you believe Elhanan slew Goliath and not David?

First answer my question. I answered your Goliath question. So, answer mine:
I want to know HOW it is that you can tell which interpretation is correct. How do you know that YOUR interpretations are inspired versus those who disagree with you.

 

[1611AV]

Because there are different translations of the Bible, and they have different answers -- since none of us were there to see exactly who slew who, one person's choice regarding who to believe is every bit as valid as the other.

Ok Nathan, since you want in on this then lets follow this thru. Show me what version says Elhanan slew Goliath. I know some do but I would like you to give me the example please.

 

[JoeNavy]

Matthew/Levi, John Mark, Dr. Luke and John Boanerges

Slicker yet is Joshua writing the last chapter of Deuteronomy as an afterward to a great man.

Neat, eh? Fools even the scholarly.

No thats not very scholarly at all. Every book of the New testament was not WRITTEN by one person. They are rather a collection of stories passed down person to person eventually written down by the only people who could write in that period, Monks/Ancient Theologians(who put their own spin/interpretation on things). To assert you know the actual author of each book is well...stupid. As for the old testament...Really? Don't try to agrue the crap feast that Leviticus or Duets is.

 

[1611AV]

First answer my question. I answered your Goliath question. So, answer mine:
I want to know HOW it is that you can tell which interpretation is correct. How do you know that YOUR interpretations are inspired versus those who disagree with you.

Im trying to show you. Im using the Goliath thing as a example so go along and you will see for yourself

 

[sandwiches]

Im trying to show you. Im using the Goliath thing as a example so go along and you will see for yourself

OK. Different translations.

 

[1611AV]

OK. Different translations.

Like this one?

2 Samuel 21:19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod. (NIV 1984)

 

[sandwiches]

Like this one?

2 Samuel 21:19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod. (NIV 1984)

Yep.

 

[1611AV]

Yep.

Ok. The King James says it like this and always has:
2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. (KJV1611AV)

Compare again with the NIV

2 Samuel 21:19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.(NIV 1984)

Now take a look at the new NIV

2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. (NIV 2011)

Ahhhh, looks like something has changed in the NIV. Yes it now matches what the KJV has been saying for 400 years and what the text line of the KJV has always said.

Do you see the Authority in the true Bible in this example? There are thousands. The King James 1611AV is the True Word of God, the Authority.

Since the NIV has changed its stance on this verse, then it is disqualified as the Holy Word of God. We can disqualify them all if you want to take the time, but I think you get the point. David slew Goliath

 

[Mr Dave]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about Evolution

 

[sandwiches]

Ok. The King James says it like this and always has:
2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. (KJV1611AV)

Compare again with the NIV

2 Samuel 21:19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.(NIV 1984)

Now take a look at the new NIV

2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. (NIV 2011)

Ahhhh, looks like something has changed in the NIV. Yes it now matches what the KJV has been saying for 400 years and what the text line of the KJV has always said.

Do you see the Authority in the true Bible in this example? There are thousands. The King James 1611AV is the True Word of God, the Authority.

Since the NIV has changed its stance on this verse, then it is disqualified as the Holy Word of God. We can disqualify them all if you want to take the time, but I think you get the point. David slew Goliath

The issue I have with your interpretation is that the KJV puts the words "the brother of" in italics. Meaning it wasn't implied or literally in the original Hebrew. Why should we accept this addition? Shouldn't the KJV be disqualified for adding to the original and NIV be praised for keeping more in line with the original?

 

[Nostromo]

Ahhhh, looks like something has changed in the NIV. Yes it now matches what the KJV has been saying for 400 years and what the text line of the KJV has always said.

The most striking question that comes to my mind is not "why has it taken modern Bible authors 400 years to get it right?", but "why did it take God 1600 years to get it right?"

 

[1611AV]

The issue I have with your interpretation is that the KJV puts the words "the brother of" in italics. Meaning it wasn't implied or literally in the original Hebrew. Why should we accept this addition? Shouldn't the KJV be disqualified for adding to the original and NIV be praised for keeping more in line with the original?

Well as we explain, the KJV is the inspired Word of God for not translation only. Now the newer translations are changing their text to more match the KJV including what was put in italics. Interesting...

There is a study on the italics in the KJV that we can discuss.

I will give you a brief testimony of my personal experience which may be more towards you original question.

I use to read the NIV for 10 years. When I got married, my wife told me about the KJV and how it was the Word of God. I told her I was not interested and was happy with my NIV. I remember telling her " I am not sir. lancelot, neither did I speak Shakespearean. I dont understand all thous, shalts, thys, ect... I was actually repeating something I heard from other people. After a few years I finally gave in and said to her, OK give me that KJV and I will read it. It took me 15 minutes and I tore my NIV from cover to cover.

BTW I had that NIV all notated and highlighted. I put 10 years into that book. I did not want it to be wrong. I did not want to be wrong. But I wanted to know the truth more. Once I put down my pride, the Lord revealed his word.

The Lord knew I was seeking truth and once I had seen it, I knew.

God tells us to seek him with the whole heart.

 

[1611AV]

The most striking question that comes to my mind is not "why has it taken modern Bible authors 400 years to get it right?", but "why did it take God 1600 years to get it right?"

It didn't. The KJV is of the Antioch (Syrian) text line.

The NIV and all the newer versions are of the Alexandrian text line. A different version of the True Word.

 

[1611AV]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about Evolution

Well it is but no Christian will comment on the issue lately.

 

[sandwiches]

Well as we explain, the KJV is the inspired Word of God for not translation only. Now the newer translations are changing their text to more match the KJV including what was put in italics. Interesting...

You're assuming exactly what I am asking: How do you know it's inspired versus the NIV? How do you check?

 

[Research1]

KJV has many errors. If you want modern english translations closest to the original Hebrew or Greek, use Young' Literal Translation (YLT) or the Ferran Fenton Bible. Or use the Amplified Bible (which lists words which have been translated differently).

 

[Mr Dave]

Well it is but no Christian will comment on the issue lately.

Touché, so err yeah. We evolved.