Bible-Creation-Evolution

[AV1611VET]

Yes WC, What I want to know is where in the Bible does it describe evolution in any way shape or form, It does not have to say the word evolution.

If it means anything, I use these verses as pertaining to [prescient] evolution:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Here, Solomon, the man who had apes imported, concludes that [prescient] evolution can take a hike.

Also notice that Solomon is referring to [prescient] evolution as an 'invention', and not a 'discovery' as evolutionists like to think.

I don't know what Darwin refers evolution to in his book, The Preservation of Favoured Races, but Solomon refers to [prescient] evolution as an 'invention'.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Here I interpret 'rudiments of the world' as the atoms, and believe that Paul is warning us to beware of those [scientists] who would 'spoil us' through scientifically-explained paradigms that are nothing more than Satan's philosophies -- this would include evolution.

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

This is pretty self-explanatory, and notice what company Paul says [prescient] evolution keeps company with?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Yes WC, What I want to know is where in the Bible does it describe evolution in any way shape or form, It does not have to say the word evolution.

But as you have correctly said:

Which is why I am so interested in a Bible believing Christian to explain how he came to believe in evolution while believing in a Bible that only speaks of direct and complete creation of everything.

It speaks of it, but does it mean it? The Bible speaks of good Samaratans, but the point isn't whether those specific individuals actually exist. Perhaps the same is true with Genesis; perhaps God's point isn't to dictate a literal account of history, but to describe the overarching narrative of his relationship with man and the world.
Perhaps "In the beginning..." is the same as saying "Once upon a time..." - it doesn't dictate an absolute beginning 6000 years ago, but is merely setting the scene. Perhaps Adam and Eve are figureheads for man and woman, for humanity in general, rather than two literal people.

So the Bible speaks of Creation, but how do you know it's trying to get across a literal account, rather than a metaphorical account? After all, both would begin with "In the beginning..."

 

[1611AV]

It speaks of it, but does it mean it? The Bible speaks of good Samaratans, but the point isn't whether those specific individuals actually exist. Perhaps the same is true with Genesis; perhaps God's point isn't to dictate a literal account of history, but to describe the overarching narrative of his relationship with man and the world.
Perhaps "In the beginning..." is the same as saying "Once upon a time..." - it doesn't dictate an absolute beginning 6000 years ago, but is merely setting the scene. Perhaps Adam and Eve are figureheads for man and woman, for humanity in general, rather than two literal people.

So the Bible speaks of Creation, but how do you know it's trying to get across a literal account, rather than a metaphorical account? After all, both would begin with "In the beginning..."

Well that would make one a non Bible Believer.

Same as if one that claims to believe in the Theory of Evolution said, maybe Darwin was really talking about God continuing to create new things as time went along and it was not a random mutation or had anything to do with the animal from which it is supposedly evolved from.

You see, that one would not really qualify as a Theory of Evolution believer.

 

[1611AV]

If it means anything, I use these verses as pertaining to [prescient] evolution:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Here, Solomon, the man who had apes imported, concludes that [prescient] evolution can take a hike.

Also notice that Solomon is referring to [prescient] evolution as an 'invention', and not a 'discovery' as evolutionists like to think.

I don't know what Darwin refers evolution to in his book, The Preservation of Favoured Races, but Solomon refers to [prescient] evolution as an 'invention'.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Here I interpret 'rudiments of the world' as the atoms, and believe that Paul is warning us to beware of those [scientists] who would 'spoil us' through scientifically-explained paradigms that are nothing more than Satan's philosophies -- this would include evolution.

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

This is pretty self-explanatory, and notice what company Paul says [prescient] evolution keeps company with?

Good stuff Bro! This is what is keeping the "Bible believing evolutionists" from posting strait answers. They know there are 65 more books that would shred them to pieces.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Well that would make one a non Bible Believer.

Same as if one that claims to believe in the Theory of Evolution said, maybe Darwin was really talking about God continuing to create new things as time went along and it was not a random mutation or had anything to do with the animal from which it is supposedly evolved from.

You see, that one would not really qualify as a Theory of Evolution believer.

Because the theory of evolution is quite explicit in what it is. The Bible is not explicit in what it means by Genesis.

Darwin's On the Origin of Species was a scientific treatise, as explicitly stated within its covers. Genesis, by contrast, does not say whether it should be taken literally or metaphorically.

So, why should Genesis be taken literally? Where, in the Bible, does it say "Genesis is a literal account of the creation of the universe, the world, life, and man", or something to that effect?

 

[Lillen]

May i ask for you nonbelievers... if you have cancer, do you trust in the doctor that he will cure you from it, do you have faith in someone (ie a doctor), that he will heal you, or do you know that he will?

it's a curious queistion, even you have some faith in higher authorities...

 

[Wiccan_Child]

May i ask for you nonbelievers... if you have cancer, do you trust in the doctor that he will cure you from it, do you have faith in someone (ie a doctor), that he will heal you, or do you know that he will?

it's a curious queistion, even you have some faith in higher authorities...

I trust them, but I wouldn't call it faith, because certified doctors and establish medical knowledge has proven itself worthy of our trust.

We don't have faith in doctors, because the evidence demonstrates their trustworthiness. Faith healing, praying to deities, homoeopathy, crystal healing, etc, none of these 'alternative medicines' have proven themselves capable of actually healing people.

Pray to God if you want. But don't come crying to me when cancers remain, limbs don't grow back, and children die of curable diseases.

 

[AV1611VET]

I trust them, but I wouldn't call it faith, because certified doctors and establish medical knowledge has proven itself worthy of our trust.

Ya, it sure did -- that's why Thalidomide was caught ahead of time, wasn't it?

I don't buy your explanation.

 

[Lillen]

So when you go to the doctor to get painkillers you have no whatsoever faith that he will heal you? you know that he will?

And also, i been cured from downs and everytime i precive a cold, or a foodpoisoning, i call upon Jesus, it has cured me alot of times...

... to be fair, that time i was in the gaschamber Jesus saved me as i cryed out to him. i been in a gas chamber and survived thanks to Jesus, i have seen the smoke come down from the cealing. I was exposed to second degree murder, and survived because i cried out to the Lord. Christians famously calls this the athority of the believer...

 

[AV1611VET]

So when you go to the doctor to get painkillers you have no whatsoever faith that he will heal you? you know that he will?

And also, i been cured from downs and everytime i precive a cold, or a foodpoisoning, i call upon Jesus, it has cured me alot of times...

... to be fair, that time i was in the gaschamber Jesus saved me as i cryed out to him. i been in a gas chamber and survived thanks to Jesus, i have seen the smoke come down from the cealing. I was exposed to second degree murder, and survived because i cried out to the Lord. Christians famously calls this the athority of the believer...

The world would be speaking German and walking in lock-step right now, if it wasn't for Jesus.

Of course, everyone would be employed, and there would be no 3rd-world countries, so I suppose that would appeal to some.

Jesus put an end to Hitler's [attempted] technocracy.

 

[Nabobalis]

The world would be speaking German and walking in lock-step right now, if it wasn't for Jesus.

Of course, everyone would be employed, and there would be no 3rd-world countries, so I suppose that would appeal to some.

Jesus put an end to Hitler's [attempted] technocracy.

I do want to know how Jesus stopped Hitler.

 

[Jro]

I do want to know how Jesus stopped Hitler.

No holds barred street fight. It was pretty epic. Sorry you missed it bro.

 

[Nabobalis]

No holds barred street fight. It was pretty epic. Sorry you missed it bro.

Damn, next time they have to put it on payperview!

 

[AV1611VET]

Damn, next time they have to put it on payperview!

Starting with Auschwitz? or is there another preference?

 

[Lillen]

The thing is, gaschambers is commonly referred as chemical gas sinking down from cealing... its not, i am to young to have been a part of WW2... Jews were poisend with ratpoison... hitler experimented with rat posion on jews because he wanted to see the things his victim saw when exposed to rat posion. I bet he wanted to observe satan causing the jews to go berserk and kill eachother in the gaschamber.

A chinese restuarant owner posined me with the same venom hitler used on jews... This was 7 years ago when i rented a attic in a old church in middle of sweden..

The holocaust still occurs in many nations... invisble to the common eye but a reality to many, especailly drugaddicts..

 

[AV1611VET]

The holocaust still occurs in many nations... invisble to the common eye but a reality to many, especailly drugaddicts..

We have what we call the American Holocaust going on here right now, compliments of technology.

They don't use gas though, it's more like a saline solution -- (but from what I understand, it does burn).

Scientists just traded mustard for stainless steel.

 

[Nabobalis]

Starting with Auschwitz? or is there another preference?

No dodging the question. How did Jesus roll back the Nazi Empire? If I recall it was the lives of millions of humans that stopped Hitler.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The holocaust still occurs in many nations... invisble to the common eye but a reality to many, especailly drugaddicts..

Well, I think this statement requires no further explanation...

 

[AV1611VET]

No dodging the question. How did Jesus roll back the Nazi Empire?

The story starts in 1620, but officially in 1776.

!!! JERUSALEM !!!

 

[Lillen]

Funny prayers is on the wall right now... because i was healed from a severe headache just a couple of days ago... i believe Diffrent doctors would guess (Yes it is a guess) diffrent things... I suspected it either was a brain tumour, migraine, or brian inflammation. To day i am certain it's non of it,,, and i guess we will never know for sure since the headache gone away. I have no need to go to a doctor who can examine it because the symthoms has gone away!

It is always funny to speculate what a doctor would've said now when i feel wholly healed by prayers...