Recycle Police fine senior $100

[ScottBot]

1. Your argument for the addiction of power is still unconvincing. You don't give any scientific evidence supporting your claim.

2. You still do not realize how much of an overstatement your Nuremberg Trial reference was. Six million people were murdered. A woman is fined one-hundred dollars. I don't care what parallels you can draw, this is in no way a reasonable analogy.

1. I don't need scientific evidence. I just have to point to Washington DC. If you can't see it, there ain't nothing I can say or do to shed a light.

2. The analogy is valid, in a matter of degrees. You aren't getting it, and I don't have the wherewithall or interest to keep chasing my tail on it.

 

[William_0]

1. I don't need scientific evidence. I just have to point to Washington DC. If you can't see it, there ain't nothing I can say or do to shed a light.

2. The analogy is valid, in a matter of degrees. You aren't getting it, and I don't have the wherewithall or interest to keep chasing my tail on it.

Any non-theological argument needs evidence to be considered valid.

 

[ScottBot]

Any non-theological argument needs evidence to be considered valid.

Washington DC is all the evidence I need.

 

[William_0]

Washington DC is all the evidence I need.

And unfortunately, you're the only one.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

2. The analogy is valid, in a matter of degrees. You aren't getting it, and I don't have the wherewithall or interest to keep chasing my tail on it.

It was a slippery slope fallacy.

 

[RedDead1981]

1. I don't need scientific evidence. I just have to point to Washington DC. If you can't see it, there ain't nothing I can say or do to shed a light.

2. The analogy is valid, in a matter of degrees. You aren't getting it, and I don't have the wherewithall or interest to keep chasing my tail on it.

Geez louise. Why post it if you aren't going to explain it when people question it?

 

[ScottBot]

Geez louise. Why post it if you aren't going to explain it when people question it?

I have explained it. I have no interest in repeating myself.

 

[ScottBot]

It was a slippery slope fallacy.

With the exception that the "slippery slope fallacy" usually ends up being true. Sorta like during the civil war, when people were protesting the massive grab of unconstitutional authority that Lincoln was taking by suspending habeus corpus, using the military to conduct a scorched earth policy on American citizens, imprisoning journalists critical of his war conduct. They all said that it would lead to a broad, overreaching, incestuous federal government at the expense of state soveriegnty. That was all claim "No!!! That won't happen. This is a special case. That slippery slope thing will never happen. This is America, damn it, we're different. We have a Constitution that protects us from abusive government." Riiiiight, and we can see how that turned out.

 

[SOAD]

That excuse didn't work at Nuremburg.

Comparing a $100 ticket to Nuremburg

I don't think you could have made a worse comparison.


If I illegally park and I return to my car while the officer is writing the ticket, is that officer stupid for continuing to write the ticket? Should I be given a break because I said I was sorry?

 

[ScottBot]

Comparing a $100 ticket to Nuremburg

I don't think you could have made a worse comparison.


If I illegally park and I return to my car while the officer is writing the ticket, is that officer stupid for continuing to write the ticket? Should I be given a break because I said I was sorry?

You are focusing on the cost of the ticket. I am focusing on the purpose. She was given a ticket (regardless of cost) for putting a newspaper in the trash can and not the recycling bin. When she offered to take the paper out and put it where it belonged, the officer refused and gave her a ticket anyway. If you cannot see the plain stupidity of it, I cannot help you.

 

[SOAD]

You are focusing on the cost of the ticket. I am focusing on the purpose. She was given a ticket (regardless of cost) for putting a newspaper in the trash can and not the recycling bin. When she offered to take the paper out and put it where it belonged, the officer refused and gave her a ticket anyway. If you cannot see the plain stupidity of it, I cannot help you.

I am focusing on your pathetic comparison of a lady putting recycled stuff in the trash to Nuremburg I was focusing on THAT stupidity.

I did not ask for your help, and stop being a pompous jerk.

 

[MichaelHelp]

You are focusing on the cost of the ticket. I am focusing on the purpose. She was given a ticket (regardless of cost) for putting a newspaper in the trash can and not the recycling bin. When she offered to take the paper out and put it where it belonged, the officer refused and gave her a ticket anyway. If you cannot see the plain stupidity of it, I cannot help you.

Of course someone is going to backtrack as soon as they've been caught. Same thing as a kid with their hand in the cookie jar, when they get caught "i won't do it again!!! i promise!!!!!" well if the kid gets time out the odds that he won't do it again are greatly improved over letting it slide.

I disagree with ordinances in my city but i follow them so i don't get fined. If you are truly so worked up over this case send the lady a $100 check and/or go work to get this city ordinance repealed.

 

[ScottBot]

Of course someone is going to backtrack as soon as they've been caught. Same thing as a kid with their hand in the cookie jar, when they get caught "i won't do it again!!! i promise!!!!!" well if the kid gets time out the odds that he won't do it again are greatly improved over letting it slide.

I disagree with ordinances in my city but i follow them so i don't get fined. If you are truly so worked up over this case send the lady a $100 check and/or go work to get this city ordinance repealed.

You are saying that an 80 year old lady intentionally violated the law and contibuted to the destruction of the planet by conspiring to, and with malice and forsight, put a newspaper in the garbage bin and not the recycling bin?

 

[ScottBot]

I am focusing on your pathetic comparison of a lady putting recycled stuff in the trash to Nuremburg I was focusing on THAT stupidity.

I did not ask for your help, and stop being a pompous jerk.

Good Lord, look at the pot calling the kettle black.

And YOU are blowing the Nuremburg comparison out of proportion. I have maintained from the beginning that is was a matter of DEGREE (i.e.proportionality), but the mindset is the same. A mindless drone in a position of authority rigidly enforcing a law that makes no sense and using no discretion, which is well within her purview. Yes, cops do have a broad range of discretion when enforcing the law. She could have informed the older lady that newspaper was not trash, but rather recycling, and shown her where the proper bin was. But no....she was just "following orders" and wrote the old lady a ticket. The following orders bit is the analogy. It is reserved for people who blindly follow instruction with no sense or insight, and do not protest when the "orders" are patently ridiculous.

 

[SOAD]

You are saying that an 80 year old lady intentionally violated the law and contibuted to the destruction of the planet by conspiring to, and with malice and forsight, put a newspaper in the garbage bin and not the recycling bin?

Man, if you feel for the old lady, why don't you just pay her fine for her?

Nuremburg

 

[DaisyDay]

You are saying that an 80 year old lady intentionally violated the law and contibuted to the destruction of the planet by conspiring to, and with malice and forsight, put a newspaper in the garbage bin and not the recycling bin?

Are you saying little old ladies are exempt - or should be - from recycling laws?

Comparing a ticket to Nuremberg does seem way overblown.

 

[DaisyDay]

Comparing a $100 ticket to Nuremburg

That Godwins the thread doesn't it?

 

[ScottBot]

Man, if you feel for the old lady, why don't you just pay her fine for her?

Nuremburg

That would imply that I ascent to the validity of the law. You fight injustice, not comply with it. I will see if she intends to fight the fine and if she establishes a fund to defray the legal costs of it, I'll donate $100 to that.

 

[callmeMurph]

A senior woman drops a newspaper into a street trash container and is fined $100 dollars for failing to recycle.

How much you wanna bet that if this city has to cut its budget, police and fire fighters will be the first to go, but the Environmental Enforcers will keep their jobs?

This is how municipalities punish voters for making them cut the budget. Essential services go first, but this kind of crap is immune.

I'm all for recycling but if I feel like throwing something in the trash I have the right to throw it in the trash. This is ridiculous.

 

[ScottBot]

I'm all for recycling but if I feel like throwing something in the trash I have the right to throw it in the trash. This is ridiculous.

PLANETKILLER!!! How dare you disagree with the state's authority to dictate where you put your discarded paper?