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[Upisoft]

No it was dark matter!

To illustrate with words what i observed. The light shine reversed to the source of ligth. It is hard to describe. You could describe it with a negative periodic function "-sin x".

You should not sin. Especially "x". As "x" is free variable and can stand for everything.

 

[Cabal]

Second - You apparently lack an understanding of what a hologram actually is. A hologram exists only as an illusion of light. Our earth is made of solid matter. Go outside, look down, see dirt. Take note how you don't pass through it.

Well, holography typically refers to a record of an interference pattern of light - but those aren't the only objects that can interfere. Matter waves can:

Atom laser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But I'm assuming the OP is referring to p-brane interference (or one of Hawking's favourite ideas anyway), and a hologram is the closest analogue to it, in that it's a record of interference.

 

[Lillen]

You should not sin. Especially "x". As "x" is free variable and can stand for everything.

Do i always has to be wrong according to you guys? that's another fallacy from antichrist: "He is wrong, because he is christian, even though he can think scientifically!!!"

This is how i want to see sine and cosine: - sin x = cos x. But when drawing the curves, I want to draw the -sin x from right to left, and the cos x from left to right. Thats the only diffrence between them! Since it is the same curve you simply pinch out the equalsign there!

 

[Cabal]

Do i always has to be wrong according to you guys? that's another fallacy from antichrist: "He is wrong, because he is christian, even though he can think scientifically!!!"

Actually, that was a joke.

Regarding your fallacy, there is another explanation - you're not thinking scientifically and are in fact wrong.

 

[Lillen]

I base the idea that dark matter surrounds black holes upon observations. I also look what speaks against it; The permiss is based upon the idea that dark matter escape black holes. In other words, if dark matter do not escape black holes we have something that speaks against this theory.

If i take my collueges side. Supernovas secrate dark matter, giving a hint that dark matter is in connection with black holes!

What i am intressted in is cladestine chemistry and cladistine workshops. I rarely drink alchohol, and when i do i do not get drunk (we should stay sober). The thing is if you know how to brew beer or how to do wine, you have some knowledge in cladestine chemistry... all you guys probobly know is to talk, you can argue, you can dispute - But can not put your knowledge into practice. And that is what is sad.

When you put your knowledge into practice, your practice need a near ground idea behind it. And usually that near ground derivives from the bible. Or you could look at it this way: Jesus opened the eyes of the blind speaking in parables to the people, Parables that reveal hidden secrets. For instance, one way to create porcelain is to mingle spit with mud and heat it (Jesus revealed this in the story of the blind man, Liberally speaking he was creating a porcelain eye to the blind man). Now Jesus did heal the blind man, the blind man got his vision back from God, but the modern worlds idea behind giving a blind man a porcelein eye is in connection with the bible!

Another good example is the biblical idea behind sulfuric acid - Sulfuric acid is created by mingle sulfur and water and electroplate it (I think???). The burning sulfurlake is not sulfuric acid. But the idea behind sulfuric acid is in connection with the bible!

Applied science usually comes after candidate or masters degree! Up to then it is just theory, symmetric arguments, and samantics!

 

[Nabobalis]

I base the idea that dark matter surrounds black holes upon observations. I also look what speaks against it; The permiss is based upon the idea that dark matter escape black holes. In other words, if dark matter do not escape black holes we have something that speaks against this theory.

If i take my collueges side. Supernovas secrate dark matter, giving a hint that dark matter is in connection with black holes!

Supernovae do not secrete dark matter. Do you have an link to back that up?
Plus I checked the wiki article and there is no mention of dark matter.

Also these observations, can they be verified? If someone says they have seen/measured something, it gets repeated by independent groups. IF these observations can not be repeated then they are (generally) not taken seriously.

If there was dark matter around a blackhole it would be safe to say that it would be falling in and (I assume here) it should be emitting some form of light as it falls down the potential well.

 

[Lillen]

Supernovae do not secrete dark matter. Do you have an link to back that up?
Plus I checked the wiki article and there is no mention of dark matter.

I read it somewere on wiki (I think!!!). But there are obisouly a refutation to that notion. What speaks for it is the gravitional effects on matter.

Also these observations, can they be verified? If someone says they have seen/measured something, it gets repeated by independent groups. IF these observations can not be repeated then they are (generally) not taken seriously.

I have talked with a volonteer group of NASA answering question on astrophysics, and asked if they can confirm it. I will recive the answer in one to two weeks.

 

[Lillen]

Another way to look at my observations, is that black holes generate dark matter thanks to gravitys effect on matter. It is a new theory, i haven't heard it before. What speaks against this? It hasn't been observed by anyone except me (i think!!).

 

[Upisoft]

Actually, that was a joke.

Regarding your fallacy, there is another explanation - you're not thinking scientifically and are in fact wrong.

Yes, it was a joke. If they cannot recognize a joke...

 

[Freodin]

Do i always has to be wrong according to you guys? that's another fallacy from antichrist: "He is wrong, because he is christian, even though he can think scientifically!!!"

What IS a fallacy is the reverse reasoning: "They only call me wrong because I am a Christian, not because I am indeed wrong."

And you are wrong.

This is how i want to see sine and cosine: - sin x = cos x. But when drawing the curves, I want to draw the -sin x from right to left, and the cos x from left to right. Thats the only diffrence between them! Since it is the same curve you simply pinch out the equalsign there!

-sin x is not cos x.
So regardless of which direction you draw them in - or whatever you think a drawing of that curves means - you won´t get a correct result if you start from a false premise.

Now what does that have to do with light escaping from Black Holes? Exactly nothing! Light is not "normal" matter - made from atoms, protons, neutrons or electrons - but it has mass. Mass reacts to gravity. A Black Hole is any object excerts enough gravity so that its escape velocity (the speed an objects needs to have to escape the field of gravity of the object) exceeds the speed of light. Thus, light cannot escape from a Black Hole.
Dark Matter is the name for matter that does not (at least not enough to be observed) interact with electromagnetic radiation. Yet every proposed form of Dark Matter reacts to gravity. It has mass. Objects possessing mass cannot exceed the speed of light... so Dark Matter would also not be able to escape from a Black Hole.

Supernovae (this is the correct plural form of Supernova) are exploding stars. They send out a lot of light and matter to be seen. But they are not Black Holes.

Near Death Experiences are not related to Black Holes at all, or any other stellar obejects. NDEs are experiences of the mind - and you don´t travel to Black Holes or through deep space in an NDE in the same way that you don´t travel to New York when you dream of falling from the Empire State Building.

Black Holes are also not mentioned or hinted at in the Bible. The darkness the is mentioned in Matthew relates to the spiritual darkness that is outside of the spiritual light that is God in christian theology. It is not meant to be used in a physical sense.
If it were - if the darkness referred to the physical objects of Black Holes - the weeping and gnashing of teeth would also have to be interpreted physically. And in the gravitic enviroment of a Black Hole, there wouldn´t be any teeth to gnash with.

 

[Nathan Poe]

ummm... evolution is big mafia in worldwide?

 

[Freodin]

ummm... evolution is big mafia in worldwide?

Hey, I just thought of that!

What was that guys name? Orange, wasn´t it?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Hey, I just thought of that!

What was that guys name? Orange, wasn´t it?

Yep, that was the chap.

Things like that really let you know who the regulars/old-timers around here are.

 

[Lillen]

-sin x is not cos x.

So regardless of which direction you draw them in - or whatever you think a drawing of that curves means - you won´t get a correct result if you start from a false premise.

Is it the other way around? -cos x = sin x!

The thing i wanted to point out however, is that i view a negative periodic curve going reversed. In reality, waves moving away from the shore and Rediation that is attracted from suposingly nowere to its source!

Now what does that have to do with light escaping from Black Holes? Exactly nothing! Light is not "normal" matter - made from atoms, protons, neutrons or electrons - but it has mass. Mass reacts to gravity. A Black Hole is any object excerts enough gravity so that its escape velocity (the speed an objects needs to have to escape the field of gravity of the object) exceeds the speed of light. Thus, light cannot escape from a Black Hole.

I heard a diffrent explination from wiccan child. According to her black holes warps timespace. This is the phenomenon that makes light not being able to escape black holes. It has nothing to do with mass!!

Dark Matter is the name for matter that does not (at least not enough to be observed) interact with electromagnetic radiation. Yet every proposed form of Dark Matter reacts to gravity. It has mass. Objects possessing mass cannot exceed the speed of light... so Dark Matter would also not be able to escape from a Black Hole.

I read that to!

Supernovae (this is the correct plural form of Supernova) are exploding stars. They send out a lot of light and matter to be seen. But they are not Black Holes.

So were did i say that supernova is a black hole?

 

[Cabal]

What i am intressted in is cladestine chemistry and cladistine workshops. I rarely drink alchohol, and when i do i do not get drunk (we should stay sober). The thing is if you know how to brew beer or how to do wine, you have some knowledge in cladestine chemistry... all you guys probobly know is to talk, you can argue, you can dispute - But can not put your knowledge into practice. And that is what is sad.

And you'd be wrong. The majority of science fans here work in the sciences. Just because we don't accept your shoehorning of porcelain and sulfuric acid into the Biblical account does not mean we are incapable of doing science.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

According to wiki supernovas secrate dark matter..

Parhaps it was radiation!

Black holes emit radiation (specifically, Hawking radiation), but not dark matter. Well, they might, but there's nothing to suggest that they do.

No it was dark matter!

To illustrate with words what i observed. The light shine reversed to the source of ligth. It is hard to describe. You could describe it with a negative periodic function "-sin x".

But since dark matter has no influence on light (beyond a slight gravitational effect), it wouldn't have been dark matter you 'saw'. Besides, it was a near-death experience, they're hardly reliable sources of astrophysical phenomena...

 

[Cabal]

Is it the other way around? -cos x = sin x!

No, -cos x = cos x, -sin x = sin -x. Cos x-pi/2 and sin x are equivalent.

I heard a diffrent explination from wiccan child. According to her black holes warps timespace. This is the phenomenon that makes light not being able to escape black holes. It has nothing to do with mass!!

No, that's the same explanation. Mass warps spacetime and that shows up in gravitation.

 

[Freodin]

Is it the other way around? -cos x = sin x!

Wrong as well. Read Cabals post... or, for your own educations sake, grab a beginners book about trigonometry!

The thing i wanted to point out however, is that i view a negative periodic curve going reversed. In reality, waves moving away from the shore and Rediation that is attracted from suposingly nowere to its source!

Then you might have (major) difficulties expressing your ideas. Drop that "-sin = cos" stuff and simply tell us what you mean... cryptical (and false) pseudo-mathematical expressions tend to obscure a debate rather then enlighten it.

But even your descriptive text is... well... quite meaningless. A source is called source because it emits, not attracts. And that is the physical fact that you haven´t dealt with in all your posts: a Black Hole does not emit light... this is why it is called "Black Hole" and this is why you cannot observe it, or anything within its event horizon.

I heard a diffrent explination from wiccan child. According to her black holes warps timespace. This is the phenomenon that makes light not being able to escape black holes. It has nothing to do with mass!!

No, it´s the same explanation, just presented in a different form. (Similarly to your -sin stuff... only that I tried to get it right.)
Mass warpes spacetime. The effect of that warp can be interpreted as a force acting on an object, and you can do some interesting calculations using only the masses, velocities (and some adjusting constants) of the involved objects.

I read that to!

But is seems you didn´t understand it, or you wouldn´t have gone of on your "dark matter around black holes" train-of-thought.

So were did i say that supernova is a black hole?

Ah, I see. Sorry, my mistake.
You asked why we can observe Supernovae, if Dark Matter is unobservable. Well, I don´t know where you got the notion that Supernovae emit Dark Matter - I couldn´t find anything about that in a quick search - but whereever you got that, you obviously misunderstood it to mean that Supernovae emit ONLY Dark Matter.

They don´t. They emit quite a lot of very visible light and everyday matter.

 

[Lillen]

But since dark matter has no influence on light (beyond a slight gravitational effect), it wouldn't have been dark matter you 'saw'. Besides, it was a near-death experience, they're hardly reliable sources of astrophysical phenomena...

Ok doing this the best swings way (to quote Kurdt Cobain): to escape the utter darkness were there is weeping and gnashing with teeth, you need to 1. Make sure the light in your house shine ordnary, you do this by praying to the Holy Spirit that he should come in with his light, removing the antilight from your house. 2. You need to take away all the curses people do by using TM. 3 you need to put Jesus' blood upon everything within the house, by touching your house and pray to God that Jesus blood shall be over the house (Famously called the power or the protection of the blood). 4 you need to build up the Holy Spirits safty walls around the house, making it impossible for the wicked force to enter the house.

That's how i survived rat poison atleast!!

And you'd be wrong. The majority of science fans here work in the sciences. Just because we don't accept your shoehorning of porcelain and sulfuric acid into the Biblical account does not mean we are incapable of doing science.

So what is your proffession? what do you do except scatter the sheeps?

No, -cos x = cos x, -sin x = sin -x. Cos x-pi/2 and sin x are equivalent.

e can be alot can it not?

And when derivive sine and cosine, we end up with these figures... no not?

 

[Cabal]

So what is your proffession?

Atomic physicist, currently on year 2 of Ph.D.

what do you do except scatter the sheeps?

Correcting people's misapprehensions about scientific facts and the strength they attribute to their uninformed opinions is not scattering sheep.