Didn't they know?

[Itinerant Lurker]

One more answer concerning acquisition of materials from afar. If Noah, or his agents, found a special source of materials needed for the ark in a faraway land, would a 'trade route' have to be developed (over decades or centuries) in order for him to acquire these materials? Of course not. The supplier would get them there anyway.

Apparently you missed the point entirely. You are simply making things up and then apparently getting upset when producers don't read your mind and take the things you made up as true. Why not simply say that Noah discovered anti-gravity trees that floated from Siberia to the Middle East when he turned on the first electromagnet which he powered by chasing sheep around and around a giant balloon? There is precisely as much evidence for this as for the things you've made up, how is one who is not a gullible mind-reader to know which made up story to believe?




Lurker

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I wonder if there is a 'law' (i.e. Goodwin's, Poe's, etc.) for discussions between theists and scientists, as the facts are brought to light, that 'goddidit' will ultimately be used?

 

[AV1611VET]

I wonder if there is a 'law' (i.e. Goodwin's, Poe's, etc.) for discussions between theists and scientists, as the facts are brought to light, that 'goddidit' will ultimately be used?

You mean Godwin's Law?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

You mean Godwin's Law?

Yes, that's the one. Invoking Hitler/Nazism right?

There's gotta' be one for invoking Pluto.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Apparently you missed the point entirely. You are simply making things up and then apparently getting upset when producers don't read your mind and take the things you made up as true. Why not simply say that Noah discovered anti-gravity trees that floated from Siberia to the Middle East when he turned on the first electromagnet which he powered by chasing sheep around and around a giant balloon? There is precisely as much evidence for this as for the things you've made up, how is one who is not a gullible mind-reader to know which made up story to believe?




Lurker

The Producer's purpose was to mock believers by presenting a ridiculous story, so reasonable assumptions were never an issue to them. As a believer of the story I can fill in the blanks using reasonable assumptions. If that's what you call 'making it up', then I am guilty.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

The Producer's purpose was to mock believers by presenting a ridiculous story, so facts were never an issue to them. As a believer of the story I can fill in the blanks using reasonable assumptions. If that's what you call 'making it up as you go', then I am guilty.

Which is exactly antithetical to the scentific method. Which is why most reasonable people don't buy into creationism and world wide floods.

 

[Naraoia]

The Producer's purpose was to mock believers by presenting a ridiculous story, so reasonable assumptions were never an issue to them.

Did you also make this up, or do you have evidence as to the producers' purpose?

Not everyone who disagrees with you is out to get you, you know.

 

[Delphiki]

I'd like to know what the "reasonable assumption" is for how to fit over 60,000 species of land animal in a 41,000 cubic-meter space.

 

[Itinerant Lurker]

The Producer's purpose was to mock believers by presenting a ridiculous story, so reasonable assumptions were never an issue to them. As a believer of the story I can fill in the blanks using reasonable assumptions. If that's what you call 'making it up', then I am guilty.

How are your justifying calling your assumptions "reasonable"? How are you justifying calling the show's portrayal "unreasonable"? Maybe if you could focus on one specific thing from the show that you think was unreasonable and provide an alternative of your own these claims of yours would begin to make more sense.




Lurker

 

[Belk]

The Producer's purpose was to mock believers by presenting a ridiculous story, so reasonable assumptions were never an issue to them. As a believer of the story I can fill in the blanks using reasonable assumptions. If that's what you call 'making it up', then I am guilty.

Yes, the stuff you have come up with is SO much more realistic.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Naraoia, Lurker, and Belk; It is clear that you haven't seen these ridiculous shows. If you had even you would be appalled at the buffoonery of the presentation.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Tools and building methods for this once-in-an-age project would have been lost to history. Even if somehow saved they probably wouldn't be able to be applied to any other building project. Reasonable assumption?

 

[Belk]

Naraoia, Lurker, and Belk; It is clear that you haven't seen these ridiculous shows. If you had even you would be appalled at the buffoonery of the presentation.

Really/ Why would I be appalled at it? What was so over the top?

 

[Belk]

Tools and building methods for this once-in-an-age project would have been lost to history. Even if somehow saved they probably wouldn't be able to be applied to any other building project. Reasonable assumption?

Uh, that an advance in boat building so profound it dwarfs modern techniques, being lost when there are only 6 people alive on the planet and they are directly related to one another? No, not really reasonable. In fact, it is so ludicrous it beggars the imagination.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Really/ Why would I be appalled at it? What was so over the top?

One scene showed 'Noah', dressed in what looked like burlap, splitting a crooked 'log', a limb barely six inches in diameter, using a wooden wedge and mallet. This was described as the boat building 'technology' of the time. Another show had an animated scene of a rickety boat that floated so high in the water that it would have tipped over before it sank. At the first wave it collapsed into a pile of logs and quickly sank. Your really need to see these shows to know what I'm talking about.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Uh, that an advance in boat building so profound it dwarfs modern techniques, being lost when there are only 6 people alive on the planet and they are directly related to one another? No, not really reasonable. In fact, it is so ludicrous it beggars the imagination.

The ark wasn't a boat or ship. It was really a giant building that would float. The exact building methods would never be needed again. I work with wood all the time and often make special 'jigs' for cutting or drilling. They are used for that project and never again. In fact I can't remember all of them. How 'ludicrous' is that? Noah or those artisans would have to develop techniques and tools for cutting large mortise and tenon joints, tongue and groove or splined joints, as well as boring large holes, and shaping large dowel pegs. It would have been 'joinery' x10.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

One scene showed 'Noah', dressed in what looked like burlap, splitting a crooked 'log', a limb barely six inches in diameter, using a wooden wedge and mallet. This was described as the boat building 'technology' of the time. Another show had an animated scene of a rickety boat that floated so high in the water that it would have tipped over before it sank. At the first wave it collapsed into a pile of logs and quickly sank. Your really need to see these shows to know what I'm talking about.

Of course that was the boat building technology at the time. Any accurate depiction of the ark story is bound to be ridiculous because the story itself is ridiculous.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

The ark wasn't a boat or ship. It was really a giant building that would float. The exact building methods would never be needed again. I work with wood all the time and often make special 'jigs' for cutting or drilling.

And you make them using bronze age tools, right?
Have you ever worked with really large rough hewn lumber? I have and it is not easy even with modern tools. Have you ever cut down a tree with a hand axe? Can you imagine cutting down and processing the giant redwoods that you image were around using bronze age tools?

They are used for that project and ever again. In fact I can't remember all of them. How 'ludicrous' is that?

What is totally ludicrous is the idea that all the animals on earth are descended from 2 or 6 or each kind and all the myriad people on earth are descended from 8 inbred family members who survived a year long global flood that left no evidence on a wooden vessel larger than any ever built.

Noah or those artisans would have to develop techniques and tools for cutting large mortise and tenon joints, tongue and groove or splined joints, as well as boring large holes, and shaping large dowel pegs. It would have been 'joinery' x10.

You continue to make things us ad-hoc as you go along with no evidence to support them.

 

[Delphiki]

Noah or those artisans would have to develop techniques and tools for cutting large mortise and tenon joints, tongue and groove or splined joints, as well as boring large holes, and shaping large dowel pegs. It would have been 'joinery' x10.

And since these kinds of techniques were unheard of in Noah's time, I'd say that's evidence against the ark. I'm not sure how you're drawing the opposite conclusions with your own arguments.

In fact, even in the bronze age, be it a building or a boat, even large nails weren't yet used. The oldest boat found by archaeologists is sewn together with yew (not even proper rope). It dates to the 1500's B.C. Later than Noah's supposed voyage.

Dover Bronze Age Boat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were simply no materials to build a buoyant object that large that would stay together in one piece in the water, let alone one that was bigger on the inside than on the outside and could hold or even fit that much cargo.

Again: Less than 41,000 cubic meters and at least 60,000 land animals. ...Does not compute, even if the thing was made with modern technology.

THAT is what I find ludicrous.

 

[AV1611VET]

And since these kinds of techniques were unheard of in Noah's time, I'd say that's evidence against the ark. I'm not sure how you're drawing the opposite conclusions with your own arguments.

In fact, even in the bronze age, be it a building or a boat, even large nails weren't yet used. The oldest boat found by archaeologists is sewn together with yew (not even proper rope). It dates to the 1500's B.C. Later than Noah's supposed voyage.

Dover Bronze Age Boat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were simply no materials to build a buoyant object that large that would stay together in one piece in the water, let alone one that was bigger on the inside than on the outside and could hold or even fit that much cargo.

Again: Less than 41,000 cubic meters and at least 60,000 land animals. ...Does not compute, even if the thing was made with modern technology.

THAT is what I find ludicrous.

Um ... long before Noah, there were metallurgists in the family:

Genesis 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.