The Bereans

[Dark_Lite]

One place is in Exodus, when God Himself wrote the Ten Commandments on stone tablets. God wrote those directly.

Yes.

The rest, God used men to write, the same way someone uses a secretary to take down dictation, like John did in Revelation 1:1.

Where are you getting this notion from? The writings of Scriptures are secretarial dictations? So God was the one doing all the missionary work, he himself was walking from place to place as the greetings of the letters say? This, to me, seems to be a fanciful notion on your part rather than grounded in empirical or theological evidence.

Also, this:

2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is God-breathed"

Peace.

"God-breathed" means at best inspired. It does not mean God had a bunch of secretaries penning his exact thoughts down.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes.
Where are you getting this notion from? The writings of Scriptures are secretarial dictations? So God was the one doing all the missionary work, he himself was walking from place to place as the greetings of the letters say? This, to me, seems to be a fanciful notion on your part rather than grounded in empirical or theological evidence.

"God-breathed" means at best inspired. It does not mean God had a bunch of secretaries penning his exact thoughts down.

You and Mr. Dave also seem to be on the same "wavelenght"

http://www.christianforums.com/t7496252-2/#post55651824

Originally Posted by Mr Dave To be fair, God didn't write the Bible. The closest scripture comes to anything of the sort is the 2 Tim verse which means God-breathed. This is still through the medium of man though. No-where does scripture or anything else suggest God picked up a pen or pencil and scribbled down some words, Not even through Jesus, but only through those who have only one nature, human.

 

[Dark_Lite]

You and Mr. Dave also seem to be on the same "wavelenght"

http://www.christianforums.com/t7496252-2/#post55651824

Indeed.

 

[Mr Dave]

We both seem to be of one "mind" here

Reve 17:12 And the ten horns which thou saw are ten kings, who-any a Kingdom not yet received, but authority as kings one hour they are receiving with the beast. [Acts 1:6?]
13 these are having one purpose/gnwmhn <1106> and the power and the authority of them to the beast they are giving.
17 For the God had given into the hearts of them to do the purpose/gnwmhn <1106> of Him and to do one purpose/gnwmhn <1106> and to give the Kingdom of them to the beast until shall be being *finish* the words/*declarations of the God.


1106. gnome gno'-may from 1097; cognition, i.e. (subjectively) opinion, or (objectively) resolve (counsel, consent, etc.):--advice, + agree, judgment, mind, purpose, will.

It's all good news too, no-one can claim that "God gave them [us] up to a debased mind, and to things that should not be done." (Rom. 1:28)
Wrong kind of mind (nous). Hooray for non-divinely ordered debased minds

DL can join in too

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It's all good news too, no-one can claim that "God gave them [us] up to a debased mind, and to things that should not be done." (Rom. 1:28)
Wrong kind of mind (nous). Hooray for non-divinely ordered debased minds

At the risk of appearing "anti-RC" I could write in the view the SDAs and Luther have

LLOJ ducks for cover!!

Reve 17:12 And the ten horns which thou saw are ten kings, who-any a Kingdom not yet received, but authority as kings one hour they are receiving with the beast. [Acts 1:6?]
13 these[Protestants/Reformers] are having one purpose/gnwmhn <1106> and the power and the authority of them to the beast [RCC/Papacy] they are giving.

http://www.christianforums.com/t6814752-86/#post43249406
Martin Luther identifies the Antichrist over 500 years ago!

 

[Mr Dave]

Indeed.

Ecumenism and Christian unity in action

 

[Mr Dave]

At the risk of appearing "anti-RC" I could write in the view the SDAs and Luther have

LLOJ ducks for cover!!

Reve 17:12 And the ten horns which thou saw are ten kings, who-any a Kingdom not yet received, but authority as kings one hour they are receiving with the beast. [Acts 1:6?]
13 these[Protestants/Reformers] are having one purpose/gnwmhn <1106> and the power and the authority of them to the beast [RCC/Papacy] they are giving.

http://www.christianforums.com/t6814752-86/#post43249406
Martin Luther identifies the Antichrist over 500 years ago!

Flying shoes comin' right at'cha

 

[Fireinfolding]

 

[shinbits]

How did that work?

Did Jesus write it? or the Holy Ghost? Or Yahweh?

The Holy Spirit inspired men to write it.

 

[shinbits]

Yes.



Where are you getting this notion from? The writings of Scriptures are secretarial dictations? So God was the one doing all the missionary work, he himself was walking from place to place as the greetings of the letters say? This, to me, seems to be a fanciful notion on your part rather than grounded in empirical or theological evidence.

If I said someone had speed like a mongoose, would you take that to mean there's a human being that walks on all fours and has a tail? Use your common sense, that was just a simple metaphor.

Revelation 1:1:

1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw&#8212;that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.


The passage clearly says that God gave John a revelation to write down. Perfect theological evidence for what I said.

"God-breathed" means at best inspired. It does not mean God had a bunch of secretaries penning his exact thoughts down.

No one said that. I originally was going to type that God used people to write the Bible much like people use a pen. It seems that you would've said something stupid like "Oh, so God is picking people up and squeezing ink out of them??? WHERE DO YOU GET THIS DOCTRINE FROM???"

Please. Use your head.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*

Please. Use your head.

Give it time

Reve 13:3 And one, out of the heads/f of it, as having been slain/slaughtered/esfagmenhn <4969> (5772)F into death,
and the blow of the death of it was healed, and marvels whole the land behind of the beast.

 

[Dark_Lite]

If I said someone had speed like a mongoose, would you take that to mean there's a human being that walks on all fours and has a tail? Use your common sense, that was just a simple metaphor.

Revelation 1:1:

1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.


The passage clearly says that God gave John a revelation to write down.


No one said that. I originally was going to type that God used people to write the Bible much like people use a pen. It seems that you would've said something stupid like "Oh, so God is picking people up and squeezing ink out them??? WHERE DO YOU GET THIS DOCTRINE FROM???"

Please. Use your head.

You quite specifically said God used the men who wrote the Bible like someone dictating a message to a secretary in order to justify your claim that God wrote the Bible. I don't know if you're trying to cover that up with another analogy or what.

God did not write the Bible. There is a very large difference between divine inspiration and divine dictation. There are certain parts of the Bible that contain direct revelation from God, and you have already shown most of them. But none of them were written by God, dictated or otherwise. The closest you can get is Revelation and the Ten Commandments. That does not account for the rest of the majority of Scripture, which does not give any textual evidence that it was dictated by God directly to its authors.

 

[Mr Dave]

If I said someone had speed like a mongoose, would you take that to mean there's a human being that walks on all fours and has a tail? Use your common sense, that was just a simple metaphor.

Revelation 1:1:

1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw&#8212;that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.


The passage clearly says that God gave John a revelation to write down. Perfect theological evidence for what I said.


No one said that. I originally was going to type that God used people to write the Bible much like people use a pen. It seems that you would've said something stupid like "Oh, so God is picking people up and squeezing ink out of them??? WHERE DO YOU GET THIS DOCTRINE FROM???"

Please. Use your head.

You've changed your position.
Firstly you said,

*snip* God wrote the Bible.*snip*

but now you seem to be moving towards agreeing with the rest of us that the scriptures are God-breathed through the medium of man.

 

[shinbits]

You quite specifically said God used the men who wrote the Bible like someone dictating a message to a secretary in order to justify your claim that God wrote the Bible. I don't know if you're trying to cover that up with another analogy or what.

Again, use your head. If wanted to say God was dictating things word for word, I would've just said that instead of using a simile.

God did not write the Bible. There is a very large difference between divine inspiration and divine dictation. There are certain parts of the Bible that contain direct revelation from God, and you have already shown most of them. But none of them were written by God, dictated or otherwise. The closest you can get is Revelation and the Ten Commandments. That does not account for the rest of the majority of Scripture, which does not give any textual evidence that it was dictated by God directly to its authors.

So basically, you're giving man credit for writing the Bible. No wonder Catholicism disregards it and makes up whatever it wants.

 

[MrPolo]

The rest, God used men to write, the same way someone uses a secretary to take down dictation, like John did in Revelation 1:1.

God respected Paul's humanity enough to have him write the following:

1 Cor 7:25 Now concerning the unmarried, I have no command of the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy.

1 Cor 1:16 I did baptize also the household of Steph'anas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any one else.​

 

[shinbits]

You've changed your position.
Firstly you said,


but now you seem to be moving towards agreeing with the rest of us that the scriptures are God-breathed through the medium of man.

Oh really?

Once you realize that God wrote the Bible, NOT the humans God USED to write it, then it becomes clear why the Bible is the ultimate authority.

My position has always been the same; that God wrote the Bible, but He just used humans to do it. Nothing's changed.

 

[shinbits]

God respected Paul's humanity enough to have him write the following:

Note how even YOU acknowledge that God decides what will be in the Bible or not. Thus, my original point stands: God approved every word that would be in the Bible, making God the author of it.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Note how even YOU acknowledge that God decides what will be in the Bible or not. Thus, my original point stands: God approved every word that would be in the Bible, making God the author of it.

Editor would be a more appropriate term. Unless you think editors that work at publishing companies are the authors of the book because they approve every word in the work?

 

[shinbits]

It's sad how even after being shown clearly shown two places where God was directly behind the Bible (Revelation, Ten Commandments), Catholics here STILL argue against God being ultimately responsible for the words in the Bible.

But I guess it's no surprise, seeing how so much of Catholic doctrine contradicts the Bible.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It's sad how even after being shown clearly shown two places where God was directly behind the Bible (Revelation, Ten Commandments), Catholics here STILL argue against God being ultimately responsible for the words in the Bible.

But I guess it's no surprise, seeing how so much of Catholic doctrine contradicts the Bible.

That is what the GT board is for

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870602-88/#post43628407
Roman church errors and inventions