The Bereans

[Mr Dave]

I have always been confused on that myself

http://www.christianforums.com/t5633743/
What is the true definition of Sola Scriptura?

Let me throw Prima Scriptura out as another alternative, Prima scriptura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[shinbits]

That's only a valid objection if you assume Sola Scriptura is true in the first place. If you accept Tradition then it makes perfect sense. The canon of the Bible is not mentioned in the Bible. You'd think something that important for Sola Scriptura would have been mentioned in the Bible.

...See where that's going?

sola scriptura allows for other sources, so it's not a problem.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*
I have heard some people refer to Scripture alone and complete rejection of all other things as "Solo Scriptura." However, I don't know if that's accurate.

That is what I fall under.

What the heck! This thread is closed also!!!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7488934/
Is SOLO Scriptura Scriptural? (2)

 

[Dark_Lite]

sola scriptura allows for other sources, so it's not a problem.

Then you wind up with circular logic. It's a valid doctrine because Scripture says it is. What makes up Scripture? An external authority is required to determine what is and what is not Scripture. But then we deign to deny that external authority once Scripture was created.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Then you wind up with circular logic. It's a valid doctrine because Scripture says it is. What makes up Scripture? An external authority is required to determine what is and what is not Scripture. But then we deign to deny that external authority once Scripture was created.

Such as the RCCs Papacy?

 

[shinbits]

Then you wind up with circular logic. It's a valid doctrine because Scripture says it is. What makes up Scripture? An external authority is required to determine what is and what is not Scripture. But then we deign to deny that external authority once Scripture was created.

It's not circular logic, because all Scripture comes from God. If you need proof, ask your church.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Such as the RCCs Papacy?

Well I would generalize it to the teaching authority of the Church, but yes basically.

It's not circular logic, because all Scripture comes from God. If you need proof, ask your church.

Comes from God through humans. As far as we can tell, from a completely a-religious PoV, it was a bunch of humans that decided what went into the Bible.

 

[shinbits]

Comes from God through humans. As far as we can tell, from a completely a-religious PoV, it was a bunch of humans that decided what went into the Bible.

but we're not "a-religious". from a Christian point of view, God wrote the Bible. so saying the Bible is the ultimate authority because Scripture says so, isn't circular. unless, of course, you're not a Christian.

 

[Dark_Lite]

but we're not "a-religious". from a Christian point of view, God wrote the Bible. so saying the Bible is the ultimate authority because Scripture says so, isn't circular. unless, of course, you're not a Christian.

Humans inspired by God wrote the Bible. An important difference. The problem is that even if Scripture says Scripture is the ultimate authority (which it doesn't), you are still left with determining what goes into Scripture. The objection was to show the general futility of "if it was so important, it would be in the Bible." It wasn't really directed at any other particular point.

The canon is quite possibly the most important thing for Sola Scriptura, and it's definitely not in the Bible. There is no Sacred Table of Contents or Holy Index of Relevant Texts.

 

[Mr Dave]

but we're not "a-religious". from a Christian point of view, God wrote the Bible. so saying the Bible is the ultimate authority because Scripture says so, isn't circular. unless, of course, you're not a Christian.

To be fair, God didn't write the Bible. The closest scripture comes to anything of the sort is the 2 Tim verse which means God-breathed. This is still through the medium of man though. No-where does scripture or anything else suggest God picked up a pen or pencil and scribbled down some words, Not even through Jesus, but only through those who have only one nature, human.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

To be fair, God didn't write the Bible. The closest scripture comes to anything of the sort is the 2 Tim verse which means God-breathed. This is still through the medium of man though. No-where does scripture or anything else suggest God picked up a pen or pencil and scribbled down some words, Not even through Jesus, but only through those who have only one nature, human.

Jesus used His finger in John 8

http://www.christianforums.com/t4724863-6/#post31423599
John 8 and Jesus writing in the Dirt

John 8:6 This yet they said trying Him, that they may be having to be accusing of Him.
The yet Jesus down-stooping, to the finger wrote into the ground.
7 As yet they persisted asking Him, He up-bends and said toward them "The sinless-one of ye first the stone on her let be casting"!
8 And again down-stooping He wrote into the ground.
[Daniel 5:25]

 

[shinbits]

Humans inspired by God wrote the Bible. An important difference. The problem is that even if Scripture says Scripture is the ultimate authority (which it doesn't), you are still left with determining what goes into Scripture. The objection was to show the general futility of "if it was so important, it would be in the Bible." It wasn't really directed at any other particular point.

You're wrong. God determines what goes into Scripture, not humans. Once people start taking credit for God's word (like Catholics do with the NT) then you open the door to say the Bible is less than what it is, thus needing outside sources or "tradition".

Once you realize that God wrote the Bible, NOT the humans God USED to write it, then it becomes clear why the Bible is the ultimate authority.

The canon is quite possibly the most important thing for Sola Scriptura, and it's definitely not in the Bible. There is no Sacred Table of Contents or Holy Index of Relevant Texts.

Doesn't matter. God cannonized the Bible. So we're good.

 

[Dark_Lite]

You're wrong. God determines what goes into Scripture, not humans. Once people start taking credit for God's word (like Catholics do with the NT) then you open the door to say the Bible is less than what it is, thus needing outside sources or "tradition".

Once you realize that God wrote the Bible, NOT the humans God USED to write it, then it becomes clear why the Bible is the ultimate authority.


Doesn't matter. God cannonized the Bible. So we're good.

Please show me in Scripture where God wrote the Bible.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well folkz, I am going to withdraw from this thread and just lurk as it appears my posts are not being responded to......

 

[Mr Dave]

Well folkz, I am going to withdraw from this thread and just lurk as it appears my posts are not being responded to......

Don't go, although it seems the writing's on the wall with this thread

 

[shinbits]

Please show me in Scripture where God wrote the Bible.

One place is in Exodus, when God Himself wrote the Ten Commandments on stone tablets. God wrote those directly. The rest, God used men to write, the same way someone uses a secretary to take down dictation, like John did in Revelation 1:1.

Also, this:

2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is God-breathed"

Peace.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Don't go, although it seems the writing's on the wall with this thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7496252/#post55651824

Daniel 5:24 In-then before-him being-sent the-fingertip, that of the-hand and-the-writing, the-this, being-signified
25 And this the writing that being signified: 'Mene', Mene', T@qal , P@rac'.
26 This interpretation of matter-the account/Mene' he-accounted 'Elahh-the kingdom of the, and he balanced her'.
27 T@qal/weighing thou were weighed in the scales and thou were found lacking'.
28 P@rac/Bisecting she is bisected kingdom of thee and she was granted to-Maday and-Parac'.
[John 8?]

 

[Mr Dave]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7496252/#post55651824

Daniel 5:24 In-then before-him being-sent the-fingertip, that of the-hand and-the-writing, the-this, being-signified
25 And this the writing that being signified: 'Mene', Mene', T@qal , P@rac'.
26 This interpretation of matter-the account/Mene' he-accounted 'Elahh-the kingdom of the, and he balanced her'.
27 T@qal/weighing thou were weighed in the scales and thou were found lacking'.
28 P@rac/Bisecting she is bisected kingdom of thee and she was granted to-Maday and-Parac'.
[John 8?]

:o You saw right through my attempt at being comical haha.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Once you realize that God wrote the Bible, NOT the humans God USED to write it, then it becomes clear why the Bible is the ultimate authority.

How did that work?

Did Jesus write it? or the Holy Ghost? Or Yahweh?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

:o You saw right through my attempt at being comical haha.

We both seem to be of one "mind" here

Reve 17:12 And the ten horns which thou saw are ten kings, who-any a Kingdom not yet received, but authority as kings one hour they are receiving with the beast. [Acts 1:6?]
13 these are having one purpose/gnwmhn <1106> and the power and the authority of them to the beast they are giving.
17 For the God had given into the hearts of them to do the purpose/gnwmhn <1106> of Him and to do one purpose/gnwmhn <1106> and to give the Kingdom of them to the beast until shall be being *finish* the words/*declarations of the God.

1106. gnome gno'-may from 1097; cognition, i.e. (subjectively) opinion, or (objectively) resolve (counsel, consent, etc.):--advice, + agree, judgment, mind, purpose, will.