What if Mary appeared to you? [MOVED TO MARIOLOGY]

[Frogster]

Me personally, I would rebuke it in Jesus name!

 

[Dark_Lite]

Me personally, I would rebuke it in Jesus name!

Why not test the revelation against Scripture and see if it's genuine or not?

And it's fun to know that you think any Marian apparition is demonic. Gives a sense of where you're coming from.

 

[Frogster]

Why not test the revelation against Scripture and see if it's genuine or not?

And it's fun to know that you think any Marian apparition is demonic. Gives a sense of where you're coming from.

I make no bones about it. Well..what would u do?

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

Why not test the revelation against Scripture and see if it's genuine or not?

Has anyone ever done that? like those three Children that supposedly saw Mary..did they test her? no..I don't think ANYONE ever try's and test Mary whenever she supposedly shows up.

 

[simonthezealot]

Why not test the revelation against Scripture and see if it's genuine or not?

i'm with froggy, for if an angel why not Mary...
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light

 

[Jakihe]

Me personally, I would rebuke it in Jesus name!

I was thinking the same thing!

 

[Frogster]

Has anyone ever done that? like those three Children that supposedly saw Mary..did they test her? no..I don't think ANYONE ever try's and test Mary whenever she supposedly shows up.

i'm with froggy, for if an angel why not Mary...
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light

I was thinking the same thing!

..one for each of you sound minded people!

 

[Dark_Lite]

I make no bones about it. Well..what would u do?

Private revelation? Test it against Scripture and the beliefs of the Church. Not dismiss it as demonic so I can feel good about my ill-conceived misconceptions about Catholicism! The Church rarely confirms private revelation for a good reason.

Has anyone ever done that? like those three Children that supposedly saw Mary..did they test her? no..I don't think ANYONE ever try's and test Mary whenever she supposedly shows up.

It's the Catholic Church. Theology is a science. See Medugorje. That's a modern "vision" for you right there, and it's under investigation. The consensus is slowly moving towards the negative position.

i'm with froggy, for if an angel why not Mary...
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light

So what about other visions in history, and throughout the Bible? Were those of Satan too? I doubt you'll say yes. The only reason you say yes here is because it allows to you object to something that Catholicism teaches.

..one for each of you sound minded people!

Also good to know you think people that believe in the veracity of some Marian apparitions are not of sound mind. It makes your position even clearer.

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

It's the Catholic Church. Theology is a science. See Medugorje. That's a modern "vision" for you right there, and it's under investigation. The consensus is slowly moving towards the negative position.

If I'm wrong in assuming this, then you may correct me. But would I be wrong in saying that what the Church investigates is if she is actually APPEARING? I mean..does anyone ever try talking to "her" asking her stuff to try and determine if the apparition is of God in the first place? Proving the apparition showed up is one thing..determining if its of God is an entirely different ball game IMHO. I also don't think you are of unsound mind. People believe things that others don't understand..doesn't make you crazy.


Edit: I'm aware of Mejugori as well a friend who visited that place gave me a rosary that was blessed by some priest over there.

 

[Dark_Lite]

If I'm wrong in assuming this, then you may correct me. But would I be wrong in saying that what the Church investigates is if she is actually APPEARING? I mean..does anyone ever try talking to "her" asking her stuff to try and determine if the apparition is of God in the first place? Proving the apparition showed up is one thing..determining if its of God is an entirely different ball game IMHO.

The apparitions have supposedly been happening since the 80s. The investigation going on right now is to determine if they are of God or not. Consensus is leaning towards the negative. There's been some weird ideas and beliefs that have come out of Medugorje. I don't follow it myself too much, so I can't give you specifics. I know the bishop has barred large organized trips to the shrine though.

I also don't think you are of unsound mind. People believe things that others don't understand..doesn't make you crazy.

You weren't the one who said that. Your position is the one I would expect.

 

[simonthezealot]

So what about other visions in history, and throughout the Bible? Were those of Satan too? I doubt you'll say yes. The only reason you say yes here is because it allows to you object to something that Catholicism teaches.

cite a couple examples and i'll give you my insight.

 

[Dark_Lite]

cite a couple examples and i'll give you my insight.

Let's start in the Bible.

Gabriel appearing to Mary for the annunciation of Christ.
The numerous apparitions of Christ in the New Testament.
The numerous visions/voices/other supernatural experiences the apostles and disciples had after the ascension.

I am assuming you will say these are of God. I'd like a better explanation than "it's in the Bible" though.

 

[simonthezealot]

Let's start in the Bible.

Gabriel appearing to Mary for the annunciation of Christ.
The numerous apparitions of Christ in the New Testament.
The numerous visions/voices/other supernatural experiences the apostles and disciples had after the ascension.

I am assuming you will say these are of God. I'd like a better explanation than "it's in the Bible" though.

So we have an angel, a messenger servant of God.
and then Christ Himself.

Let's find something a lil closer, find a normal human appearing to a earthly human, we'll take it from there.

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

The apparitions have supposedly been happening since the 80s. The investigation going on right now is to determine if they are of God or not. Consensus is leaning towards the negative. There's been some weird ideas and beliefs that have come out of Medugorje. I don't follow it myself too much, so I can't give you specifics. I know the bishop has barred large organized trips to the shrine though.

Alright I see, the Church not only determines if the Apperation is actually happening but also checks to see if the teachings or "words" coming from this apperation actually line up with Catholic teachings? Understandable, but the Church never actually gives 100% conformation to anything does it? I know that most Marian apperations are considered to be of a personal devotion, and that anything said can either be ignored or adhered to, so would this mean, that the Church never actually gives 100% assurances?

 

[Dark_Lite]

So we have an angel, a messenger servant of God.
and then Christ Himself.

Ah, not so fast. Satan can appear as an angel of light remember? And is it possible that as lowly humans the apostles were deceived by Satan into thinking Christ was among them? How do you know the visions they received are authentic?

These are important foundational questions that cannot be brushed aside.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Alright I see, the Church not only determines if the Apperation is actually happening but also checks to see if the teachings or "words" coming from this apperation actually line up with Catholic teachings? Understandable, but the Church never actually gives 100% conformation to anything does it? I know that most Marian apperations are considered to be of a personal devotion, and that anything said can either be ignored or adhered to, so would this mean, that the Church never actually gives 100% assurances?

Some of the apparitions I think are 100% approved. Fatima is definitely one of them, as it shaped Catholicism for most of the 20th century (particularly the whole consecration of Russia thing). But, many private revelations and apparitions are not confirmed. And some, as in the case of Medugorje, are disputed and possibly condemned.

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

Some of the apparitions I think are 100% approved. Fatima is definitely one of them, as it shaped Catholicism for most of the 20th century (particularly the whole consecration of Russia thing). But, many private revelations and apparitions are not confirmed. And some, as in the case of Medugorje, are disputed and possibly condemned.

100% approved so what was said in Fatima..is that spiritually binding for all Catholics then? Especially if it comes from the Mother you all honor so greatly?

 

[simonthezealot]

Ah, not so fast. Satan can appear as an angel of light remember? And is it possible that as lowly humans the apostles were deceived by Satan into thinking Christ was among them? How do you know the visions they received are authentic?

These are important foundational questions that cannot be brushed aside.

These sound like fodder for agnostics.
Let's first stay focused on my quesstion,
Please share a situation where humans appeared to earthly humans.

 

[Dark_Lite]

100% approved so what was said in Fatima..is that spiritually binding for all Catholics then? Especially if it comes from the Mother you all honor so greatly?

It would actually appear that Fatima is not spiritually binding: Our Lady of Fátima - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, it was declared "worthy of belief." So, no--it is not required belief, but it is endorsed by the Church as an allowed belief. And given the way Fatima shaped the Church in the 20th century it's safe to say that much of the hierarchy believed/believes it to be true.

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

These sound like fodder for agnostics.
Let's first stay focused on my quesstion,
Please share a situation where humans appeared to earthly humans.

can't remember the name sorry..but the guy that got conjured up by a witch cuz some king needed his advice...its in the Old Testament... hehe.helpful right? lol.