Proposition 8 overturned in California

[Ar Cosc]

Same old tired Reader's Digest Infidels and Freethinkers rant? I was an atheist ALL through my school years and never once heard a peep from the Sheep. I had long hair, was skinny and the best rock singer in the surrounding ten counties. And I LIVED the lifestyle.

Never a Christian anti-intellectual tirade from any smarty pants Fundy. And they littered the land all around me. They wouldn't dare as I had aLL of the goofy atheist talking points down pat. The Christian Fundy that got me free thinking was the father of a babe I was trying to nail.

So your experience (which conveniently just happens to crop up now) negates any experience anyone else might have had? That's some good free thinking!

Prop 8 overturned.

(I thought I'd write in your language for that fact.)

You can't just write three words without explanation. You have to actually explain why Prop 8 being overturned is oppressing christians. Believe it or not, there's actually a subtle difference between allowing gays to have civil partnerships, and having these imaginary "Gay supremacists" raping your children

 

[Zaac]

I don't want a thread on it. I want to know what you think. The approximate age you give for the age of the universe will give me insight into your stance on same-sex marriage, and hence Prop 8. It's a simple question that you have so far refused to answer, derailing the thread far more than my asking the question in the first place. So just answer. It's a number. I'll even give you two approximate answers: is it closer to
(a) 6000 years, or
(b) 13,000,000,000 years?

Failure to provide your answer (either a or b) will be secret code for you to admit to being an active homosexual.

I'm a man of God. You already know where I stand.

 

[onemorequestion]

I don't think so. There are still plenty of people who discriminate against, and persecute immigrants, women, and racial minorities throughout much of Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, and other southern states.

Yawn.

South Carolina is becoming the Mecca of Gay vacations. So I hear from my gay friends. I bet I know why.

Y'know, the Bible Belt, home of the Moral Majority.

No, I don't know that. The Moral majority for Christians is some countries in Africa. Christianity is not an American or European religion. I know that probably comes as a shock to your talking points style comebacks though. But look it up. Roman Judea is not an Island in Europe, nor is it scandanavian.

They are hardly being made to suffer for their attitudes, and failure to submit to the social pressures of equality that most of us would push on them. It tends to be something of a boon for politicians from this area.

The southern politicians cheating on their wives? Which politicians are you referring to?

Christian holiness comes from actions and not speeaches.

And yes, I know either can be considered a hate crime if we dare mention them in public.

Like Jesus said quoted in Matthew:

18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

(May Jesus excuse my use of pearls here.)

 

[Ar Cosc]

Yawn.

South Carolina is becoming the Mecca of Gay vacations. So I hear from my gay friends. I bet I know why.

I find it very hard to believe you have any gay friends, given your attitude to gay people in general. A shining example being your comment in this very post, where you believe the "moral majority" is in African countries, some of whom want to introduce the death penalty for gays

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Like Jesus said quoted in Matthew:

18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.


(May Jesus excuse my use of pearls here.)

Delusions of persecution?

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

I cannot seek to win an argument which nature and morality has already won.

Nature...you mean like the birds and the bees and stuff? You know birds practice homosexuality right?

 

[JGG]

Yawn.

Yeah, who cares about them racial minorities!?

South Carolina is becoming the Mecca of Gay vacations. So I hear from my gay friends. I bet I know why.

Golf?

No, I don't know that. The Moral majority for Christians is some countries in Africa. Christianity is not an American or European religion. I know that probably comes as a shock to your talking points style comebacks though. But look it up. Roman Judea is not an Island in Europe, nor is it scandanavian.

No, but American Christianity is...somewhat unique, compared to what is practiced in most countries. However, you apparently missed my point.

The southern politicians cheating on their wives? Which politicians are you referring to?

The racist ones.

Christian holiness comes from actions and not speeaches.

And what actions are taken here?

And yes, I know either can be considered a hate crime if we dare mention them in public.

Again, I believe you missed the point.

Like Jesus said quoted in Matthew:



(May Jesus excuse my use of pearls here.)

And this is what I don't get: If you're so concerned about not casting pearls before swine, and Jesus told you not to, why waste so much time, energy, and resources on "saving" gay people who don't want to be saved?

 

[Jase]

Jesus Came not to destroy what has been , but to fulfill them. There is actually a verse in the bible which says that a man shall not have sexual relation with a man as he does with a woman ,for that is perversion.

Actually, in Hebrew the verse says a man shall not force himself upon another man, as he does a woman. It's referring to rape, most likely in a pagan ritual setting.

 

[onemorequestion]

So your experience (which conveniently just happens to crop up now) negates any experience anyone else might have had? That's some good free thinking!

Spoken like an open-minded socialist. Yeeeeaaaahhhh.

So one gay experience redefines marriage forever? Guess again.

HEY, timeout. You don't know any ladies that speak with a Geordie accent do you? Baaayyyyyyaaaabeeeeeee!

OK, back to the battle. Why is it that all atheist freethinkers are all exactly alike? On everything!!

You can't just write three words without explanation.

I was writing in onelienerese to the guy that speaks that language. Not you.

You have to actually explain why Prop 8 being overturned is oppressing christians.

It has outlawed them. That's oppression. No longer can Christians ever speak out in public and that includes schools. They are oppressed 100% by Gay power. But you socialists know that.

Believe it or not, there's actually a subtle difference between allowing gays to have civil partnerships,

Civil parnerships? That's intolerance. They demand full marriage sir. Any dissent of that anywhere is a crime.

and having these imaginary "Gay supremacists" raping your children

Ever heard the phrase "Turned out?" It's a gay term.

Why were homosexuals not allowed in Greek schools when homosexuality was very accepted? Ever studied Greek history? Don't bother. It is reforming right before our eyes.

 

[onemorequestion]

Actually, in Hebrew the verse says a man shall not force himself upon another man, as he does a woman. It's referring to rape, most likely in a pagan ritual setting.

Your theological/biblical opinion there, has been shatterd to pieces over and over again in Christian sections of this website. Many times by me.

But still you plod on.

The Agenda uber alles.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

onemorequestion, I'd much appreciate a reply to this.

 

[Gishin]

Usually my one liners either make sense or poke fun. You've got a lot of work before you reach my expertise.

 

[Jase]

Might I suggest we all stop feeding the trolls.

 

[Ar Cosc]

Spoken like an open-minded socialist. Yeeeeaaaahhhh.

Em... What? You said that based on your experience, discrimination against gays didn't exist. Someone else posted their experience. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

So one gay experience redefines marriage forever? Guess again.

It's not just one gay experience, just like it wasn't just one interracial experience.

HEY, timeout. You don't know any ladies that speak with a Geordie accent do you? Baaayyyyyyaaaabeeeeeee!

OK, back to the battle. Why is it that all atheist freethinkers are all exactly alike? On everything!!

We're not exactly alike on everything, and I'm sure you know that. You have social and fiscal conservatives, socialists, facists, libertarians, Stalin, Richard Dawkins, me... Our opinions on things all differ, so put away that strawman

It has outlawed them. That's oppression. No longer can Christians ever speak out in public and that includes schools. They are oppressed 100% by Gay power. But you socialists know that.

It has not outlawed them. Which part of a civil partnership act contravenes free speech? Answers on a post card

Civil parnerships? That's intolerance. They demand full marriage sir. Any dissent of that anywhere is a crime.

No it's not. Strawman. Very few gay people demand that churches be forced to marry them, they just want rights such as visitation rights, and combined tax returns, which are often denied to them. You're going to run out of straw at this rate

Ever heard the phrase "Turned out?" It's a gay term.

I can guess at its meaning, and I can also tell you it has nothing to do with 99% of gay people, and even less with the issue at hand.

Why were homosexuals not allowed in Greek schools when homosexuality was very accepted? Ever studied Greek history? Don't bother. It is reforming right before our eyes.

I know plenty about Greek history, more than enough to know that it was not a perfect society, nor the worst that has ever existed, and I certainly know that it didn't collapse because of homosexuality

 

[Zaac]

I find it hard to believe the SCOTUS wouldn't take such a landmark case. Especially since they set the precedent for interracial marriage. Just seems like no one will be happy with the rulings until the SCOTUS weighs in.

Of course, I can't think of any legal argument they would make that would stray from what this federal judge has stated. The anti-gay side has no valid argument.

I personally think the Walker's ruling will be overturned by the SCOTUS. Not by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals because they are entirely too liberal.

I believe it was the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals that wrote "...To our knowledge no justice of the Supreme Court has suggested that a state statute or constitutional provision codifying the traditional definition of marriage violates the Equal Protection Clause or any other provision in the United States Constitution," -Chief Judge James Loken

And since an Appellate Court has already ruled on the issue, the 9th Circuit Court would have to agree with the lower court ruling in order for it to go to SCOTUS.

 

[Ar Cosc]

Might I suggest we all stop feeding the trolls.

An excellent suggestion. Goodbye, bigots.

 

[Zaac]

Actually, in Hebrew the verse says a man shall not force himself upon another man, as he does a woman. It's referring to rape, most likely in a pagan ritual setting.

What verse are you talking about because I haven't seen any Hebrew that says that?

 

[Sojourner1]

I happen to live in California and I personally don't think our state is that much different than the rest of the states in America. The issue of same-sex marriage isn't isolated only to California. Same-sex marriage is legal is Iowa for goodness sakes, as well as Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, and the District of Columbia. If your state doesn't allow gay marriage right now I'm sure you will continue to see the subject come up every time you go to the polling booth. It's really only a matter of time before the entire country allows gay marriage.

Quite honestly I'm really tired of the whole thing. There are some things that are worth fighting for, such as ending abortion, but fighting gay marriage just isn't on the top of my list. Do I believe that same-sex marriage should be allowed? No. If it comes up on the ballot again I will vote against it. But I won't picket or actively campaign against it. I will always vote in accordance with the word of God.

If gay marriage is allowed it won't really bother me that much. I don't believe that two people of the same-sex are married in the eyes of God. They may have a certificate that says they are married, have all the same rights as a married heterosexual couple, and change the definition of marriage as it has been defined to this point in time...a union between one man and one woman. I don't think any leader of a church should be required to marry a same-sex couple. I hope it doesn't ever get to that point. If they want to get married they should go ahead and get married. I will, however, never personally recognize their marriage as what God intended marriage to be.

 

[Jase]

What verse are you talking about because I haven't seen any Hebrew that says that?

That's because you think the English translation is perfect, so you refuse to learn.

 

[Zaac]

That's because you think the English translation is perfect, so you refuse to learn.

I didn't ask you about the English translation. I asked about the Hebrew. So what verse? I 'll translate it myself because you seem to be misleading folks.