zeke37
IMO...
[quote oscarr]Obviously that is the level of your faith. Nothing wrong with that. The problem is when you dictate to others what their faith should be concerning the gifts of the Spirit.
you now claim my faith is at a lower level than yours...
you imply that you faith is higher because you receive the so called Gift.
shame. if that alone does not get you to re-think your position, not much will
if I heard a sermon in french, I would not even know when to say Amen,
That's what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14... No problems with that.
unles it was interpreted for me by someone that spoke both french and English tongues
Absolutely! That's why Paul strong advocated that if people wanted to speak in tongues in a personal way to God without interpretation, they should do it in private with God.
Paul never said what you think he said.
what he teaches is that if no translater is present,
to translate your (let's say Hebrew) tongue
into the audiences (let's say Greek) tongue,
then keep silent...
do not confuse the others with your foreign (unknown) tongue
they won't even know when to say AMEN...
no one would understand you...
you'd be speaking to the wind....
you'd be as a barbarian to them....and they to you
huh???
what has this to do with tongues?
The question was that does tongues make us better Christians? My answer was my way of saying "no". Using a spanner does not make a mechanic better or worse. It is his basic training and experience that determines how good he is. Actually there is no such thing as a bad, good, or better Christian. There is only one level.
yet you put "faith" on "levels" earlier in your post???what has this to do with tongues?
The question was that does tongues make us better Christians? My answer was my way of saying "no". Using a spanner does not make a mechanic better or worse. It is his basic training and experience that determines how good he is. Actually there is no such thing as a bad, good, or better Christian. There is only one level.
We are all debtors to grace and no one has been born again better than anyone else. Distinctions between the quality of Christians is a fleshly man thought up idea based on some thinking they are better than the common herd and who think they have the right to judge others.
either could I...
but I don't know why anyone
would want to mumble ecstatic charismatic prayer to God either...
seeing He understands English and all tongues.
but you guys can leave it to chance if ya wanna
My view about your last comment is that if God has not given you the revelation about the usefulness and purpose of the gift of tongues, then God is with holding from you. He is not meaning for you to have it. It is not one of the spiritual tools that He is providing you. I don't have any problem with that
Now God is withholding from me...!!!
lol. see what your tradition does?
Actually, it is the same when we try to witness to a sinner and they show no interest in our message. It is because God has bypassed that person and is going to leave the person to face judgement and condemnation. It probably means that God has not elected that person for salvation anyway. The invitation goes out to all mankind, but only those whom God has elected will actually be saved.
there would be no point to life
if God had already predetermined who was saved and who is not...
but that is for another thread.
sure, God predetermined SOME....to further His plan.
the elect
but they have earned the predestination already,
(again for another thread)
so the rest can come to God, if they so CHOOSE.
every single individual that has ever lived or will ever live,
will be given the oppertunity for Salvation,
else Christ did not die for us ALL.
and we know He did. even the murderers.
So, if you don't believe in Pentecostal/Charismatic theology, then it means that God is not wanting you to enter into that type of Christianity.
It is a matter of living and working within God's will for our lives. This does not mean though that we can dictate to all Christians that the Pentecostal way is wrong in general.
Jesus Himself did,
as did Paul and the rest of the disciples/apostles.
How many times did Christ and Paul correct folks
especially those in religious authority????
There are many thousands of Christians where it is correct and in God's will for them to express their Christian faith in that way. And who is qualified to judge them negatively?
whole thoughts, not a line here or there...
IOW, the entire chapter is about the same basic subject and it is not chrismatic ecstatic tongues.
Just to change the subject a little: I have noticed that one or two are criticising you in a negative way for your views. My view is that what is said on this thread is fair debate, and personal issues should not enter into it. You have the right to have your own brand of faith and maintain your own position about what you believe and practice.
So I think that you can safely ignore the implication that you may not be right with God because you have a contrary view to some. I don't share that judgment of you.
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