Is homosexuality a sin?

[BigBadWlf]

Sexual preference is what it is. . . . can't be sinful, could be a mental illness until homosexuals got it taken off the books (actually just one book, the DSM). in this modern era where homosexuality is no longer listed among the neurosis, homosexuality hasn't changed in its causes and nature.

Please try to research your claims before you post them.

The APA removed homosexuality from the DSM because no one could present evidence showing that it is a mental illness. Homosexuality does not fit even the broadest definition of a mental illness.

It is also important to note that nearly 40 years later no one has ever been able to present evidence indicating that homosexuality is a mental illness

 

[BigBadWlf]

If it helps you sleep at night, you can cling to that. Fact of the matter is, homosexuality is a mental illness & homosexual activity is a sin.

Please demonstrate just how homosexuality is a mental illness

 

[Macx]

So mental illness is a sin? Is this your point?

Um, no. I have said throughout the thread that homosexuality is a mental illness, acting on it is a sin. It is very much like being homophobic is a mental illness, but killing people for being gay is a crime. Mental illness is not a crime, but sometimes acting on it is.

Please demonstrate just how homosexuality is a mental illness

Well:

Neurosis is a class of functional mental disorders involving distress but neither delusions nor hallucinations, whereby behavior is not outside socially acceptable norms.

More specifically it is a paraphilia. Of course it is wrong to demean people for having a mental disorder & to a large extent I believe people who say homosexuality is not a mental disorder do exactly that. . . as if it was something to be ashamed of.

 

[LittleNipper]

you are ignoring the basic facts about HIV/AIDS…including the fact that it was originally a heterosexual disease and has always primarily affected heterosexuals. The vast majority of individuals infected with HIV/AIDS are heterosexuals

On a similar note African American’s suffer disproportionately not only form HIV/AIDS they also have shorter life expectancy, greater rates of heart disease, cardiovascular disuse, and cancer…do these facts make racism acceptable?

No, but it certainly says something about alternate lifestyles.

They are not equally healthy, desirous, or something to encourage.

 

[LittleNipper]

Please demonstrate just how homosexuality is a mental illness

It is habitual and does not provide a spiritual service for greater good.

 

[Belk]

Um, no. I have said throughout the thread that homosexuality is a mental illness, acting on it is a sin. It is very much like being homophobic is a mental illness, but killing people for being gay is a crime. Mental illness is not a crime, but sometimes acting on it is.




Well:
More specifically it is a paraphilia. Of course it is wrong to demean people for having a mental disorder & to a large extent I believe people who say homosexuality is not a mental disorder do exactly that. . . as if it was something to be ashamed of.

However it falls outside the normal parameters for paraphilia.

... paraphilia as "recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors generally involving:

1. nonhuman objects, or
2. the suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner, or
3. children, or
4. nonconsenting persons"

Paraphilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why do you think it falls under this classification?

 

[FlamingFemme]

If my wonderful, healthy, loving, stable marriage to my wife is the product of a mental illness...

Then, fine, I have a mental illness.

 

[Belk]

It is habitual and does not provide a spiritual service for greater good.

That would make brushing your teeth a mental illness.

 

[mwood30]

No, but it certainly says something about alternate lifestyles.

They are not equally healthy, desirous, or something to encourage.

How many heterosexual people are obese?

How many heterosexual people are dying a slow, painful death from obesity induced diabetes?

How many heterosexual people are getting lung cancer from smoking?


If a homosexual eats healthy, doesn't smoke, and is monogomous then he will be healthy.

If a heterosexual feasts on junk food, smokes cigarettes, and has unsafe sex with many partners then he will be unhealthy.


The health of a person is determined by the health of their habits, not their sexuality... right?

 

[Macx]

Why do you think it falls under this classification?

From the Wiki, since we're using wiki today -

Paraphilia (in Greek para παρά = beside and -philia φιλία = friendship, having the meaning of love) is a biomedical term used to describe sexual arousal to objects, situations, or individuals that are not part of normative stimulation and that may cause distress or serious problems for the paraphiliac or persons associated with him or her.

feelings of having inhibited rights = distressing. suffering hate crimes = serious problems. Being denied "visitation rights" = distressing. Sex with same sex partner = sexual arousal to individuals that are not part of normative stimulation.

 

[Belk]

From the Wiki, since we're using wiki today -
feelings of having inhibited rights = distressing. suffering hate crimes = serious problems. Being denied "visitation rights" = distressing. Sex with same sex partner = sexual arousal to individuals that are not part of normative stimulation.

A valid point. And given the amount of things that are considered paraphilia it certainly seems to fit.

List of paraphilias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Macx]

Right on. I don't mean to sigmatize the condition of being homosexual at all, I understand that some people have that attraction and generally speaking there is some angst attached to that. It is not easy being gay.

My overarching theme here is that being a homosexual is not a sin. Acting on that state of being is a sin according to several denominations of one of several religions in the world. Going back to the original question:

Is homosexuality a sin?

No, beyond a shadow of a doubt, homosexuality is not a sin. Sin is an act or omission that is against the Law of God (whichever god, whoever is refering to) therefore worshipers of Shiva may (and often do) find themselves at odds with worshipers of Allah. In any case, homosexuality is a state of being not an act or omission . . . a paraphilia can't be a sin, acting on a paraphilia may be a sin or may not be, depending on which god's opinion we are using.

 

[Archer93]

It is habitual and does not provide a spiritual service for greater good.

Same goes for posting on internet forums. Looks like you and I share the same alternative lifestyle!

 

[Archer93]

From the Wiki, since we're using wiki today -
feelings of having inhibited rights = distressing. suffering hate crimes = serious problems. Being denied "visitation rights" = distressing. Sex with same sex partner = sexual arousal to individuals that are not part of normative stimulation.

Nice blaming the victims, there. Disabled people used to have problems getting jobs, can still be the victims of hate crimes, and accessability to buildings is an on-going issue. Do they have a paraphillia/mental illness?

Define 'normative stimulation'.
There's nothing odd about finding a nice pair of breasts attractive, right?

 

[Hakan101]

Nice blaming the victims, there. Disabled people used to have problems getting jobs, can still be the victims of hate crimes, and accessability to buildings is an on-going issue. Do they have a paraphillia/mental illness?

Define 'normative stimulation'.
There's nothing odd about finding a nice pair of breasts attractive, right?

Well, normative relates to a typical standard or model, so in other words the Wiki says sex with a same-sex partner is not normally what stimulates people, the standard being a straight person. So I would answer your question by saying there is nothing odd for a man to find a nice pair of breasts attractive, however it would not be odd for a woman to find it so.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

Granted the Engrish (yes that is intentional) is a little difficult to read, but That'd be making up a ficticious persona (an APA which holds that "holding of religion a neurotic disorder")

Engrish, it was not. It was missing a single word, sorry.

Should have said "Let's say", but "say" seems to have slipped from the sentence for some reason, excuse my single mistake. Otherwise, it was perfectly acceptable English grammar.

And, yes, the situation was hypothetical.
Hypothetical. Look it up.

 

[Macx]

Nice blaming the victims, there. Disabled people used to have problems getting jobs, can still be the victims of hate crimes, and accessability to buildings is an on-going issue. Do they have a paraphillia/mental illness?

Define 'normative stimulation'.
There's nothing odd about finding a nice pair of breasts attractive, right?

Hey, if you want to call homosexuals disabled, that is your free speech. You are drifting listlessly away from the topic however.

"Normative stimulation" isn't my term, it is part of the definition of paraphilia which was quoted with source cited. Straight is the standard, GLBT is a minority . .. were it not so, there wouldn't be those special laws protecting them as such. That does not make GLBT "bad" it defines it within the realm of paraphilias.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Um, no. I have said throughout the thread that homosexuality is a mental illness, acting on it is a sin. It is very much like being homophobic is a mental illness, but killing people for being gay is a crime. Mental illness is not a crime, but sometimes acting on it is.




Well:
More specifically it is a paraphilia. Of course it is wrong to demean people for having a mental disorder & to a large extent I believe people who say homosexuality is not a mental disorder do exactly that. . . as if it was something to be ashamed of.

So you cannot demonstrate that homosexuality is a mental illness…

So why do you continually falsely claim it is?

 

[BigBadWlf]

No, but it certainly says something about alternate lifestyles.

They are not equally healthy, desirous, or something to encourage.

so the black lifestyle is not healthy and should be discouraged

 

[BigBadWlf]

It is habitual and does not provide a spiritual service for greater good.

Washing one’s hands after using the bathroom is a habit…and does nothing spiritual at all…so hand washers are mentally ill