I can have sex with the pastor's wife and still go to heaven

[Thekla]

sure they did,but it was not a transgression.Rom 5.
Then the law came to crystalize it,so that sin would be known.rom 7;8 and 7;13.

In Galatians 3, Paul teaches that the Law was added because of transgressions; he teaches that transgressions preceded the Law ...

how's dat - that sin was not a transgression until the Law, but transgression preceded the Law ?

 

[Frogster]

In Galatians 3, Paul teaches that the Law was added because of transgressions; he teaches that transgressions preceded the Law ...

how's dat - that sin was not a transgression until the Law, but transgression preceded the Law ?

yes,adam broke a command,that was a transgression,but the law was not known to all the rest,till it became a known law.

13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.


15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.

So as rom 5;20 says..it was added to increase the trespass.To bring a consciousness,as rom 3:20.

 

[Thekla]

With a hardened heart, but as Paul teaches, those who do not have the Law but (to paraphrase) have a conscience are a 'law unto themselves'. Its when we get really out of whack (see chapter 1) that we 'need' the Law; the soil of the heart is hardened by sin.

 

[Frogster]

Hi Thekla..meant to say,that most of my studies,say that gal 3:19,really reads as rom 5:20.To increase.

 

[Frogster]

With a hardened heart, but as Paul teaches, those who do not have the Law but (to paraphrase) have a conscience are a 'law unto themselves'. Its when we get really out of whack (see chapter 1) that we 'need' the Law; the soil of the heart is hardened by sin.

Yes,CS lewis found God because of Rom 2:14-15.Well...sorry...but there is not one NT verse,that says the law stops sin in the heart.

The power of sin is the law,so how can law arrest sin?In fact,Gal 3 shows they were imprisoned in sin and law.Gal 3:22-23

 

[Philothei]

"i need the law to show mw my sin!"..

But i say.."the law is rousing sin"

what is mw?

 

[Philothei]

I do not think the "law" stops us but our mind sure does.... If you are about fall off the wagon sure that brain of ours works to keep us back...

Now there is law written in the heart also... so out of love we do not sin. That is law too though. The law of Love is the greatest commandment we were given but I already discussed that with you... lol..

 

[bugkiller]

I do not believe in 'free passes"... Maybe they think that being in ministry you get a "discount"?


I do not think it works that way either...... It is pretty childish to think that way... And it seems like we want to 'cheat' the teacher with a "cheat sheet"

Oh yeah I fer got they do get special treatment, don't they.

bugkiller

 

[GenemZ]

I can have sex with the pastor's wife and still go to heaven?

Were you asking permission?

 

[MamaZ]

Sho you right.

I will serve the One true God and Him alone
I will not bow down or create any false god.
I will respect and cherish His Holy Name
I will remember His sacred and holy day
I will honor my parents
I will not murder for what right do I have to destroy the image of God?
I will lover honor and cherish my spouse
I will respect my neighbors property and not take that which does not belong to me
I will not lie against my neighbor
I will not desire that which belongs to my neighbor

Sounds rather loving to me

The two commandments that Jesus gave sums up the full of the commandments. For Love does not seek its own.
1Co 13:3 And if I give out all my goods, and if I deliver my body that I be burned, but I do not have love, I am not profited anything.
1Co 13:4 Love has patience, is kind; love is not envious; love is not vain, is not puffed up;
1Co 13:5 does not behave indecently, does not pursue its own things, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil;
1Co 13:6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth.
1Co 13:7 Love quietly covers all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

 

[Elder 111]

If you truly love your neighbor as yourself would you even consider murder?

Why do we say that the commandments are abolished and still say we can not do the things that the Ten Cammandments prohibits? It just does not make sense. It either is or it is not. Are we as Chistians unable to thing or reason? Are we blind? None is so blind as he who would not see.

 

[For_Crying_Out_Loud]

Haha, I've heard from some of my friends that heaven is great big orgy with lots of drugs and alcohol.

I don't agree.

I don't think any one is forgiven of a sin that they committed because they were relying on the grace to be forgiven either.

 

[For_Crying_Out_Loud]

Why do we say that the commandments are abolished and still say we can not do the things that the Ten Commandments prohibits? It just does not make sense. It either is or it is not. Are we as Chistians unable to thing or reason? Are we blind? None is so blind as he who would not see.

You're keen on doing it for real - really living Gods will, and that's awesome man. It's quite rare. Keep it up.

As far as the commandments go, Jesus said He didn't come to do away with them but to fulfill them.

The law is there to reveal to us just how flawed we are, and grace is there to heal us back in to close relationship with God, just like Adam and Eve had.

As long as people live by the flesh, the law is actively showing their flaws and faults, just like it was made to do.

As long as people keep repenting, grace is living and actively restoring us to Jesus.

Mercy is the lesson God is trying to teach you. Grace is the time He has given yo to learn it.

 

[MamaZ]

Why do we say that the commandments are abolished and still say we can not do the things that the Ten Cammandments prohibits? It just does not make sense. It either is or it is not. Are we as Chistians unable to thing or reason? Are we blind? None is so blind as he who would not see.

God has shed His love abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit. Love does not seek to do any wrong to anyone. So now tell me if love moves you why do you need the 10 commandments? For we are to be led of the Spirit. Putting to death the deeds of the flesh. What can the 10 commandments do for you that the very Spirit of God cannot moved by His love?

 

[Stryder06]

Stryder I am so lost with your position. If you can't keep the law what are you talking about being able to keep the law with the aide of the Spirit? Do you still sin? Are you then saying you don't have the Spirit? Are you saying we who claim to follow the Spirit and not the law and do not keep the Sabbath are sinning?

Since you know you can't keep the law, what you gonna do? If you sin and still have the Spirit, how is that keeping the law?

bugkiller

No worries, you confuse me just as much. You say there is no law, but that sin still exists. Can't have it both ways.

In and of myself I am completely incapable of keeping the law. Thus I look to the Spirit to guide me in keeping it. But because God does not force you to keep from sinning, even though I am in the Spirit and He in me, I still make mistakes (sin).

I'm saying that those who don't keep the sabbath knowing they ought to are sinning. I'm not calling you a sinner for not keeping the sabbath. I worry that you are rejecting the truth about the sabbath because of the tradition that backs not keeping it.

As I said before, there is a difference between being a sinner, and sinning. We all sin. We are not all sinners. We all fall short of the glory of God, but we all have an Advocate with the Father. We all will fail at keeping the law, but we all can keep striving to not break it for we serve One how is able to keep us from falling (sinning).

 

[Stryder06]

Jesus died for sinners.

No need for exclamation marks.

We wouldn't be sinners if we didn't break the law. If a chance to the law could have taken place as in it being destroyed, then Christ would not have had to die. He simply could have rewritten the law to make sin not sin.

 

[MamaZ]

I'm saying that those who don't keep the sabbath knowing they ought to are sinning. I'm not calling you a sinner for not keeping the sabbath. I worry that you are rejecting the truth about the sabbath because of the tradition that backs not keeping it.

So is he a sinner for not keeping the sabbath or is he not? For you say one thing and then another and it is confusing. He is either a sinner for not or the first sentence is not true

 

[MamaZ]

We wouldn't be sinners if we didn't break the law. If a chance to the law could have taken place as in it being destroyed, then Christ would not have had to die. He simply could have rewritten the law to make sin not sin.

We are sinners just because we are born from Adam.

 

[Frogster]

Why do we say that the commandments are abolished and still say we can not do the things that the Ten Cammandments prohibits? It just does not make sense. It either is or it is not. Are we as Chistians unable to thing or reason? Are we blind? None is so blind as he who would not see.

That is only because you presume that the 10 are a restraint,when they are not.Grace is what keeps the Chrisitan from sin.Rom 6;14

 

[Frogster]

I do not think the "law" stops us but our mind sure does.... If you are about fall off the wagon sure that brain of ours works to keep us back...

Now there is law written in the heart also... so out of love we do not sin. That is law too though. The law of Love is the greatest commandment we were given but I already discussed that with you... lol..

The brain is a terrible thing to waste
The spirit is now the new order.

13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live

Paul mostly talked about walking in the spirit,in the new creation.