I can have sex with the pastor's wife and still go to heaven

[Elder 111]

It says he abolished the law in His body.Eph 2:14.Paul died to the law through His body..Rom 7;4..of course the law is there a sign post for the unsaved....but once saved,it is very clear,we are not under law.We Christians died through the body,the unsaved did not.

The world is under dominion of sin and death,In Adam,rom 5,but not the Chrisitan.

Rom 6;14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Why are we not under the domain of sin? Because we were delivered out of the present evil age,Gal 1:4,and placed in the new creation,where grace reigns,not sin,law,and Adam.

See..pure scripture...

21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

What do you understand by "not being under the law"?

 

[Elder 111]

yup..the cross is an offense to law,which was nailed there.Human achievement was set aside.

Bt the way I believe that we are save by grace through faith.
Does grace nulify the Ten Commandments?

 

[Elder 111]

Are you an SDA?

For 29 years. was not always but I could not deny the truth.

 

[Elder 111]

So who is right? you or the Bible? The Bible says the law came 430 years after Abraham.

If the law existed before Sinai because sin was committed, I gotta ask how far back did it go and who did it apply to? You imply by your statement that it always existed.

If this is so then the law is meaningless because Adam and Eve had no one to commit adultery with and no parents to honor. Who are they going to steal from?

bugkiller

God.

 

[MrPolo]

Why did paul say the law was not for the righteous?
It was moral law mentioned in 1 Tim.

The law is for the unsaved.

So I was right, you do believe murder is ok then. It's one of the moral 10 commandments which you say is for the unsaved. So have you killed anyone?

 

[MamaZ]

So I was right, you do believe murder is ok then. It's one of the moral 10 commandments which you say is for the unsaved. So have you killed anyone?

If you truly love your neighbor as yourself would you even consider murder?

 

[New_Wineskin]

Deuteronomy 5:1And Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.

That is the best nugget and a slam dunk for all of the Law stuff .

It was for all of those alive at Horeb on that day . And then for their descendants . That is all . You will get repped .

 

[MrPolo]

If you truly love your neighbor as yourself would you even consider murder?

I would say no, but Frogster says we don't have to follow any of the 10 commandments anymore.

 

[bugkiller]

Bt the way I believe that we are save by grace through faith.
Does grace nulify the Ten Commandments?

No and you have the wrong question. Jesus life, death and resurrection does for the redeemed. Jesus ssid This is My blood of the new testament...Mat 26:28. And Jer 31:31-34 talks about a new covenant (testament). Can you show that Jesus was talking about some other new testament (covenant)?

Jeremiah said the new covenant would not be likie the old one established with their fathers. That covenant is unmistakealbly identified in Deut 4:13 as the ten commandments. Unless of course you can show otherwise.

I am interested, so strut your stuff. I want to see it.

bugkiller

 

[JimfromOhio]

We have to remember that Grace fulfilled the Law. Law tells me how crooked I am; grace comes along and straightens me out. This verse, Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. Through God's grace in our hearts, we know God's laws. The Lord will not save those He cannot command.

 

[bugkiller]

For 29 years. was not always but I could not deny the truth.

So tell us why doesn't you faith identifier show SDA? Others do. It is amazing that you would say you are proclaiming the truth while fibbing. So you don't keep the ten commandments either. Why are you pretending to do that which you do not do? And SDA folks wonder why more people don't accept their message. Could a contrubiting factor be their honesty and integrity?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

God.

Then how can you say the law was before Sinai, when the Bible clearly says something different? Uncle. What gives? Your one word answer is that God is correct. So must not your fib as I can not understand how in 29 years you haven't come upon Gal 3:19. My Bible seems pretty straight forward in that verse.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

So I was right, you do believe murder is ok then. It's one of the moral 10 commandments which you say is for the unsaved. So have you killed anyone?

Why do the law pushers ask if it is alright to sin (do evil)? Haven't they read Gal 5:16-21, Romans 8:1-6?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I would say no, but Frogster says we don't have to follow any of the 10 commandments anymore.

And Frogster is correct. We have a new covenant. New is not old. And the word new in Jer 31:31, Mat 26:28, II Cor 3:6 and Heb 8:8 all varify that fact. It works the same way in your temporal life too. The laws of NY are not valid and enforcable in NM, Texas, Canada or Mexico. Some of them even may be worded exactly the same also.

bugkiller

 

[MrPolo]

And Frogster is correct. We have a new covenant.

I did not expect there would be 2 people in this thread who say murder is ok and we don't have to obey that commandment.

Somebody should tell Jesus He's wrong:

Mt 19:16-20 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.​

In other words, those of you who insist that our "new covenant" necessarily excludes all facets of the OT, including the moral, are mistaken.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I did not expect there would be 2 people in this thread who say murder is ok and we don't have to obey that commandment.

Somebody should tell Jesus He's wrong:

Mt 19:16-20 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
​

In other words, those of you who insist that our "new covenant" necessarily excludes all facets of the OT, including the moral, are mistaken.

Didnt that "certain young ruler" say "All these I have KEPT"?

Or no?

What lack I yet?

 

[Frogster]

So who is right? you or the Bible? The Bible says the law came 430 years after Abraham.

If the law existed before Sinai because sin was committed, I gotta ask how far back did it go and who did it apply to? You imply by your statement that it always existed.

If this is so then the law is meaningless because Adam and Eve had no one to commit adultery with and no parents to honor. Who are they going to steal from?

bugkiller

Good points!

 

[Frogster]

I did not expect there would be 2 people in this thread who say murder is ok and we don't have to obey that commandment.

Somebody should tell Jesus He's wrong:

Mt 19:16-20 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.​

In other words, those of you who insist that our "new covenant" necessarily excludes all facets of the OT, including the moral, are mistaken.

MrPolo.Did the 10 stop the flawless,zealous ,pharisess of pharisees,cut on the 8th day,of the tribe of ben,from murdering,and lusting?
Ummmm,does it stop you from lusting?

 

[Frogster]

For 29 years. was not always but I could not deny the truth.

well..at least we know where u r coming from now.

 

[bugkiller]

I did not expect there would be 2 people in this thread who say murder is ok and we don't have to obey that commandment.

Somebody should tell Jesus He's wrong:

Mt 19:16-20 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
​

In other words, those of you who insist that our "new covenant" necessarily excludes all facets of the OT, including the moral, are mistaken.

So ya can't win (have a defendalbe truth) by the scripture and have to resort to putting words in peoples mouths. Niether of us said that murder was OK. Those are your words al by your lonesome. Have you not read Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

See my blue highlighted word? You might try Romans 8:1-6 also.

Oh I almost forgot your last comment. I ask what are you looking for any kind of concession? There ain't any. The fact that there are some similarities does not make them the same law. I have demonstrated this with the temporal laws that you must obey or go to jail. You are not looking for similarities. You are looking to support the supremacy of the old covenant. The new covenant is a much better deal.

bugkiller