Go! ACLU Go!

[LightHorseman]

Skips to the last page to see if the board is worth reading. Sees yet another fruitful discussion of whether Hitler was a Christian or not. Exits stage left.

Followed by a bear?

 

[katautumn]

Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

Luke 6:46
But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

2 Thessalonians 3:6
But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Matthew 7:16
You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?

And, for what it's worth, the Klan does not burn crosses because of any Christian significance. Much of the Klan's symbolism and ceremony is derived from ancient Scottish culture. The burning of a cross came from a Scottish poem that called for the lighting of a cross on a hilltop to get the attention of all the clans so they could rally together. The KKK adopted it as a their "calling card" if you will.

 

[oldbetang]

Then why'd he plaster "God is with us" all over everything?

I already addressed that. Here it is again:

God is with us? What god would that be? We know that it's not the one that Hitler despised. So which one was it?

The Führer is deeply... anti-christian.
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I'm sure that there were plenty of regular German army guys who were Christian. However, the Nazi leaders were most definitely not. They were virulently anti-Christian.

The citation that I asked for was for the following:

The swastika is featured prominently in the cathedral where he used to sing, directly opposite the choir stall. It is generally assumed that that is where he was inspired to adopt the symbol from.

 

[LightHorseman]

I already addressed that. Here it is again:

God is with us? What god would that be? We know that it's not the one that Hitler despised. So which one was it?

The Führer is deeply... anti-christian.

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I'm sure that there were plenty of regular German army guys who were Christian. However, the Nazi leaders were most definitely not. They were virulently anti-Christian.

The citation that I asked for was for the following:

The swastika is featured prominently in the cathedral where he used to sing, directly opposite the choir stall. It is generally assumed that that is where he was inspired to adopt the symbol from.

In German, as with English "god" can refer to any deity. "God", always refers to only one. Tell me, in all the "Gott mitt un" stuff, tell me, is it a capital or lower case G?

For young Adolf, the move to Lambach meant an end to farm chores and more time to play. There was an old Catholic Benedictine monastery in the town. The ancient monastery was decorated with carved stones and woodwork that included several swastikas. Adolf attended school there and saw them every day. They had been put there in the 1800s by the ruling Abbot as a pun or play on words. His name essentially sounded like the German word for swastika, Hakenkreuz.

Young Hitler did well in the monastery school and also took part in the boys' choir. He was said to have had a fine singing voice. Years later Hitler would say the solemn pageantry of the high mass and other Catholic ceremonies was quite intoxicating and left a very deep impression.

Closest reference I can find at the moment. Amien Cathedral has a right facing swastika, which is also alleged to have been an influence.

 

[oldbetang]

In German, as with English "god" can refer to any deity. "God", always refers to only one. Tell me, in all the "Gott mitt un" stuff, tell me, is it a capital or lower case G?

I'm not sure what difference it makes whether it's in upper or lower case. However, in the photo you provided all of the letters are in upper case.

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GOTT MIT UNS. If GOTT only had been in upper case , you might have a point. As it stands now, you do not.

For young Adolf, the move to Lambach meant an end to farm chores and more time to play. There was an old Catholic Benedictine monastery in the town. The ancient monastery was decorated with carved stones and woodwork that included several swastikas. Adolf attended school there and saw them every day. They had been put there in the 1800s by the ruling Abbot as a pun or play on words. His name essentially sounded like the German word for swastika, Hakenkreuz.

Young Hitler did well in the monastery school and also took part in the boys' choir. He was said to have had a fine singing voice. Years later Hitler would say the solemn pageantry of the high mass and other Catholic ceremonies was quite intoxicating and left a very deep impression.

Closest reference I can find at the moment. Amien Cathedral has a right facing swastika, which is also alleged to have been an influence.

Where did you get that from?

 

[LightHorseman]

I'm not sure what difference it makes whether it's in upper or lower case. However, in the photo you provided all of the letters are in upper case.

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GOTT MIT UNS. If GOTT only had been in upper case , you might have a point. As it stands now, you do not.

Pretty selective memory you have there. Remember this?

Where did you get that from?

apologies The History Place - Rise of Hitler: Hitler's Boyhood

 

[CaptainNemo1138]

Erm, isn't this thread about the ACLU, and not the Nazi's?

 

[durangodawood]

Go ACLU! Standing up for the American way!
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[katautumn]

Erm, isn't this thread about the ACLU, and not the Nazi's?

Awww, you're throwing off our Godwin groove!

 

[oldbetang]

Pretty selective memory you have there. Remember this?

Not a selective memory. I've never seen that before. What I do see though is a sentence with the first letter of the first word being capitalized. Nothing strange about that.

apologies The History Place - Rise of Hitler: Hitler's Boyhood

The Lambach swastika is probably of Medieval origin. The Lambach depiction, in the Hindu style, did not inspire Hitler to use the symbol, as the Nazi Party's use of it stems from the Thule Society and previous occult societies.
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[lawtonfogle]

Erm, isn't this thread about the ACLU, and not the Nazi's?

Godwin's Second Corollary:

As the length of a thread approached infinity, the chance someone will mention the original topic among a discussion of Nazis, Hitler, or some derivative of either, approaches 1.

 

[*Starlight*]

In German, as with English "god" can refer to any deity. "God", always refers to only one. Tell me, in all the "Gott mitt un" stuff, tell me, is it a capital or lower case G?

I have no idea whether Hitler was a Christian or not (people sometimes change their religious beliefs, maybe he was a Christian only during a part of his life), but in German all nouns are capitalized...

 

[USincognito]

The government of the United States says little about the seperation of Church and State. If you want full "Seperation of Church and State" then give me all your legal tender....please.

Why? I own a perfectly good black Sharpie.

One of the biggest myths spread by accomodationists is the one where roving bands of ACLU lawyers roam the countryside looking for any expression of Christianity and immediately pounce with a lawsuit.

The truth of the matter is, unless the plaintiff is involved with the ACLU ante facto, individuals or groups of citizens who feel something is a violation of the establishment clause take their case to the ACLU who then proceed with the case pro bono for the plaintiffs.

This reality conflicts with the fundraising goals of groups like Thomas Moore, AFA, CWA, Coral Ridge, Liberty Leagal, etc. etc. etc. though.

Just wanted to see if there was any non-Godwin related posts that anyone else wanted to add.

 

[Ringo84]

The government of the United States says little about the seperation of Church and State

It's right there in the Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

If you want full "Seperation of Church and State" then give me all your legal tender....please

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"In God We Trust" is a meaningless motto. It doesn't change the fact that we separate church and state in this country.
Ringo

 

[BlackAndy]

Gay chick wants to dress as a man and bring another gay chick to the prom. School says no.
The oppression is killing me...

 

[durangodawood]

"In God We Trust" is a meaningless motto. It doesn't change the fact that we separate church and state in this country.

It expresses that the state validates one type of religious faith over others.
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[keith99]

Gay chick wants to dress as a man and bring another gay chick to the prom. School says no.
The oppression is killing me...

WRONG. The school does not have the cojones to do that, they cancel the prom instead. Very nasty tactic. I'd have a lot more respect for someone saying no to the couple.

 

[keith99]

Then why'd he plaster "God is with us" all over everything?

Well if God is with us then who can stop us?

If he can get his followers (read soldiers) to believe God is with them he gains an advantage. And don't forget that one of Hitlers 'accomplishments' was to prove that if yuo tell a lie often enough and loud enough people will believe it. This particular lie then becomes rather funny in a sick sort of way.

 

[Smidlee]

To me this sounds like a spoiled child who cried because she didn't get her way. In American we have it so good compared to the rest of the world yet we cry and sue like we are so oppressed.

 

[CaptainNemo1138]

To me this sounds like a spoiled child who cried because she didn't get her way. In American we have it so good compared to the rest of the world yet we cry and sue like we are so oppressed.

You see, in America, we have these things called "Human Rights". And some people, including moi, feel that extends to the Right to Love. So, if you feel she is acting like a spoiled child, then that is your right. But I, and the ACLU, disagree with you, which is our right.