Sir Elton John claims Jesus was gay

[fm107]

PA,

I am not going to start disputing all those scriptures. I will not enter into a big debate, I have neither the time nor the desire.

I have stated my belief on the issue and will leave it at that.

no matter how evil a person is, even someone like Hitler, offering infinite torture for finite sins is not the work of a Just God.

~ Regards, PA

Like it or not that is the reality of it. To say otherwise would be contradicting the word of God.

Mathew 25:46
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."


If the punishment was not eternal then why would Jesus go through that horrific suffering and death for us?

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

Absolutely and I certainly agree. Any assertion that today, to be LGBT and in a physical relationship is not proper for LGBT Christians is certainly unsupported by logic, reason, or history. All such things are supported by is prejudice, purely and simply.

Actually, my comment was made solely at Leviticus 18 (and Leviticus 20, to a lesser extent). I wasn't arguing for the inclusion of homosexuality as an acceptable doctrine in Christianity.

I discussed this in the other homosexuality thread that was recently shut down (I don't know if it's been re-opened yet or not).

~ Regards, PA

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

PA,

I am not going to start disputing all those scriptures. I will not enter into a big debate, I have neither the time nor the desire.

I have stated my belief on the issue and will leave it at that.

Fair enough. It is your choice to believe as you so choose.

Like it or not that is the reality of it. To say otherwise would be contradicting the word of God.

Mathew 25:46
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Just for interests sake, does this passage necessitate that this punishment take the form of torture? I am not arguing that there are no consequences for sin, I'm just arguing that eternal torture is not the form this punishment takes.
They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
~ 2 Thessalonians 1:9

This says basically the same as Matthew 25:46 - the punishment is eternal, but it also points out what form that punishment takes - eternal destruction. Not torture.

If the punishment was not eternal then why would Jesus go through that horrific suffering and death for us?

I didn't say the punishment was not eternal - I said the punishment was not torture!

As for why Jesus suffered through what he did - to save us from what we could not save ourselves from!

 

[united4Peace]

Actually as much as I love Elton John (okay so I dont know him personally but he seems to be a great guy) I need to disagree with him on that Jesus was a homosexual...
Saying that I disagree with everyone else here that has posted...

There is PROOF though that Jesus was actually a woman...

3 proofs that Jesus was a woman:

1. He fed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was no food.
2. He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just didn't get it
3. And even when he was dead, He had to get up because there was more work to do.

Makes complete sense to me

 

[Texas Lynn]

Actually, my comment was made solely at Leviticus 18 (and Leviticus 20, to a lesser extent). I wasn't arguing for the inclusion of homosexuality as an acceptable doctrine in Christianity.

I discussed this in the other homosexuality thread that was recently shut down (I don't know if it's been re-opened yet or not).

~ Regards, PA

That's fine. The idea of "homosexuality as a doctrine" does not compute for me.

 

[fm107]

I didn't say the punishment was not eternal - I said the punishment was not torture!

As for why Jesus suffered through what he did - to save us from what we could not save ourselves from!

So you did.

Well, to me, being thrown into a lake of fire and on top of this being tormented (probably derived from the word torture) would most definitely be torture.

As you agreed this is eternal.

What else can this possibly be but torture, being in a lake of fire and tormented. I wouldn't describe it as anything else. But it is well deserved at the end of the day because that is the cost of rejecting the son of God. We all have a choice to accept or reject him at our own pearl.

Luke 16:28
Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

 

[Texas Lynn]

So you did.

Well, to me, being thrown into a lake of fire and on top of this being tormented (probably derived from the word torture) would most definitely be torture.

As you agreed this is eternal.

What else can this possibly be but torture, being in a lake of fire and tormented. I wouldn't describe it as anything else. But it is well deserved at the end of the day because that is the cost of rejecting the son of God. We all have a choice to accept or reject him at our own pearl.

Luke 16:28
Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

This is way off topic.

 

[fm107]

Upset that your views are contrary to the bible?

 

[Jase]

Upset that your views are contrary to the bible?

Upset that your views are completely unbiblical? The fire and brimstone version of hell, is a fabrication created by Dante Alighieri and adopted by the Catholic Church. The Lake of Fire is not hell, and it is not a torture chamber where humans will consciously suffer being burned alive for all eternity. This "lie" has been propogated for centuries in order to gain followers through fear.

Anyway, back on topic. Hmm, Jesus never married, could whip up a banquet in a second, and traveled with 12 men most of the time... maybe?

Honestly, why would Jesus' orientation matter? Can he not save the world if he were gay?

 

[Oddi725]

I'm new here. Well, really the reason I signed up is I am shocked at this forum.

1. Homosexuality is a sin. We've all seen the Bible verses here. No need to re-type them. The one thing no one mentioned yet is Sodom and Gomorra. The city was destroyed by God mainly due to homosexuals.

2. To anyone who wants to use the excuse that in 1 Corinthians 6-10, homosexual offenders means male prostitutes and it doesn't account for any other homosexual act, ask yourself this. Do you REALLY, DEEP down think GOD would allow someone to pervert his word? If that was the case, many Christians would be preaching lies. Do you REALLY think God would allow this? I don't think so. God allows our free-will and sin to ruin this world, but I highly doubt he'd allow it to pervert his word.

3. Because homosexuality is a sin, its common sense to a Christian to know Jesus was not gay.

4. I read somewhere "why was Jesus single?"... His bride is the church. If he was with an earthly women he'd be committing adultery another sin. Jesus was perfect

5. I also read someone here say "It wouldn't matter if Jesus wasn't celibate"........He wasn't married. He has sex and he is committing adultery. Again sinning. Jesus didn't do that.

6. The ignorance to call everyone against homosexuality "homophobes" is disheartening. God loves everyone. He loves the homosexual as much as anyone. I'm not calling for hate upon homosexuals. I am against the so called "Gay Rights" because it isn't right in God's eyes. You see God loves everyone, but every sin is punished. Allowing homosexual marriage is condoning sin. To say "God loves them so let them marry" is like saying "God loves Hitler, so let him pass on what he did". I'm sorry its the truth. God loves Hitler as much as you and me. Does that make it okay to condone his sin? No. Its not okay to condone any sin, and that includes homosexuals. I agree we must show them love and I am against 'hate crimes' towards homosexuals, but giving in to earthly things and saying "ah God loves them, let them do what they want" is the first step to leading already decaying family values straight to Hell. The people of this world call us ignorant. They say we are stupid, scared and hateful. I show no hate. The Lord loves the homosexual, so I should too. The Lord also condemns homosexuality, so I will too, even though the world will hate me for it. John 15:18- If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. Don't try and please the world, please God. Love the homosexual, but do not condone the sin. The same can be said for all of us. We all need love and we also all need someone to tell us we're wrong sometimes. God Bless

 

[Texas Lynn]

Homosexuality is a sin.

Some don't believe that.

The one thing no one mentioned yet is Sodom and Gomorra. The city was destroyed by God mainly due to homosexuals.

Not according to Ezekiel 16:49.

Do you REALLY, DEEP down think GOD would allow someone to pervert his word? If that was the case, many Christians would be preaching lies. Do you REALLY think God would allow this? I don't think so. God allows our free-will and sin to ruin this world, but I highly doubt he'd allow it to pervert his word.

It's happened many times.

Because homosexuality is a sin, its common sense to a Christian to know Jesus was not gay.

Doesn't follow.

I read somewhere "why was Jesus single?"... His bride is the church.

Symbolically. The church didn't exist during his life.

The ignorance to call everyone against homosexuality "homophobes" is disheartening. God loves everyone. He loves the homosexual as much as anyone. I'm not calling for hate upon homosexuals.

So, then, you are for gay marriage?

I am against the so called "Gay Rights" because it isn't right in God's eyes.

You have no way of knowing that.

I am against 'hate crimes' towards homosexuals

One small step...

 

[Bay]

I don't like his remarks at all.

 

[Oddi725]

Some don't believe that.

Do you read your Bible? I'm just saying.



Not according to Ezekiel 16:49.

Read the actual story of Sodom and Gomorra. All of the men ask to have sex with Lot.


It's happened many times.

Directly in The Bible? The Bible is God's word. Go ahead and through me a verse that you know is not God's word.


Doesn't follow.

Jesus didn't sin... Its the first thing you learn in Sunday School.


Symbolically. The church didn't exist during his life.

And Symbolically he'd be committing Adultery. Plus if the church didn't exist back then, then he'd be having premarital sex, another sin. And Jesus didn't sin.

So, then, you are for gay marriage?

No. I don't condone sin. Either does God. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Thats like saying God loves murderers so lets make murder legal. Punishment does not equal hate. In fact, many parents punish their kids because they love them. They punish them to make them safer. You automatically think punishment is hate, don't you? The Bible states every sin is punished. I show love towards homosexuals, I do not condone their sin. By supporting same-sex marriages I'm condoning sin. As a follower of Christ, I don't want to condone sin.

You have no way of knowing that.

Well seeing how there's countless verses against homosexuality in The Bible I think it's fair to say I do. After all, The Bible is God's word. Supporting gay marriage= supporting sin. Sorry, God doesn't support sin.

One small step...

I'm sorry, but you are endorsing sin. You think it wouldn't matter if Jesus wasn't celibate, he was born without sex! You seem to be strongly for many things God is strongly against. I pray you see the light.

 

[dayhiker]

I've read the story of Sodom many times. Not once it it say the men wanted sex with Lot. What it says is the men wanted sex with the angels that were visiting the city to see if they were as evil as the repost was. Jude doesn't condemn the sodomites for their homo activites but for the hertro activities. That is their desire to have sex with another of a different kind.

dayhiker

 

[Oddi725]

I've read the story of Sodom many times. Not once it it say the men wanted sex with Lot. What it says is the men wanted sex with the angels that were visiting the city to see if they were as evil as the repost was. Jude doesn't condemn the sodomites for their homo activites but for the hertro activities. That is their desire to have sex with another of a different kind.

dayhiker

Typo My bad. I meant to say they wanted to have sex with the men with Lot. Yes they were Angels. Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange (Greek: different, other) flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
And 2nd Peter 2:6,7"And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked."

The "filthy conversation" of the wicked, literally means, the "filthy manner of life" of the wicked. The Greek noun for "conversation" is "anastrophe," which means, "behavior."Hence, Sodom and Gomorrah were saturated with sexual deviance, filthy behavior, and every form of godlessness known to mankind.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Some don't believe that.

Do you read your Bible? I'm just saying.

Sure. Do you?

Not according to Ezekiel 16:49.

Read the actual story of Sodom and Gomorra. All of the men ask to have sex with Lot.

Actually what they do is trash talk about the "angels".

It's happened many times.

Directly in The Bible? The Bible is God's word. Go ahead and through me a verse that you know is not God's word.

That's not related to this which that was a reply for: "Do you REALLY, DEEP down think GOD would allow someone to pervert his word? If that was the case, many Christians would be preaching lies. Do you REALLY think God would allow this? I don't think so. God allows our free-will and sin to ruin this world, but I highly doubt he'd allow it to pervert his word."

Every time some group has done something strange with a supposed religious basis, they've "perverted God's word".

Doesn't follow.

Jesus didn't sin... Its the first thing you learn in Sunday School.

Not related to my comment.

Symbolically. The church didn't exist during his life.

And Symbolically he'd be committing Adultery. Plus if the church didn't exist back then, then he'd be having premarital sex, another sin. And Jesus didn't sin.

You may be unaware of this, but to be gay does not mean to have sex, even if you do believe the dubious proposition that to be gay is to sin.

So, then, you are for gay marriage?

No. I don't condone sin. Either does God. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Thats like saying God loves murderers so lets make murder legal. Punishment does not equal hate. In fact, many parents punish their kids because they love them. They punish them to make them safer. You automatically think punishment is hate, don't you? The Bible states every sin is punished. I show love towards homosexuals, I do not condone their sin. By supporting same-sex marriages I'm condoning sin. As a follower of Christ, I don't want to condone sin.

So you are prejudiced.

You have no way of knowing that.

Well seeing how there's countless verses against homosexuality in The Bible I think it's fair to say I do. After all, The Bible is God's word. Supporting gay marriage= supporting sin. Sorry, God doesn't support sin.

The 'countless' verses amount to seven and they're all ambiguous.

One small step...

I'm sorry, but you are endorsing sin. You think it wouldn't matter if Jesus wasn't celibate, he was born without sex! You seem to be strongly for many things God is strongly against. I pray you see the light.

There's no light in the promotion of hatred against LGBTs.

 

[Oddi725]

Sure. Do you?

I've read the whole thing and read it every day.

Actually what they do is trash talk about the "angels".

Already said I had a typo in that.




That's not related to this which that was a reply for: "Do you REALLY, DEEP down think GOD would allow someone to pervert his word? If that was the case, many Christians would be preaching lies. Do you REALLY think God would allow this? I don't think so. God allows our free-will and sin to ruin this world, but I highly doubt he'd allow it to pervert his word."

Every time some group has done something strange with a supposed religious basis, they've "perverted God's word".

Yes it is related. Its related because your saying there was no word "homosexual" If thats not the word God wanted to use, do you think God would allow it to be in the interpreted Bible? If so, you're questioning the Bible. Where do you start? Where do you stop? If one word could have been misinterpreted than everything could of. What do you base your faith on? If you live by this, EVERYTHING is worth second guessing. Your second guessing The Bible. Thats a slippery slope to stand on. If your faith is in Christ look how Christ himself used Scripture to defeat Satan's temptation in the wilderness. This proves the power of scripture. It is unflawed.




Not related to my comment.
Yes it is. You are saying it wouldn't matter if Jesus was homosexual. Jesus didn't sin, therefore he wasn't gay.



You may be unaware of this, but to be gay does not mean to have sex, even if you do believe the dubious proposition that to be gay is to sin.

There are other sins involved with homosexuality than just sex.



So you are prejudiced.

LOL. Did you read my comment. We need to show love to the homosexual to help them. When telling someone their wrong in a loving way is prejudiced, I can't imagine what doing something bad is.

The 'countless' verses amount to seven and they're all ambiguous.

Seven verses is much more than other sins that aren't nearly as controversial. And when The Bible clearly states "It is detestable to The Lord" thats not ambiguous. You're earthly ideas and beliefs are overcoming your love for God in this particular subject. You are acting quite naive.



There's no light in the promotion of hatred against LGBTs.

I like how you automatically label me as an hater. I've shown countless homosexuals love. Again, God loves murderers, yet that doesn't make murder ok. God loves homosexuals, yet homosexuality is still wrong. Its a sin. I show them Love I don't show them hostility. In fact, I had a pretty good friend from church who was gay. Through the power of prayer he has cleaned up his life. He's now happily married to his wife and has 4 children.

 

[student ad x]

There's no light in the promotion of hatred against LGBTs.

Quite right, and there is no light in promoting the idea that repentance is not needed in regards to sin.

Elton, 62, declares as he pours out his heart to a magazine: "I think Jesus was a compassionate, super-intelligent gay man who understood human problems."

Nothing more than human opinion on a subject he knows nothing of. There is no contradiction in the Godhead; and the New Testament does not contradict the Old.

 

[Oddi725]

Quite right, and there is no light in promoting the idea that repentance is not needed in regards to sin.

Nothing more than human opinion on a subject he knows nothing of. There is no contradiction in the Godhead; and the New Testament does not contradict the Old.

Amen! I don't know if kids have grown up spoiled or what, but now everyone claims you are 'hating" if you tell someone that they are doing wrong. Thats our job as Christians, to spread the word of God. And whether people like it or not, The Word states that homosexuality is a sin. We need to let people know this. If you tell your druggie friend to stop taking drugs, are you showing them hate? Or are you showing them love? You are showing you love and that is how we need to approach all lost people, and that includes homosexuals.

 

[jellybean99]

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. - Leviticus 20:13

Bible Passages That Oppose Homosexuality – Including the Words of Jesus and God Himself « BUUUUURRRRNING HOT

There's no debate on YHWH's stance on homosexual lust. It is only because of Christian mercy that homosexuals are not put to death by govt. authorities.

People guilty of homosexual acts are put to death in countries like Iran, which is why their president can say there are no homosexuals in Iran without contradiction in that country.