Can a Christian be a Freemason???

[Rev Wayne]

Can’t se what is difficult for you to grasp.

In responding to your post, it occurred to me that you still did not address what I could not quite understand in your post. So that you don't have to hunt it down, this is what I referred to:

[Archivist]The Christian Freemasons would obviously acknowledge God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as the supreme being

To Archivist,
Christians do that, IreneAdler has just said they don’t, as they aren’t allowed to discuss it. They refer to GAOTU rather than Father Son and Holy Spirit. Those who are members of other faiths would acknowledge other gods as the supreme being. That’s deception.

The question was why would freemasonry refuse to acknowledge that?

I think where the problem is, is the vagueness of your pronouns. "Christians do that," I get (Father-Son-HG); but they aren't allowed to discuss "it" leaves the question, discuss what?

And "that's deception" leaves the obvious question, "What is deception?" because it isn't clear what "that" was referring to.

Pronouns generally have antecedents they refer to, and generally that's easy to spot, but in this case, neither of those was very clear.

 

[AoDoA]

YouTube - The Coming Theosophic World Religion

 

[AoDoA]

“Masonry is regarded as the direct descendant, or as a survival of the mysteries... of Isis and Osiris in Egypt...”

- Robert Freke Gould, Past Senior Grand Deacon of England, Master of Quatuor Coronati Lodge No. 2076, Vol. 1, p. 13, History of Freemasonry; New York, 1884

“When later he [the Mason] is given Light, it means really that he is taught the principles of occultism ...”
- Arthur H. Ward, Masonic symbolism and the Mystic Way, p. 149 - 150

“Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled ...”
“The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.” (pp. 104, 105 & 819)



Pike

“FREEMASONRY is a fraternity within a fraternity — an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect. Before it is possible to intelligently discuss the origin of the Craft, it is necessary, therefore, to establish the existence of these two separate yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most august fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcanum arcanorum. Those Brethren who have essayed to write the history of their Craft have not included in their disquisitions the story of that truly secret inner society which is to the body Freemasonic what the heart is to the body human.”
- Manly P. Hall 33°, Lectures on Ancient Philosophy and Introduction to the Study and Application of Rational Procedure, p. 397 [Chapter 19 - Rosicrucian and Masonic Origins]

we have so much information available today

theres no excuse to apologize for freemasonry and claim to to be a Christian

its so darn(rather use other words here) silly it makes me wanna scream

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[AoDoA]

“When a mason learns the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.”
- Manly P. Hall, 33°, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, p. 48
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[AoDoA]

“Satanic Ritual is a blend of Gnostic, Cabbalistic, Hermetic, and Masonic elements, incorporating nomenclature and vibratory words of power from virtually every mythos .... Masonic orders have contained the most influential men in many governments, and virtually every occult order has many Masonic roots.”
- Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Rituals — Companion to the Satanic Bible, pp. 21, 78 [PDF Version here]
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[AoDoA]

“From the beginning, the ceremonies of Isis-Urania were conducted at Mark Masons’ Hall in Great Queen Street (now demolished) but members were careful not to embarrass the Masonic authorities, being told that they ‘must not enter Mark Masons’ Hall by the front door, but go under archway and down passage, entering by a door on the right”
- A. Gilbert, Golden Dawn Companion, p.31.
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[Rev Wayne]

To IreneAdler,
The truth is not based on what the boy scouts do, I potentially have issues with that too.

Boy Scouts are the most comparable organization to the Masons that I can think of. The principles are practically identical.

 

[AoDoA]

In order to reach their aims of world unity and thus engage the whole world in service to the Plan, "enlightened" Freemasons and New Agers have been pushing for collectivist motifs that promote monistic pantheism and unity. This is why the chief instigators to the globalist League of Nations and the United Nations have been Theosophists, trying to work out the plan. This is why the verbiage and aims at the U.N. is for world peace and brotherhood. It is a spiritual undertaking in a secular world. Lucis Trust has had three think-tanks located at the U.N. Plaza in New York for around fifty years. No wonder the former Assistant Secretary General to the U.N., Robert Muller, is a devoted disciple of Alice Bailey, whose book, A Treatise on White Magic, forms the basis for the Robert Muller schools. (The Leavening)

 

[AoDoA]

the New Age Movment and Freemasonry have virtually identical beliefs and goals

I'm a little tired or I'd pull some better quotes out

they even work together

I'm pretty sure it was freemasonry that published a magazine called "The New Age"

 

[AoDoA]

Back in 1927, Freemason W.L. Wilmhurst saw the dawning of the Aquarian Age as the fufillment of the "Plan". In The Meaning of Masonry, p.4, he writes:

In this new Aquarian age, when many individuals and groups are working in various ways for the eventual restoration of the mysteries, an increasing number of aspirants are beginning to recognize that Freemasonry may well be the vehicle for this achievement
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[AllForJesus]

No

 

[Rev Wayne]

Arthur Ward is highly esoteric and hardly mainstream when it comes to Masonry.

Golden Dawn is not a true Masonic organization, they are an irregularly formed group, unaffiliated with Freemasonry as we speak of it here. Comparing them to Masonry is like calling Jehovah's Witnesses an orthodox Christian group.

LaVey has nothing to do with Masonry except in someone's fertile imagination.

Manly Hall wrote "Lost Keys of Freemasonry" 30 years before he ever became a Mason--hardly a legitimately or authoritatively written book on the subject.

The Gould quote, as presented, has too many ellipses to be taken seriously. Conspiracy theorists have been doing that for years, snipping little phrases here and there and making Masons and Masonry appear to be saying all sorts of things that they don't really say. I'll have to look that particular one up before I can make any definitive response, but past history tells me this one is no different than the many that have already been proliferated.

The Pike quote (though you do not actually identify it as such) I can attest to, that in context, it is not what it is made to appear to be here. Pike has been a favorite of the conspiracists, because he was so wordy, and the context of some of his points goes on for so long, that entire paragraphs can be lifted, in some cases, and made to appear to say something that was never intended--and if "out of context" is raised against it, the very length of it is appealed to as "proof" that it is not out of context.

The Hall quote from Lectures on Ancient Philosophy is out of context, too. In the words that immediately follow what was quoted, it becomes clear that what Hall was referring to was, a group of about a handful of Masons, who had left a legacy that so far outshone the general lot of Masons, in character and in being all that Masonry intends, that they outshine the rest. That, and only that, is what was intended by a "mysterious arcanum arcanorum" and "inner society."

To your credit, at least you did not go the general route of antimasonic accusers, who snip out portions of the Hall quote; nor did you follow the general lot of them who cut & paste from other antimasonic websites, for I have found that most of them simply proliferate one another's stuff by repitition. The way I recognized this was, In doing so, they rendered "arcanum arcanorum" as "arcannaum arcandrum." I did an exposee on it here at Christianforums a couple of years ago, and the hits on that error had expanded to 100 or more in a browser search.

But to your detriment, you still buy into the false conspiracies and the same old worn-out Pike and Hall quotes used to support them.

 

[Rev Wayne]

In order to reach their aims of world unity and thus engage the whole world in service to the Plan, "enlightened" Freemasons and New Agers have been pushing for collectivist motifs that promote monistic pantheism and unity. This is why the chief instigators to the globalist League of Nations and the United Nations have been Theosophists, trying to work out the plan. This is why the verbiage and aims at the U.N. is for world peace and brotherhood. It is a spiritual undertaking in a secular world. Lucis Trust has had three think-tanks located at the U.N. Plaza in New York for around fifty years. No wonder the former Assistant Secretary General to the U.N., Robert Muller, is a devoted disciple of Alice Bailey, whose book, A Treatise on White Magic, forms the basis for the Robert Muller schools. (The Leavening)

Alice Bailey was a woman, and therefore the whole premise fails on this one, since she obviously was never a Freemason.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Rev Wayne,

Boy Scouts are the most comparable organization to the Masons that I can think of. The principles are practically identical.

But if the truth isnt based on what the boy scouts do, who cares? … or at least ignore the error the scouts make as well.

 

[Archivist]

[But if the truth isnt based on what the boy scouts do, who cares? … or at least ignore the error the scouts make as well.

What error? Since when is allowing people to believe in the faith of their own chosing "error?"

Once again, are you saying that such organizations should only be open to Christians? That there is no room for other views?

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Rev Wayne,

Well, I haven't heard that particular ending for a prayer, but "in Jesus' name," yes, I've heard--and said--in lodge quite often. So I don't imagine "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" would be out of line either.

Ok that’s ok then; let me just double check, prayer to Father Son and Holy spirit instead of the great architect of the universe?
If that’s who the great architect of the universe is then why not God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, why use great architect of the universe?

Do you take any oaths? If so can you give an example?

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Archivist,

What error? Since when is allowing people to believe in the faith of their own chosing "error?"

They do that with any organistaion that doesnt require a belief, but I thought someone said freemasonry requires a belief in god/God?

Once again, are you saying that such organizations should only be open to Christians? That there is no room for other views?

How? For Islam there is only one god Allah, but for Christians there is only one God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
I mean either the people dont have the faith you are saying they have, or freemasonry is tricking them.

 

[AoDoA]

Arthur Ward is highly esoteric and hardly mainstream when it comes to Masonry.

Golden Dawn is not a true Masonic organization, they are an irregularly formed group, unaffiliated with Freemasonry as we speak of it here. Comparing them to Masonry is like calling Jehovah's Witnesses an orthodox Christian group.

LaVey has nothing to do with Masonry except in someone's fertile imagination.

Manly Hall wrote "Lost Keys of Freemasonry" 30 years before he ever became a Mason--hardly a legitimately or authoritatively written book on the subject.

The Gould quote, as presented, has too many ellipses to be taken seriously. Conspiracy theorists have been doing that for years, snipping little phrases here and there and making Masons and Masonry appear to be saying all sorts of things that they don't really say. I'll have to look that particular one up before I can make any definitive response, but past history tells me this one is no different than the many that have already been proliferated.

The Pike quote (though you do not actually identify it as such) I can attest to, that in context, it is not what it is made to appear to be here. Pike has been a favorite of the conspiracists, because he was so wordy, and the context of some of his points goes on for so long, that entire paragraphs can be lifted, in some cases, and made to appear to say something that was never intended--and if "out of context" is raised against it, the very length of it is appealed to as "proof" that it is not out of context.

The Hall quote from Lectures on Ancient Philosophy is out of context, too. In the words that immediately follow what was quoted, it becomes clear that what Hall was referring to was, a group of about a handful of Masons, who had left a legacy that so far outshone the general lot of Masons, in character and in being all that Masonry intends, that they outshine the rest. That, and only that, is what was intended by a "mysterious arcanum arcanorum" and "inner society."

To your credit, at least you did not go the general route of antimasonic accusers, who snip out portions of the Hall quote; nor did you follow the general lot of them who cut & paste from other antimasonic websites, for I have found that most of them simply proliferate one another's stuff by repitition. The way I recognized this was, In doing so, they rendered "arcanum arcanorum" as "arcannaum arcandrum." I did an exposee on it here at Christianforums a couple of years ago, and the hits on that error had expanded to 100 or more in a browser search.

But to your detriment, you still buy into the false conspiracies and the same old worn-out Pike and Hall quotes used to support them.

you are either in EXTREME denial, or hopelessly brainwashed by your "brothers" or your a liar

there are no other options in my mind and I will pray for you

 

[AoDoA]

Alice Bailey was a woman, and therefore the whole premise fails on this one, since she obviously was never a Freemason.

I was establishing the link between the new age and freemasonry

they are bound at the hip

 

[AoDoA]

oh and H.P. Blavatsky was made an honoary Mason because of her book "The Secret Doctrine" which influenced Hitler concerning the superior Aryan blood

you are playing with serious fire my friend

not only are you a part of this organization but you are trying to convince fellow Christians that being a part of it is ok

and its not

I promise you that God is NOT happy about that and I just hope you figure it out before its too late and that you are not too hopelessly brainwashed

God is not happy with me about a lot of things as well(like all of us) but I don't pretend that my sins are honorable and good

thats a big no no in the eyes of the almighty(and it ain't the eye on the top of the pyramid)