Col.2{16} uhhh...cording to scripture

[Steve Petersen]

Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Definition
Telos 5056
1) end
1a) termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be
(always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end
of a period of time)
1b) the end
1b1) the last in any succession or series
1b2) eternal
1c) that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue

1d) the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose

 

[Steve Petersen]

You can't have Christ saying on the one hand that the law will never lose authority (Luke 16:17) and on the other hand ending or abolishing it.

 

[Frogster]

You can't have Christ saying on the one hand that the law will never lose authority (Luke 16:17) and on the other hand ending or abolishing it.

The law,can also mean the OT.No one wants the ot gone,but in the Ot,was a great word..

The just shall live by faith.

Speaking of Luke 16..

16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.

Did Jesus fulfill the law,on the cross?

 

[Frogster]

You can't have Christ saying on the one hand that the law will never lose authority (Luke 16:17) and on the other hand ending or abolishing it.

Why didn't paul,want the law taught to the church,tim was in charge of?

 

[Steve Petersen]

The law,can also mean the OT.No one wants the ot gone,but in the Ot,was a great word..

The just shall live by faith.

Speaking of Luke 16..

16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.

Did Jesus fulfill the law,on the cross?

In the sense of revealing its ultimate goal or purpose, certainly. Does that negate the Law? Hardly. It establishes it. Do we make the law void by our faith?

 

[Steve Petersen]

Why didn't paul,want the law taught to the church,tim was in charge of?

Hit me. I am not sure what you are talking about.

 

[New_Wineskin]

Originally Posted by WailingWall

Theres so many scriptures that speak about the meat and drink off the new moons, feast days and sabbaths.
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How many ? What do they speak about them ? How do they apply to me ?

Here are a few of those scriptures which talk about the same things as Col.2{16}

Neh. 10:33
For the shewbread, and for the continual meat offering, and for the continual burnt offering, of the sabbaths, of the new moons, for the set feasts, and for the holy things, and for the sin offerings to make an atonement for Israel, and for all the work of the house of our God.

Isaiah 1:13-14
Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. [14] Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

The scripture below has them in the same exact order as Col.2{16}

Ezekiel 45:17
And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Hosea 2:11
I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

That's all ?
Ok . How about my question about how they apply to me ?

 

[Timothew]

1d) the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose

τέλος

From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid) -- + continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost.

These things relate to finishing. Once I reach the city at the end of the highway, do I stay on the highway or do I enter the city?

The greek is better than the english, thanks for pointing that out and making my point even clearer. So I'll say it again, Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

So the righteousness can't come from the law, that is ended. It has to come from Christ.

Let's go everyday without a sabbath thread. Let's stop telling people that they need to keep the sabbath. Could we go a week without a sabbath thread?

 

[Timothew]

It is the same word used in 1 Peter 1:9. Here the NIV translates 'telos' as 'goal.'

Peter is writing about the day Jesus Christ returns. We have not seen Him, but we have faith that He is. When He returns, we will see Him. We won't need faith then, We will see Him face to face. Who hopes to obtain what he already has? So Christ is the END of the law now, and will the END of faith then, when He returns.

 

[New_Wineskin]

It is the same word used in 1 Peter 1:9. Here the NIV translates 'telos' as 'goal.'

Peter is writing about the day Jesus Christ returns. We have not seen Him, but we have faith that He is. When He returns, we will see Him. We won't need faith then, We will see Him face to face. Who hopes to obtain what he already has? So Christ is the END of the law now, and will the END of faith then, when He returns.

You are mixing up faith and hope . You still believe ( have faith in ) Him when you see Him . Hope disapears because you already have your goal . Faith continues .

 

[Frogster]

In the sense of revealing its ultimate goal or purpose, certainly. Does that negate the Law? Hardly. It establishes it. Do we make the law void by our faith?

Hit me. I am not sure what you are talking about.

ok,hit you.

ok,lets look at the context of Rom 3;31.Establish the law.

It came after 3 chapters,of judging all the sinners.In chapter one,we see all the worst.

Ok,then In 1 timothy 1,we see the same list..killers,thieves etc.

Yet,Paul said he did not want the law taught to tim's church.

He said the law is not for the just,in 1 tim 1;9.

Ok,so yes,the law stands for the unsaved,to lead to christ,then as Paul said,we are not under law,we died to it.

So as jb phillips said,we keep the law,in it's proper place.

It is a tutor,a pedagoge,as per gal 3,'but now that faith has come,we are no longer under a disciplinarian."

Gal 3;25 correlates with Rom 10;4,now that faith has come,we are no longer under law,and Christ is the end of the law.FOR THAEM THAT BELIEVE.

Faith is the keyword in 10;4 and gal 3;25.

Because...drum..roll.....


gal 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”


there ya go,a right hook,followed by an upercut.

 

[Frogster]

τέλος

From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid) -- + continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost.

These things relate to finishing. Once I reach the city at the end of the highway, do I stay on the highway or do I enter the city?

The greek is better than the english, thanks for pointing that out and making my point even clearer. So I'll say it again, Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

So the righteousness can't come from the law, that is ended. It has to come from Christ.

Let's go everyday without a sabbath thread. Let's stop telling people that they need to keep the sabbath. Could we go a week without a sabbath thread?

Tally ho!
I agree.

 

[Steve Petersen]

τέλος

From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid) -- + continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost.

These things relate to finishing. Once I reach the city at the end of the highway, do I stay on the highway or do I enter the city?

The greek is better than the english, thanks for pointing that out and making my point even clearer. So I'll say it again, Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

So the righteousness can't come from the law, that is ended. It has to come from Christ.

Let's go everyday without a sabbath thread. Let's stop telling people that they need to keep the sabbath. Could we go a week without a sabbath thread?

Doesn't Communion point to 'the goal?' Why keep doing it if it has been fulfilled?

 

[Timothew]

Doesn't Communion point to 'the goal?' Why keep doing it if it has been fulfilled?

In communion we proclaim the Lord's death until He returns. He hasn't yet returned, so we keep doing it. We have faith that He will return.

 

[Steve Petersen]

In communion we proclaim the Lord's death until He returns. He hasn't yet returned, so we keep doing it. We have faith that He will return.

If Passover is about the death of Jesus, how does this differ from communion? For believers, Passover is comemmoritive as well.

 

[Frogster]

If Passover is about the death of Jesus, how does this differ from communion? For believers, Passover is comemmoritive as well.

When Jews today,celebrate the passover,do they acknowledge Jesus?

 

[Timothew]

If Passover is about the death of Jesus, how does this differ from communion? For believers, Passover is comemmoritive as well.

How about this?

Passover was the prophecy,
Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophecy,
and Communion is the rememberance of His Sacrifice.

 

[Timothew]

1d) the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose

Using this definition of telos,

How do you translate Luke 1:33?

His kingdom will be without purpose?

 

[Steve Petersen]

Using this definition of telos,

How do you translate Luke 1:33?

His kingdom will be without purpose?

You have to look at the context. If the context excludes the definition then it is not valid.

If the context allows more than one definition then you have to broaden the context. I am just stating the Romans 10:4 could be read either way, requiring a broader interpretive scheme. This is one problem with prooftexting.

 

[squint]

Hebrews 11:
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.