Hell's Pop Clock

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Since beginning this topic on May 5, 2009, twenty-seven days have gone by, not counting today. Using my original figure of 2,448 condemned Americans per day, a total of 66,096 US citizens have been added to the population count of Hell since beginning the topic.

Worldwide, the tally is roughly 1,461,888 and the clock is still running, adding a minimum of 2,256 new arrivals in Hell every sixty minutes. The netherworld must surely be a clamorous, seething sea of nameless, forgotten souls. You know, sometimes I really have to wonder if paintings depicting Dante's Divine Comedy really do it justice.

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†. Isa 66:23-24 . . From one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me; testifies Yhvh. And they will go out and gaze upon the carcasses of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.

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Since beginning this topic on May 5, 2009, at 5:29pm PDT, forty-eight days and nineteen hours have gone by. Using my original figure of 2,448 condemned Americans per day, a total of 119,442 US citizens have been added to the population count of Hell since beginning the topic.

Worldwide, the tally is roughly 2,600,698 and the clock is still running, adding a minimum of 2,256 new arrivals in perdition every sixty minutes.

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RE: If "Hell" is real and all things were made for God's pleasure (Revelation 4:11), is it conceivable that God would get pleasure from seeing those He created (in His own image, no less) endlessly tortured?

†. Rev 4:11 . . Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

The KJV's "pleasure" is a bit misleading. The Greek word is thelema (thel'-ay-mah) which means: a determination, a choice (purpose, decree, volition)

Here's a better English translation from the NIV.

"for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."

Here's the same from the NASV.

"because of Thy will they existed, and were created."

And from the official Catholic version.

"for you created all things: because of your will they came to be and were created."

"pleasure" is accurate enough, but ambiguous. It leaves the impression that God derives glee from all the things He created; when in fact, all that passage is saying is that He created all things for Himself, and by Himself, simply because He alone decided to.

Yes, God created Hell, but it was originally intended for dark beings rather than for human beings.

†. Mtt 25:41 . . Then he will say to those on his left: Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.

Surely no one who donates their only son's life towards mankind's betterment can possibly derive pleasure from human suffering.

†. John 3:16-18 . . God so cared for the world, that He donated His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

One of my favorite beatitudes is this one:

†.Mtt 5:7 . . Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

Jesus wasn't talking about forgiveness in that beatitude. The word for "merciful" is eleemon (el-eh-ay'-mone) which means: compassionate. And the word for "mercy" is eleeo (el-eh-eh'-o) which means: to pity; viz: to be tender, kindhearted, responsive, sympathetic, warm, warmhearted, cordial, and accommodating.

When Jesus felt sorry for a widow's loss of her only son, I have no doubt that God felt sorry for her too. A prime example of mercy in action is the parable of the good Samaritan.

So then, what Jesus is saying is: cruel people— those that are thoughtless, unresponsive, and indifferent to their fellow man; those who lack the milk of human kindness —will get no sympathy from God whatsoever.

Anyway, the Bible's God is rich in mercy (Eph 2:4).

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There's precious little mercy or compassion I see in this thread WH, at least from yourself at any rate. In fact I'ne never seen such a practically gleeful fixation with the topic....

 

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Since beginning this topic on May 5, 2009, at 5:29pm PDT, almost 1,875 hours have transpired.

Using my original figure of 2,448 condemned Americans per civil day, a total of 191,250 US citizens have been added to the population count of Hell since beginning the topic.

Worldwide, the tally is roughly 4,230,000 and the clock is still running, adding a minimum of 2,256 new arrivals in Hell every sixty minutes.

†. Mtt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

†. Mtt 22:14 . . For many are invited, but few are chosen.

C.L.I.F.F.
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Since beginning this topic on May 5, 2009, at 5:29pm PDT, almost 1,875 hours have transpired.

Using my original figure of 2,448 condemned Americans per civil day, a total of 191,250 US citizens have been added to the population count of Hell since beginning the topic.

Worldwide, the tally is roughly 4,230,000 and the clock is still running, adding a minimum of 2,256 new arrivals in Hell every sixty minutes.

†. Mtt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

†. Mtt 22:14 . . For many are invited, but few are chosen.

C.L.I.F.F.
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Well hey, lets break out the champagne then yeh?

 

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RE: Well hey, lets break out the champagne then yeh?

Though I prefer to focus on the negative aspects of Hell, there's a bright side too.

Working with the same facts and figures from msgs #1 and #105, then it's possible that 183,750 adult-age American citizens made it to safety during those 1,875 hours along with 187,500 underage children.

Worldwide, it's possible that 4,065,260 adult-age people made it to safety, along with 4,148,224 underage kids.

There's a couple of difficulties associated with the children.

Number one is: kids don't stay kids forever; no, they mature; and when they do, human nature being what it is, transforms them into grown-up adult sinners.

Number two: the Bible's Jesus said that nobody, no exceptions, can enter the kingdom of God sans a second birth. In point of fact, he testified that a second birth is not an option; no, it's a must.

†. John 3:3 . . I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born from above.

†. John 3:6-7 . .You should not be perplexed at my saying you must be born again.

The second-birth requirement cannot be waived, not even for children. So then, somewhere along the line those 4,148,224 kids have to undergo a regeneration just as the adults do.

Regeneration is miraculous: it's actually a supernatural act of God that easily qualifies as a re-Genesis because beneficiaries of a second birth are citizens of a new creation, and members of a whole different family of Man.

†. 2Cor 5:17 . .If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

†. Isa 65:17 . . Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

†. 2Pet 3:10-13 . .The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare . .That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth

†. Rev 21:1 . .Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away

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RE: Well hey, lets break out the champagne then yeh?

Though I prefer to focus on the negative aspects of Hell, there's a bright side too.

Working with the same facts and figures from msgs #1 and #105, then it's possible that 183,750 adult-age American citizens made it to safety during those 1,875 hours along with 187,500 underage children.

Worldwide, it's possible that 4,065,260 adult-age people made it to safety, along with 4,148,224 underage kids.

There's a couple of difficulties associated with the children.

Number one is: kids don't stay kids forever; no, they mature; and when they do, human nature being what it is, transforms them into grown-up adult sinners.

Number two: the Bible's Jesus said that nobody, no exceptions, can enter the kingdom of God sans a second birth. In point of fact, he testified that a second birth is not an option; no, it's a must.

†. John 3:3 . . I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born from above.

†. John 3:6-7 . .You should not be perplexed at my saying you must be born again.

The second-birth requirement cannot be waived, not even for children. So then, somewhere along the line those 4,148,224 kids have to undergo a regeneration just as the adults do.

Regeneration is miraculous: it's actually a supernatural act of God that easily qualifies as a re-Genesis because beneficiaries of a second birth are citizens of a new creation, and members of a whole different family of Man.

†. 2Cor 5:17 . .If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

†. Isa 65:17 . . Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

†. 2Pet 3:10-13 . .The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare . .That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth

†. Rev 21:1 . .Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away

C.L.I.F.F.
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Did you know that augustine (who was instrumental in founding the 'orthodox' doctrine of hell teaching) believed that children and babies went to hell because they weren't born again? There's apparently nothing in scripture that would contradict that in relation to what is required for a persons salvation from the "orthodox" approach. So if kids go to this hell is that righteous and just? And if they don't is it not better to die before any "age of accountability" is attained?

Frankly I think the whole thing is fabricated from the darkest realms of the human psyche but I'd be intrigued to hear you answer this....

 

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RE: it not better to die before any "age of accountability" is attained?

Departing this life before the age of reason and accountability does not guarantee one's future safety.

Deceased children come into existence with their ancestor Adam's fallen human nature; ergo: they have a natural propensity to sin, especially to lie. So then, it is essential that they undergo a second birth as per John 3:3-11, and a special kind of circumcision as per Col 2:11-12.

The Roman Catholic Church used to teach a place called Limbo; but discontinued the practice. However, I think maybe they were on to something because deceased underage children have got to go somewhere and finish growing up; and when they do, a second birth will become essential if they're to have any hope at all of obtaining eternal happiness.

The Bible's Jesus said that nobody, no exceptions, can enter the kingdom of God sans a second birth. In point of fact, he testified that a second birth is not an option; no, it's a must.

†. John 3:3 . . I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born from above.

†. John 3:6-7 . .You should not be perplexed at my saying you must be born again.

The second-birth requirement cannot be waived, not even for children. So then, somewhere along the line deceased kids have to undergo regeneration just as adults do.

Regeneration is miraculous: it's actually a supernatural act of God that easily qualifies as a re-Genesis because beneficiaries of a second birth are citizens of a new creation, and members of a whole different family of Man.

†. 2Cor 5:17 . .If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

†. Isa 65:17 . . Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

†. 2Pet 3:10-13 . .The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare . .That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth

†. Rev 21:1 . .Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away

C.L.I.F.F.
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wow this level of literal fundamentalism is somewhat disturbing.....

 

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Since beginning this topic on May 5, 2009, at 5:29pm PDT, roughly 2,756 hours have transpired.

Using my original figure of 2,448 condemned Americans per civil day, a total of 278,624 US citizens have been added to the population count of Hell since beginning the topic.

Worldwide, the tally is roughly 6,163,392 and the clock is still running, adding a minimum of 2,256 new arrivals in Hell every sixty minutes.

†. Mtt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

†. Mtt 22:14 . . For many are invited, but few are chosen.

C.L.I.F.F.
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Of course it all depends on how you define hell and how you view the nature of man.

 

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My final posting in the Hell series targeted demented women like Lorena Bobbitt. Unfortunately, it was summarily deleted by a female moderator who took offense at the post as being "sexually explicit" and "denigrating to women". (I can't help but wonder if the female moderator would have reacted the same way had the message been construed as denigrating to men instead of women.)

Anyway, whoever's interested in reading the final installment may obtain a copy of it from me via the private messaging system. Just drop me a line and I'll get one off to you.

C.L.I.F.F.
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never saw the first posting, it likely preceded me registering for the forum.

 

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RE: never saw the first posting, it likely preceded me registering for the forum.

I sent a copy to your private message inbox. Let me know if it doesn't arrive.

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Since beginning this topic on May 5, 2009, at 5:29pm PDT, roughly 167.5 days have transpired.

Using my original figure of 2,448 condemned Americans per civil day, yields a total of 410,040 US citizens have been added to the population count of Hell since beginning the topic.

Worldwide, the tally is roughly 9,069,120 and the clock is still running, adding a minimum of 2,256 new arrivals in Hell every sixty minutes.

†. John 4:35 . . Do you not say: There are yet four months, and then comes the harvest? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes, and look on the fields, that they are white for harvest.

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†. Mtt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

†. Mtt 22:14 . . For many are invited, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines many as: consisting of, or amounting to, a large but indefinite number

few is defined as: consisting of, or amounting to, only a small number; viz: not many; i.e. some, but indeterminately small in number

According to Webster's then; few means a small percentage, and many means a large percentage; viz: most.

As of 05/05/09 @ 07:51 pm EST, there were approximately 306,362,390 people alive in the USA with a death rate of approximately one every 12 seconds; which amounts to 7,200 American deaths during just one 24-hour day.

Allowing for say, 1/3rd of those 7,200 daily American deaths to be underage children, that would leave 4,800 adult-age Americans crossing over to the other side every day. Giving them the benefit of the doubt by setting the minimum percentage of the many at 51%, would indicate that 2,448 Americans are taken to perdition each day: roughly 102 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as The Lord didn't really specify exact percentages to represent the quantities few and many. Just think; by the time Katie Couric completes her half-hour evening report, a bare bones minimum of 51 Americans transfer to the Bible's hell.

Using the ratio of 102 condemned souls per hour per 306,362,390 population: computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated population of 6,777,919,509 rounds out to something like 2,256 new arrivals in Hell every sixty minutes on the clock. Those numbers would fill the new 51,800 seat Yankee Stadium in just under one day, with one hour and two minutes to spare.

Christmas and New Year's are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to 12.2% higher; and believe me folks, the Bible's God makes no exceptions for those holidays; no, none at all. Souls never stop cascading into the dungeons of Hell in an endless stream like chocolate kisses on a Hershey's conveyor belt.

Up to this point, I've only estimated the number of souls transferring to the infernal regions with current population numbers. There are people languishing in the Bible's hell this very moment, even as you read this, who have been there not only since the time of Christ, nor even since the time of the Pyramids, but since the Flood. I won't speculate on how many years that might be, but Egypt's first pyramid, the Step Pyramid of Djoser, was about 4,600 years ago. The damned from Djoser's era have not only spent 4,600 years in the Bible's hell already, but they have another 4,600 yet to go, and another 4,600 years to go after that. Even after existing in the Bible's hell for 100 billion years, people will still have that many more years out ahead of them; and new souls have been pouring in down there during all the years since Djoser.

Note: To date; approximately 4,282 Americans have died in Iraq since the war began March 19, 2003. In that same period of time— 2,239 days — homeland deaths total approximately 16,120,800. That's a ratio of 3,766 to 1. It appears safer for American soldiers in Iraq than for citizens in the USA.

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Do you think maybe that your time would be better spent learning how to do good on the earth rather than all these "calculations" of how many people are going to Hell?

What an unbelievable waste of time on such pseudo theological speculation.

 

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I noticed you're an Ozzy fan. Have you been watching Kelly Osbourne on Dancing With The Stars? She's doing pretty good. Last night the judges gave her three 8's after performing a Paso Doble to the music of a non-Randy Rhoads rendition of Crazy Train.

Her dad was in the audience but wasn't interviewed.

RE: Do you think maybe that your time would be better spent learning how to do good on the earth rather than all these "calculations" of how many people are going to Hell?

If you’re serious about learning to do good on the earth, then you'll profit from one of my other threads titled: Christianity’s Commandments.

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I just find it bizarre that someone would spend time sitting down with calculator in hand, estimating how many people (at least as you say) are going to Hell. In the end, nobody truly knows who is saved and who isn't. Why don't you let God concern himself on who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell and we can concern ourselves with more important matters. Because in the end, even if you were 100% correct (which I'm sure you are so far wrong it's not funny), what difference does it make? None at all. And no I didn't watch Kelly Osbourne. I don't like the majority of these celebrity children, even if they're from my favourite band. Most of them are just spoilt brats. Including Kelly Osbourne. I do genuinely like the daughter (Toni-Marie Iommi) of Sabbath's guitarist (Tony Iommi). I've never heard any scandal of her and she is in her own band (Lunar Mile). Heck, she's hot too!

 

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Since beginning this topic on May 5, 2009, at 5:29pm PDT, roughly 265 days have transpired.

Using my original figure of 2,448 condemned Americans per civil day, yields a total of 648,720 US citizens have been added to the population count of Hell since beginning the topic.

Worldwide, the tally is roughly 14,348,160 and the clock is still running, adding a minimum of 2,256 new arrivals in Hell every sixty minutes.

†. Mtt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

†. Mtt 22:14 . . For many are invited, but few are chosen.

C.L.I.F.F.
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