Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation?

[sandwiches]

So, what about evolution. I cannot even remember what the whole debate is about. It turned into unsubstantiated hopelessness without the inkling of morals or something or other. Sandwiches, you are a pretty good guy.

Thanks, I appreciate that. I think the started as a debate of whether 'god did it' is a valid explanation for anything. I don't remember where the argument is, at this point, however.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation? It doesn't matter if it's an untestable one, but does it count as an explanation?

In that respect, is it a scientific hypothesis, albeit a woefully poor one?

Oh, ya, God did it and I could have not done it myself. I could not die for my sins. God did it when He sent His Son to die for my sins, and anyone else's sins for that matter. I think good science backs up the bible, for the bible is truth. Fudged science from liars will make the bible look like nonsense. As for wisdom, read proverbs. History runs from cover to cover. We know that those who win the wars write history. So the Israelites have survived all these years and the Father of Israel wrote history. Even prophesied that Israel would become a nation again. God did it all. Praise JESUS!

 

[sandwiches]

Oh, ya, God did it and I could have not done it myself. I could not die for my sins. God did it when He sent His Son to die for my sins, and anyone else's sins for that matter. I think good science backs up the bible, for the bible is truth. Fudged science from liars will make the bible look like nonsense. As for wisdom, read proverbs. History runs from cover to cover. We know that those who win the wars write history. So the Israelites have survived all these years and the Father of Israel wrote history. Even prophesied that Israel would become a nation again. God did it all. Praise JESUS!

Do you believe that everyone involved in science that contradicts the Bible is involved in a smear campaign against the Bible? How do you feel about the many Christian scientists who have brought forth evidence that contradicts the Bible? Do you think they're also liars?

 

[kenblaster5000]

Maybe not. I just wonder what exactly happens in people's lives that they feel they've made contact or have had some sort of supernatural experience. Like do people feel braver, stronger, smarter? All of the above? If so, how can they distinguish between a true outside force imbuing you with these properties versus your will to want those things. I mean, even without a specific belief or faith in the Bible god, cowards act bravely, weaklings gain strength, and many people excel intellectually past what they thought was their limit, etc. So, I wonder if whatever mechanism produces changes in these nonbelievers isn't the same for Christians? How would we be able to tell the difference?

I do not know about everyone's experiences, just my own. I have read the bible and God does what He says He will do.

Mark 16: 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

I have cast out demons and speak in tongues I never studied before. I wanted to know if they were true, and not counterfeit, so I speak the words and picture them. I have found them in a spanish dictionary. Tongues are a way that I know God exists, for He has given me a gift. I may not be able to prove He exists, but I know.

I feel braver, stronger, and smarter. I know that the Lord is on my side.

I want everything that God wants me to have.

I have always been pretty intelligent, but not the smartest. I have always wanted to be brave, but was often a coward, and not the strongest, kinda shy. God's word builds me up, so does praying in the Spirit.

I have not excelled still in many facets. I work as a cook at dairy queen, but that really does not matter to me. If I was not there, who would tell people about Jesus Christ. God is not just going to give you a million dollars. He will give you other things more valuable than gold or silver, knowledge, understanding, wisdom. I do not know yet all He has given me. I still need to open up the gifts He has given me.

I am sorry. I do not know how to answer all of these questions. It can be quite complex. I do know that I have alot of questions and if I ask God, He will most likely lead me to the answer. It may take awhile, because He teaches so many things.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Do you believe that everyone involved in science that contradicts the Bible is involved in a smear campaign against the Bible? How do you feel about the many Christian scientists who have brought forth evidence that contradicts the Bible? Do you think they're also liars?

No, Darwin loved to adventure and was in religion when he was younger. I can say I do like adventure. I do not know about any Christian science that contradicts the bible. A Christian should not lie. Liars will have their part in the lake of fire.

I was stating personal opinion. I do not know everything about the arguments between evolution and creation. I do lean heavily toward creation science, though I do not know a whole lot about any of it. I do know that God exists.

I would reason that you most likely do not know if there is contradictions to the bible.

 

[kenblaster5000]

I am sometimes in playful mode, and other times in serious mode. I may get off track sometimes. Things may get a little bit boring. I am sorry if I say things without substantial proof. I guess I can be opinionated. I can get kind of flighty at times.

 

[sandwiches]

I do not know about everyone's experiences, just my own. I have read the bible and God does what He says He will do.

Mark 16: 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

I have cast out demons and speak in tongues I never studied before. I wanted to know if they were true, and not counterfeit, so I speak the words and picture them. I have found them in a spanish dictionary. Tongues are a way that I know God exists, for He has given me a gift. I may not be able to prove He exists, but I know.

Were you able to form entire intelligible sentences? Because if not, it's very easy to find that words exist in other languages that are created randomly. Also, usually gibberish is influenced by languages we're familiar with and won't diverge beyond the normal norms of those languages. For instance, I guarantee that despite your speaking in tongues, you won't be able to roll a single 'r' or double 'rr' like I am able to, without a lot of practice (Spanish being my first language and all.)

I feel braver, stronger, and smarter. I know that the Lord is on my side.

I want everything that God wants me to have.

How do you know what God wants you to have? How do you distinguish this from any other feeling of wanton or desire?

I have always been pretty intelligent, but not the smartest. I have always wanted to be brave, but was often a coward, and not the strongest, kinda shy. God's word builds me up, so does praying in the Spirit.

Personally, for me, it was the opposite. I was shy when I first arrived in the US due to the culture and language differences. However, coincidentally, I started becoming more assertive after I accepted that I couldn't believe in the Bible anymore. But again, I wonder how we could distinguish between those who became better because of an outside supernatural entity versus those who did it on their own.

I have not excelled still in many facets. I work as a cook at dairy queen, but that really does not matter to me. If I was not there, who would tell people about Jesus Christ. God is not just going to give you a million dollars. He will give you other things more valuable than gold or silver, knowledge, understanding, wisdom. I do not know yet all He has given me. I still need to open up the gifts He has given me.

I hope you're truly open to knowledge and wisdom. Remember:

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin

I am sorry. I do not know how to answer all of these questions. It can be quite complex. I do know that I have alot of questions and if I ask God, He will most likely lead me to the answer. It may take awhile, because He teaches so many things.

I wish you well on your journey and I hope you're happy, wherever it may take you.

 

[sandwiches]

No, Darwin loved to adventure and was in religion when he was younger. I can say I do like adventure. I do not know about any Christian science that contradicts the bible. A Christian should not lie. Liars will have their part in the lake of fire.

So, again, how do you feel abot Christian scientists like Kenneth Miller, who's one of evolution's most avid defenders AND a Catholic?

Or how about REVEREND Bob Bakker, another great supporter of evolution?

I was stating personal opinion. I do not know everything about the arguments between evolution and creation. I do lean heavily toward creation science, though I do not know a whole lot about any of it. I do know that God exists.

I would reason that you most likely do not know if there is contradictions to the bible.

I do know there's contradictions in the Bible.
As you'll probably ask me for some examples:

Regarding Joseph's dad:
Matthew 1:16 "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli."

Which came first: Men or beasts?
Beasts first:
Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Men first:
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

How many stalls did Solomon have?
1 Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
2 Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem."

These are just a few. For more, visit here:
A List Of Biblical Contradictions

 

[kenblaster5000]

Were you able to form entire intelligible sentences? Because if not, it's very easy to find that words exist in other languages that are created randomly. Also, usually gibberish is influenced by languages we're familiar with and won't diverge beyond the normal norms of those languages. For instance, I guarantee that despite your speaking in tongues, you won't be able to roll a single 'r' or double 'rr' like I am able to, without a lot of practice (Spanish being my first language and all.)


How do you know what God wants you to have? How do you distinguish this from any other feeling of wanton or desire?


Personally, for me, it was the opposite. I was shy when I first arrived in the US due to the culture and language differences. However, coincidentally, I started becoming more assertive after I accepted that I couldn't believe in the Bible anymore. But again, I wonder how we could distinguish between those who became better because of an outside supernatural entity versus those who did it on their own.


I hope you're truly open to knowledge and wisdom. Remember:

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin


I wish you well on your journey and I hope you're happy, wherever it may take you.

I cannot roll r's in spanish. Most of the words are one or two syllables. The Holy Spirit will pray through me. I do not always know what is being prayed. I can back it with scripture, but I do not know if that is necessary. I am used to being around other Christians. I speak biblese with them. I am a baby or teenage Christian and have been speaking tongues for about a year and a half, so it it still babyish.

I do not know what all God has for me. Those who are born of the Spirit do not always know where the wind comes from or blows to. I know through scripture that if I delight myself in the Lord, He will give me the desires of my heart. I long for those desires to be His desires. For instance, I care more about winning souls to the Lord, that creation or evolution. I do not even know if this is where I am to be evangelizing. I like to kind of sharpen my sword with some opposition at times. I admit some atheists are smarter than Christians. It depends. My purpose involves apologetics, studies of different doctrines, beliefs, and always from a Christian standpoint. That way I can keep my bearing.

I sure raise alot of questions.

Wisdom is somewhat knowing what to do with knowledge. It may have not been wise to degrade that person earlier, but I am protective of my daughter, naturally, and I can be defensive at times, with a heavy strike of offensive tactics. I have very strong morals and do not like mean people. In fact, I deal in alot of tactics. Chess, strategy games. For the most part, my beliefs are my business and I think our friend bit off more than he could chew. You have to size up the enemy. He merely likes to bash Christians because alot are foolish things. God chooses those foolish things to confound the wise. Not wise in God's wisdom, but what man sees as wisdom.

As for the illusion of knowledge, I guess I would have to agree. Knowledge of God may seem like illusion, but alot of it is spiritually discerned. God has set it up, so that we cannot know certain things unless we have His Holy Spirit. Alot of things would be better if we did not know them. I wish I never viewed pornography. I am a very visual person, have visions and dreams from the Lord and like to sanctify my eyes for His purpose.

I told you this is all complex. I can go on for hours.

 

[theFijian]

I have no children, but if I did, I certainly wouldn’t fill their heads with unsupported nonsense.

You'd raise your children according to your own world-view and hope to instil in your children the values that you hold to be true. Just like kenblaster.

I have no religious beliefs.

You hold to scientifically unverifiable philosophical assumptions just like everyone else, don't be so coy about it.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Were you able to form entire intelligible sentences? Because if not, it's very easy to find that words exist in other languages that are created randomly. Also, usually gibberish is influenced by languages we're familiar with and won't diverge beyond the normal norms of those languages. For instance, I guarantee that despite your speaking in tongues, you won't be able to roll a single 'r' or double 'rr' like I am able to, without a lot of practice (Spanish being my first language and all.)


How do you know what God wants you to have? How do you distinguish this from any other feeling of wanton or desire?


Personally, for me, it was the opposite. I was shy when I first arrived in the US due to the culture and language differences. However, coincidentally, I started becoming more assertive after I accepted that I couldn't believe in the Bible anymore. But again, I wonder how we could distinguish between those who became better because of an outside supernatural entity versus those who did it on their own.


I hope you're truly open to knowledge and wisdom. Remember:

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin


I wish you well on your journey and I hope you're happy, wherever it may take you.

So, again, how do you feel abot Christian scientists like Kenneth Miller, who's one of evolution's most avid defenders AND a Catholic?

Or how about REVEREND Bob Bakker, another great supporter of evolution?


I do know there's contradictions in the Bible.
As you'll probably ask me for some examples:

Regarding Jospeh's dad:
Matthew 1:16 "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli."

Which came first: Men or beats?
Beasts first:
Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Men first:
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

How many men did Solomon have?
1 Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
2 Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem."

These are just a few. For more, visit here:
A List Of Biblical Contradictions

Good job getting all that information. Is that knowledge that is illusion. I thought it would be better to be ignorant.

 

[kenblaster5000]

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Titus 3:9

But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.

1 Timothy 6:20

O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge-

Just a few things I found. I play by ear.

 

[kenblaster5000]

So, again, how do you feel abot Christian scientists like Kenneth Miller, who's one of evolution's most avid defenders AND a Catholic?

Or how about REVEREND Bob Bakker, another great supporter of evolution?


I do know there's contradictions in the Bible.
As you'll probably ask me for some examples:

Regarding Jospeh's dad:
Matthew 1:16 "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli."

Which came first: Men or beats?
Beasts first:
Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Men first:
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

How many men did Solomon have?
1 Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
2 Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem."

These are just a few. For more, visit here:
A List Of Biblical Contradictions

I already told you that I know what I believe about creation, evolution, and stuff like that. I do not care what these great thinkers or whatever say. God created everything in the beginning, and evolution is a farce in my opinion. It does not matter.

Are you going to heaven or to hell when you die? That is an important question.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

 

[kenblaster5000]

I have to be honest. I don't understand your answer. Is that a 'no?'

Remember this quote? Yes or no to Jesus Christ? That is the most important question.

 

[Wedjat]

Wait I don't understand...

You told sandwiches that you reasoned he didn't know of any contradictions in the Bible.

Sandwiches provided a short list of contradictions.

And your answer is that it doesn't matter?

Are you simultaneously shifting the goalposts and ignoring evidence or did you mean to convey something else?

 

[kenblaster5000]

Wait I don't understand...

You told sandwiches that you reasoned he didn't know of any contradictions in the Bible.

Sandwiches provided a short list of contradictions.

And your answer is that it doesn't matter?

Are you simultaneously shifting the goalposts and ignoring evidence or did you mean to convey something else?

I thanked him for getting the information and used a quote of his to show a contradiction with actually going to retrieve the information. Just another contradiction. Kind of ingenious if you think about it.

 

[kenblaster5000]

It did not have anything to do about contradictions in the bible. I have seen quite a few of those contradictions before. I do not know how to explain them.

 

[kenblaster5000]

I said, "I do not know of any Christian science that contradicts the bible." Not if there is any contradictions in the bible. KAPEEESH!

 

[Wedjat]

I would reason that you most likely do not know if there is contradictions to the bible.

Ah you said contradictions to the bible, not in the bible. I think sandwiches made that mistake as well, it was a little difficult weeding around your grammar (no offense).

Well one obvious scientific contradiction to (a literal interpretation of) Biblical text would be the theory of evolution.

Also bats are not birds and insects have 6 legs.

The longevity of human lifespan in OT is implausible at best.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Ah you said contradictions to the bible, not in the bible. I think sandwiches made that mistake as well, it was a little difficult weeding around your grammar (no offense).

I looked at the wrong quote, but still that was pretty funny. Poor guy wasting his time looking for contradictions that I do not even care about. He will be a great servant of the Lord. Most atheists want the Christians to do all the work. Way to go the extra mile. (I mean that)