Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation?

[BananaSlug]

What evidence do I have of your first pair of shoes? None!

Evidence of my first pair of shoes =/= evidence of God creating the earth.

Does this mean that if we do have evidence of something it definitely exists? We have transitional fossils, genetic data, embryology, etc.

Does this mean there is no evidence of your first pair of shoes?

I have baby photos.

Does this mean you didn’t have a first pair of shoes?

In a courtroom, if the prosecution does not have any evidence to show the defendent commited a crime, he would be acquited due to lack of evidence.

My lack of evidence does not change the fact that you did have a first pair of shoes, which makes my lack of evidence irrelevant.

I am quite alive right now and I have shoes. It stands to reason that if I am currently living and have a pair of shoes then sometime in my life I received my first pair of shoes.
God is currently not available to see if he created the world. He might have created it yet the only evidence he left was in the Bible. There are also many other religions that claim the earth was made by their god(s). If all of these manuscripts claim the world was made by their deities, and there is no physical evidence available in the world, then we must acquit due to lack of evidence. There is no way of knowing which is right if there is no other evidence.

If it's not scientific, then it's not true, right?

It it is true, it can be verified through science. Totally different concept.

Because scientists are omniscient, right?

No. Scientists are wrong a lot. The difference is we change when we realize we are wrong.

If God exist, they must know, right?

No. A supernatural deity would be outside the boundary of science yet there is no indirect evidence a deity exists. If a supernatural deity refuses to show itself and there is no way to reliably test for a deity why assume there is one?

If they don't know, He doesn't exist, right?

No. Not knowing=/= does not exist.

 

[kenblaster5000]

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I must say that I have a hard time with those who do not listen and take me for an idiot, or do not accept me for who I say I am. In the bible, this is accepting a righteous man in the name of a righteous man, to get a righteous man's reward.

Jesus Christ does not live in just my mind anymore. He abides in me, and I abide in Him, or I am learning now to abide in Him. My children become Christians because I sow a good seed into them. When I was a terrible father I sowed bad seeds, and have reaped bad fruit from my children, now that I sow good seed in them and myself, they and I bear good fruit. It helps that expecially my younger daughter listens, respects, and loves me. In the bible, Christians are sometimes characterized as sheep. Sheep beget sheep, right? A real Christian begets in the Spirit real Christians. My children will follow Jesus Christ by their own choice, but I must do my job to raise them in the fear and admonition of the Lord, so that when they are older they will not depart. I will be given a reward in heaven for how I stewarded or shepherded my own children and if I was faithful with what the Lord has given me.

As for Buddha, I have tried the Buddhist stuff, new age and such, but all Buddha really did was try to show people how to become enlightened. That is well and good, but even the devil tried to offer the same to Eve and Adam in the garden. It is lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, and the (pride) of life that the devil tempts with. The devil is called satan, the accuser, and lucifer, the light bringer. He is a deceitful angel of false light. Jesus Christ comes personally to earth, fully God, but in the flesh, to show His creation how to live. He comes personally to take us there. The whole old testament builds up for the climax of Him arriving to earth in the new testament. Then the church is started, He sent the Holy Spirit to the disciple, now apostles to give them the words to speak and/ or write for the new testament. Jesus Christ is in us, the hope of glory. Demons sometimes manifest in people to control them, but Jesus Christ comes into our heart, the center of our life, because He knocks on the door of our heart and we let Him in. Buddha could not do that. How could this Buddha top the one who created us?

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. Our Father, or as others know Him, the creator, spoke the word and the Holy Spirit carried it out. That is how the whole universe was made and now we who are born-again can call those things that are not, as if they were. Yes, I can prophesy good or bad into my life. Us humans do it all the time. That is why children who are raised bad have problems. Words can kill or they can bring life. Sorry to overburden you here, but God pours His Spirit into me and His words and they pour out. I am blessed, you be blessed as well.

 

[kenblaster5000]

In other words, you’ve indoctrinated your children with your unwarranted beliefs.


So she’s an atheist then? How does that sit with you?

Can you discern right and wrong by God's standards? I am proud of my daughter, she chooses to be loving, respectful, and caring. She will come to the knowledge and understanding of who Jesus Christ is. She has excepted Him into her heart. You can deny Him all you want. We are either justified by the words out of our own mouth, or condemned by our own words. I would exhort you to choose your words very carefully, the judge of the whole earth stands at the door. Be blessed.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Here we have another example of religious belief being used as a shield against the harshness of reality. Are you afraid of dying? Don’t worry, your religion teaches that you will never really die. Are you reluctant to accept responsibility for your actions? Never mind, your religion teaches that someone else was executed so that you could evade a penalty for crimes that you may commit.


And here is another example of the binary mode of thinking and tendency towards extreme or polarized positions prevalent among religious believers. It is trying to apply this black or white thinking to a world that is predominantly shades of grey that causes so much trouble.

I am not afraid of dying. To live is Christ and to die is gain. If we sow to the flesh, we will reap corruption, but if we sow to the spirit, eternal life. Thank God, Jesus Christ died for me, because I have been a sinner. So have you. All have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God.

As for black and white. If our eyes are full of light, then we will be as well, but if they are filled with darkness, then the whole body with darkness. And that darkness is not great. As for the grey area, why don't get off the fence. Either make the tree good, or make it bad. A bad tree produces bad fruit, and a good tree produces good fruit. Sorry it is simple biology, but sometimes it has to be simple so that the lowest common denominator like myself can understand it.

 

[kenblaster5000]

I have no children, but if I did, I certainly wouldn’t fill their heads with unsupported nonsense.


I have no religious beliefs.

If you have not raised children, what would necessarily qualify you to give me advice on how to raise mine? At least I have a real God who qualifies and commends me. I need no commendation from you.

 

[3sigma]

She will come to the knowledge and understanding of who Jesus Christ is. She has excepted Him into her heart.

So you&#8217;ve been successful in indoctrinating your children and convinced them to believe unsubstantiated nonsense. It is a shame that more young minds have been shackled.

I am not afraid of dying. To live is Christ and to die is gain. If we sow to the flesh, we will reap corruption, but if we sow to the spirit, eternal life.

Well of course you aren&#8217;t afraid of dying. You&#8217;ve already deceived yourself into believing that you will have eternal life. However, what if you thought that this life is all you have and that when you die, that&#8217;s it, you are finished; there is no consciousness, no awareness whatsoever: nothing? Once you die, you are dead forever: you cease to exist. How would you feel then? Would you still think that your death is gain (whatever that means)?

Sorry it is simple biology, but sometimes it has to be simple so that the lowest common denominator like myself can understand it.

Religions are appealing because they provide shallow answers to comfort shallow thinkers.

Religious beliefs are driven by fear: fear of death and fear of the unknown. Fear of death is quelled by deceiving yourself into believing that you will have eternal life. Fear of the unknown is quelled with the simple answer that &#8220;God did it&#8221;.

If you have not raised children, what would necessarily qualify you to give me advice on how to raise mine? At least I have a real God who qualifies and commends me. I need no commendation from you.

I don&#8217;t have to be able to sing to know when someone else is out of tune. I cannot commend someone who fills children&#8217;s heads with unsubstantiated nonsense. It is highly unlikely that you receive commendation from your God either; you only believe that you do.

 

[kenblaster5000]

So you’ve been successful in indoctrinating your children and convinced them to believe unsubstantiated nonsense. It is a shame that more young minds have been shackled.


Well of course you aren’t afraid of dying. You’ve already deceived yourself into believing that you will have eternal life. However, what if you thought that this life is all you have and that when you die, that’s it, you are finished; there is no consciousness, no awareness whatsoever: nothing? Once you die, you are dead forever: you cease to exist. How would you feel then? Would you still think that your death is gain (whatever that means)?


Religions are appealing because they provide shallow answers to comfort shallow thinkers.

Religious beliefs are driven by fear: fear of death and fear of the unknown. Fear of death is quelled by deceiving yourself into believing that you will have eternal life. Fear of the unknown is quelled with the simple answer that “God did it”.


I don’t have to be able to sing to know when someone else is out of tune. I cannot commend someone who fills children’s heads with unsubstantiated nonsense. It is highly unlikely that you receive commendation from your God either; you only believe that you do.

Talking about unsubstantiated nonsense, that is what you type. I would not allow my children to be indoctrinated by your lack of belief or faith. If you came around telling my children that they had nothing to look forward to after they died, you would not stay around very long.

I choose life, you have chosen death.

I am not a shallow thinker, nor do I seek shallow answers. You do that. More of your unsubstantiated nonsense. You are more hypocritical than you would portray me to be as a Christian.

I am not driven by fear: God does not give me the spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind.

Your mind and your whole life are shackled, that is why you force that nonsense on others. You live in glass house and should not cast stones. I live on the Rock and your accusations do not phase me. You are full of something and it is not the Holy Ghost.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you’ve been successful in indoctrinating your children and convinced them to believe unsubstantiated nonsense.

I may not know much science, but it seems to me that "unsubstantiated nonsense" is a contradiction in terms.

 

[kenblaster5000]

I may not know much science, but it seems to me that "unsubstantiated nonsense" is a contradiction in terms.

When the enemy comes in like a flood, then God will raise a standard.

 

[sandwiches]

I may not know much science, but it seems to me that "unsubstantiated nonsense" is a contradiction in terms.

It's not. It's redundant, as a way of emphasizing, I would assume. Nonsense, by its definition, is always unsubstantiated. 'Substantiated nonsense' would be a contradiction.

 

[sandwiches]

Palaster, let me say first off, that you are pretty humble. I will explain some notions here, since it seems you may have a pliable heart and be open-minded. I must say that I have a hard time with those who do not listen and take me for an idiot, or do not accept me for who I say I am. In the bible, this is accepting a righteous man in the name of a righteous man, to get a righteous man's reward.

Jesus Christ does not live in just my mind anymore. He abides in me, and I abide in Him, or I am learning now to abide in Him. My children become Christians because I sow a good seed into them. When I was a terrible father I sowed bad seeds, and have reaped bad fruit from my children, now that I sow good seed in them and myself, they and I bear good fruit. It helps that expecially my younger daughter listens, respects, and loves me. In the bible, Christians are sometimes characterized as sheep. Sheep beget sheep, right? A real Christian begets in the Spirit real Christians. My children will follow Jesus Christ by their own choice, but I must do my job to raise them in the fear and admonition of the Lord, so that when they are older they will not depart. I will be given a reward in heaven for how I stewarded or shepherded my own children and if I was faithful with what the Lord has given me.

As for Buddha, I have tried the Buddhist stuff, new age and such, but all Buddha really did was try to show people how to become enlightened. That is well and good, but even the devil tried to offer the same to Eve and Adam in the garden. It is lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, and the (pride) of life that the devil tempts with. The devil is called satan, the accuser, and lucifer, the light bringer. He is a deceitful angel of false light. Jesus Christ comes personally to earth, fully God, but in the flesh, to show His creation how to live. He comes personally to take us there. The whole old testament builds up for the climax of Him arriving to earth in the new testament. Then the church is started, He sent the Holy Spirit to the disciple, now apostles to give them the words to speak and/ or write for the new testament. Jesus Christ is in us, the hope of glory. Demons sometimes manifest in people to control them, but Jesus Christ comes into our heart, the center of our life, because He knocks on the door of our heart and we let Him in. Buddha could not do that. How could this Buddha top the one who created us?

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. Our Father, or as others know Him, the creator, spoke the word and the Holy Spirit carried it out. That is how the whole universe was made and now we who are born-again can call those things that are not, as if they were. Yes, I can prophesy good or bad into my life. Us humans do it all the time. That is why children who are raised bad have problems. Words can kill or they can bring life. Sorry to overburden you here, but God pours His Spirit into me and His words and they pour out. I am blessed, you be blessed as well.

It seems like your religion has helped you in some ways and that's good. Now, the question would be: You don't believe that you would've been able to help yourself without your specific belief in the Bible?

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not. It's redundant, as a way of emphasizing, I would assume. Nonsense, by its definition, is always unsubstantiated. 'Substantiated nonsense' would be a contradiction.

So you assume it's nonsense first --- then unsubstantiated?

 

[sandwiches]

So you assume it's nonsense first --- then unsubstantiated?

That depends on the speaker. It may be true for you. However, I say something is nonsense when it's unsubstantiated or meaningless or unintelligible.

 

[kenblaster5000]

It seems like your religion has helped you in some ways and that's good. Now, the question would be: You don't believe that you would've been able to help yourself without your specific belief in the Bible?

I could not do what God has done for me? It is mostly from the comforter and counselor the Holy Spirit, that is given to me by God.

 

[sandwiches]

I could not do what God has done for me? It is mostly from the comforter and counselor the Holy Spirit, that is given to me by God.

I have to be honest. I don't understand your answer. Is that a 'no?'

 

[kenblaster5000]

I have to be honest. I don't understand your answer. Is that a 'no?'

No with an explanation.

 

[sandwiches]

No with an explanation.

Why do you think yourself incapable of surpassing whatever it was by yourself or without belief in your god and the Bible?

 

[kenblaster5000]

Why do you think yourself incapable of surpassing whatever it was by yourself or without belief in your god and the Bible?

I don't know if you would understand. The Holy Spirit quickens me. It is a long story.

 

[kenblaster5000]

So, what about evolution. I cannot even remember what the whole debate is about. It turned into unsubstantiated hopelessness without the inkling of morals or something or other. Sandwiches, you are a pretty good guy.

 

[sandwiches]

I don't know if you would understand. The Holy Spirit quickens me. It is a long story.

Maybe not. I just wonder what exactly happens in people's lives that they feel they've made contact or have had some sort of supernatural experience. Like do people feel braver, stronger, smarter? All of the above? If so, how can they distinguish between a true outside force imbuing you with these properties versus your will to want those things. I mean, even without a specific belief or faith in the Bible god, cowards act bravely, weaklings gain strength, and many people excel intellectually past what they thought was their limit, etc. So, I wonder if whatever mechanism produces changes in these nonbelievers isn't the same for Christians? How would we be able to tell the difference?