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If not Mary then who?

Anglian

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Dear MamaZ,

I am glad we are in agreement that the Blessed Theotokos was just that. I can't imagine, however, what grammatical construction leads you to the view that the angel saying 'Blessed art thou among women' means all women are to be called blessed.

peace,

Anglian
 
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Dear MamaZ,

I am glad we are in agreement that the Blessed Theotokos was just that. I can't imagine, however, what grammatical construction leads you to the view that the angel saying 'Blessed art thou among women' means all women are to be called blessed.

peace,

Anglian
All Gods daughters are blessed. :) Those to who are adopted into Gods family through the blood of Christ and the sealing of Gods Spirit.. Mary being among all of us that belong to Christ.
 
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We bow to what they represent.

:)

Scripture forbids bowing for the purpose of worship. It does not forbid bowing for reverence or honor.
Joshua 5:13-15 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, "Are you for us or for our enemies?" "Neither," he replied, "but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come." Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, "What message does my Lord have for his servant?" The commander of the LORD's army replied, "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy." And Joshua did so. (Joshua bows before the angel because it's God's servant)

Daniel 8:15-18 While I, Daniel, was watching the vision and trying to understand it, there before me stood one who looked like a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice from the Ulai calling, "Gabriel, tell this man the meaning of the vision." 17 As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the end." 18 While he was speaking to me, I was in a deep sleep, with my face to the ground. Then he touched me and raised me to my feet.

Genesis 18:1-5 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. 3 He said, "If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant." "Very well," they answered, "do as you say." (here the Genesis author appears to equate the 3 men as God manifesting Himself)

Genesis 23:7-9 Then Abraham rose and bowed down before the people of the land, the Hittites. 8 He said to them, "If you are willing to let me bury my dead, then listen to me and intercede with Ephron son of Zohar on my behalf 9 so he will sell me the cave of Machpelah, which belongs to him and is at the end of his field. Ask him to sell it to me for the full price as a burial site among you." (Abraham specifically bows and asks for intercession to others)

Numbers 22:31 Then the Lord opened Balaam's eyes, and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and fell facedown. (in this passage, it does not appear the angel told him to get up as is sometimes the case)

1 Samuel 20:41 After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together—but David wept the most.

2 Samuel 9:6-8 6 When Mephibosheth son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, came to David, he bowed down to pay him honor. David said, "Mephibosheth!" "Your servant," he replied. 7 "Don't be afraid," David said to him, "for I will surely show you kindness for the sake of your father Jonathan. I will restore to you all the land that belonged to your grandfather Saul, and you will always eat at my table." 8 Mephibosheth bowed down and said, "What is your servant, that you should notice a dead dog like me?"

Luke 24:4-6 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee...​
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Okay, a Mary worshipper. Feel better?


Oh interesting logic. So if you honor her and respect her and feel her role in giving birth and raising and nuturing Christ our Savior is something to be held in high esteem and honor we are Mary Worshiper's.

That is what is sad.

So again just make sure you let us know when you tell Christ in person that his Mother didn't do Jack.
I think I'll have to include some Good n Plenty with my Popcorn because I think this will be good.
 
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Something tells me that none of us would have the nerve to say something about His mother to His face, especially if we are looking into His eyes. I have a feeling none of us will be able to make excuses when He asks us about our lives, and especially our sins (both of commission and omission)--I think we will know that they won't cut it.
 
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All Gods daughters are blessed. :) Those to who are adopted into Gods family through the blood of Christ and the sealing of Gods Spirit.. Mary being among all of us that belong to Christ.

According to Luke 1:43, 44, Elizabeth said to Mary: "But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy."

Does that apply to all of God's daughters as well? Would Elizabeth have called all pregnant women the mother of her Lord? Would John the Forerunner (aka John the Baptist) have leapt in her womb when any pregnant woman greeted Elizabeth? Or did she mean these words for Mary alone, since she is the only woman to have conceived our Lord and would soon be giving birth to Him?
 
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Work on your reading comprehension. It seems to need improvement.

I said she had no choice in whether or not salvation came to the world, not that she couldn't chose whether to take part in it.

Seriously.
Yeah, I read it, and you still are saying she had no free will to choose to do so or not.


So you're saying Mary had the power to stop Christ, who is God, from entering the world, and doing the Father's will? Sad.
I'm saying Mary had free will like the rest of us on whether to follow God or to choose not to and go on our own paths.


So when I said Mary was a really good woman, that wasn't honoring her?
Your saying, "Mary was a really good woman" was smothered by your constant attacks such as comparing her to a couch potato and as doing "jack." This is your idea of HONORING His Mother? LOL Ok. I'd hate to see how you treat those who do not have a higher honor.

Just remember that we all answer to Christ on Judgment Day...We are to treat His Mother as He did, with honor and respect and reverence. Not by talking the way you have of her.
 
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I didn't equate Mary raising Christ to a fat man watching TV. The Catholics in this thread just have poor reading comprehension.
Apparently you have poor vision. Most of who have answered you were not Catholics, but Orthodox (me and Katherine) and Anglican (PalVal).
 
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Oh interesting logic. So if you honor her and respect her and feel her role in giving birth and raising and nuturing Christ our Savior is something to be held in high esteem and honor we are Mary Worshiper's.

That is what is sad.

So again just make sure you let us know when you tell Christ in person that his Mother didn't do Jack.
I think I'll have to include some Good n Plenty with my Popcorn because I think this will be good.
Exactly. I see. So because we remember her throughout the year, not just one event of the year, we are "worshipping her." So with this train of thought then, we could say those who remember her the one week or day of the year, and then discard her the rest of the year do not honor her.
 
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Exactly. I see. So because we remember her throughout the year, not just one event of the year, we are "worshipping her." So with this train of thought then, we could say those who remember her the one week or day of the year, and then discard her the rest of the year do not honor her.


oh but they will came back with their classic phoney disclaimer "Oh we honor her and respect her we just don't worship her"

I would love to know how many times Mary is brought up throughout the year in alot of these Evangellical Church's in the context of honor during a sermon. I willing to be zero.
The only time you hear Mary outside of Christmas is when they use her as a weapon to go after the Catholic Church.

which is extremely sad.
 
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And let's not forget a Methodist (Boswd). So far, not a single Catholic has responded on this thread, so maybe it is not us who is not able to read or comprehend correctly. So far, all the people advocating giving honor to Mary have been Orthodox (both Eastern and Oriental), Anglican, and Methodist (again, none of us are Roman Catholic).
 
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Oh interesting logic. So if you honor her and respect her and feel her role in giving birth and raising and nuturing Christ our Savior is something to be held in high esteem and honor we are Mary Worshiper's.

That is what is sad.

So again just make sure you let us know when you tell Christ in person that his Mother didn't do Jack.
I think I'll have to include some Good n Plenty with my Popcorn because I think this will be good.

oh but they will came back with their classic phoney disclaimer "Oh we honor her and respect her we just don't worship her"

I would love to know how many times Mary is brought up throughout the year in alot of these Evangellical Church's in the context of honor during a sermon. I willing to be zero.
The only time you hear Mary outside of Christmas is when they use her as a weapon to go after the Catholic Church.

which is extremely sad.
It sure seems that way, boswd. I'm going to bow out of this thread because I cannot bear reading any more careless and unloving talk toward the Theotokos. It is very upsetting to me.

God bless all, and sorry if I offended anyone.
 
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Dear MamaZ, Saffron, Shinbits and anyone else who thinks I worship Mary.............ummmmmmmmmmm.....for the record, I DO NOT WORSHIP MARY! I revere her, I honor her, I love her, I call her blessed, but I don't confuse her with God at all. Please do not call me a Mary worshipper, an idolater or any other thing than what I am - a Christian.

Some of your comments are rather rude.

Peace and all good,

Gail
 
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Dear MamaZ, Saffron, Shinbits and anyone else who thinks I worship Mary.............ummmmmmmmmmm.....for the record, I DO NOT WORSHIP MARY! I revere her, I honor her, I love her, I call her blessed, but I don't confuse her with God at all. Please do not call me a Mary worshipper, an idolater or any other thing than what I am - a Christian.

Some of your comments are rather rude.

Peace and all good,

Gail
I do not remember calling you a Mary worshipper,.. Can you direct me to the post to which I did
 
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