Evolution is a Fact

[Sanguis]

Also, the pwnage of creationism ITT is epic win.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Thank you for the lively discussion folks. It is always enlightening to see how possible it is to have a discussion. Usually, on topics so hotly debated, the fact is that they cannot be debated effectively without someone getting testy. Thaumaturgy, I am not a science, nor do I intend to become one so that I can effectively debate you. I am not, however, uneducated. I am simply not educated in the same fields as you.

I never said you were completely uneducated. I merely pointed out the clear fact that many creationists are uneducated in the topic at hand. If you had read my post closely you would have seen that point.

Subtle as it was, I explicitly used those words.

The topics cannot be debated with people who have no interest in learning the science against which they debate. That is not my problem.

However, given the lack of familiarity of all the correct terms and the reasons behind them, I will concede that you have the upper hand in the debate.

That is not why I have the upper hand. I don't know as I do have the upper hand. But the debate is technical. If you are unable to deal with technical then again that is hardly my issue in the debate.

I will not however, concede that you are right.

You do not have to do so. That is why you should study the science if you wish to see and fairly assess both sides of the debate. It is a lot of work. I grant that.

As I've said many times before, if anyone believes what I say simply because I say it is a fool. I would never want anyone to believe something simply because I said it. I would hope that everyone would find data to support their beliefs, whichever side they are on.

I know how I got here, and it wasn't because a bunch of muck, turned into an ameoba, which turned into a fish until finally I became a monkey's aunt

I have no doubt your spiritual journey is as important to you as mine was to me. But at least I would think you could muster a better example than a cartoon.

Again, if you are not truly interested in the debate why did you post your stuff here? If you just want to have your say, fine! But you ran into some scientists. It happens. We are often quite willing to engage in the debate but you must bring a modicum of respect for others point of view when you come here. When you misrepresent science, whether you know it to be misrepresentation of the science or not, be prepared that a scientist may take exception and correct you. Sometimes it may not be pleasant.

Do, always, be aware that when you tell other people how they think and how they function in their career that you might have another human being on the line who will be more than happy to tell you how they really think and function.

. All the 'facts' in the world will not convince me because there is no objective science going into any of this, no matter how much you wish it were so.

No objective science in evolution? Well, see, that's a good example of disrespect. You don't know the science (as per your own admission) and you have the pride to tell a scientist there's no objective science in this?

If you are referring to religion, then you are correct. There is no objective science in religion. Which is why religion should never be taught as science.

I hope you all enjoy your time debating this issue. For myself, I regret the waste of time.

Sadly you are like so many other creationists. I don't know what your original plan was. To discuss against science you don't understand? To tell scientists how they are mistaken on topics you don't get? What? So you met some scientists who went against your point and you run away?

I've seen it played out a million times in creationist debating. It is always anticlimactic. Sorry that this didn't work out better for you.

(If you are still around, can you tell me what it is you are trained in and what you do for a living so I might critique it? It would only be fair.)

 

[AV1611VET]

God Created life. Wheather we came from that creation directly or whether we evolved to how we are.

Yup --- abiogenesis is a joke.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then so's your bible. It's not the original, is it? Just a printer's rendition.

I happen to have a digitally-remastered copy of a 1611 King James, as well as a 1560 Geneva, and neither One came from the mind of an artist.

 

[AV1611VET]

If we have two "possibilities", the first is that some mystical, omnipotent being created the bricks...

You'll never fully understand, thinking like that.

That "mystical being" gave us His Autobiography, and we know more about Him than any [false] deity ever thought up by man or devil.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thanks. I'm surprised managed to find it, or type coherently enough. I'm 3/4 of my way through a bottle of vodka.

Then you'll do just fine explaining evolution ---

 

[AV1611VET]

And when you veiw "lego land" do you come to the conclusion that it came about by mindless random mutations? Can one square inch chip of a lego block encode the information in over seven billion Bibles like one square inch of DNA can? Where does that information come from?

I love the story where Satan tells God that anything He can do, Satan can do better.

So God says, "Okay, watch this", and He takes the dust of the earth and creates a man.

Satan says, "That's kid stuff. Watch this." and he takes the dust of the earth ---

And God says, "Hold on. Get your own dust."

That story is a perfect example of evolution.

Like when Steve Martin told us how we can all be millionaires.

"The first thing you do," he said, "is deposit one million dollars in the bank."

Evolution says, "If you want to know where man came from, take a universe, and..."

 

[laconicstudent]

I love the story where Satan tells God that anything He can do, Satan can do better.

So God says, "Okay, watch this", and He takes the dust of the earth and creates a man.

Satan says, "That's kid stuff. Watch this." and he takes the dust of the earth ---

And God says, "Hold on. Get your own dust."

That story is a perfect example of evolution.

Like when Steve Martin told us how we can all be millionaires.

"The first thing you do," he said, "is deposit one million dollars in the bank."

Evolution says, "If you want to know where man came from, take a universe, and..."

Your arguing with anecdotes now? Really?

 

[AV1611VET]

I implore you, please, oh please, at least look at the evidence.

Paul says not to:

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[AV1611VET]

I must confess, I've never actually seen such a severe confirmation bias articulated quite so plainly.

I have a feeling there's a LOT of stuff you haven't seen.

Well, you're certainly in the right place here.

You're gonna get an education like you [probably] have never had.

 

[Cabal]

I love the story where Satan tells God that anything He can do, Satan can do better.

So God says, "Okay, watch this", and He takes the dust of the earth and creates a man.

Satan says, "That's kid stuff. Watch this." and he takes the dust of the earth ---

And God says, "Hold on. Get your own dust."

That story is a perfect example of evolution.

Like when Steve Martin told us how we can all be millionaires.

"The first thing you do," he said, "is deposit one million dollars in the bank."

Evolution says, "If you want to know where man came from, take a universe, and..."

The secret to a long life?

Don't die young

 

[AV1611VET]

I never said you were completely uneducated. I merely pointed out the clear fact that many creationists are uneducated in the topic at hand.

--- That describes me to a tee.

I was born ignorant, and I'll die ignorant.

 

[AV1611VET]

The secret to a long life?

Don't die young

LOL

 

[AintNoMonkey]

I happen to have a digitally-remastered copy of a 1611 King James, as well as a 1560 Geneva, and neither One came from the mind of an artist.

Ok, well, this is a digitally remastered dinosaur. Sounds about even. Also, you're still agreeing that none of your bibles are the original bible? OK! So long as we're on the same page.

 

[nChrist]

I have no doubt your spiritual journey is as important to you as mine was to me. But at least I would think you could muster a better example than a cartoon.

Again, if you are not truly interested in the debate why did you post your stuff here? If you just want to have your say, fine! But you ran into some scientists. It happens. We are often quite willing to engage in the debate but you must bring a modicum of respect for others point of view when you come here. When you misrepresent science, whether you know it to be misrepresentation of the science or not, be prepared that a scientist may take exception and correct you. Sometimes it may not be pleasant.

Do, always, be aware that when you tell other people how they think and how they function in their career that you might have another human being on the line who will be more than happy to tell you how they really think and function.

What a bunch of malarkey. It's clear why evolution is an embarrassment to real science. If you were convinced of any of this theoretical dribble in school, whatever school it was did you a great disservice. But, nobody said that the theory of evolution was for intellectuals. She made much more sense than you do, so you should ask her to tutor you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok, well, this is a digitally remastered dinosaur.

Uh-huh.

That picture (or whatever it is) came from dinofacts.

"Facts" --- yet it's a drawing.

And one to make it look like it's a photograph taken in real time, no less.

At least Haeckel called his what it was: a drawing.

 

[Sanguis]

I love the story where Satan tells God that anything He can do, Satan can do better.

So God says, "Okay, watch this", and He takes the dust of the earth and creates a man.

Satan says, "That's kid stuff. Watch this." and he takes the dust of the earth ---

And God says, "Hold on. Get your own dust."

That story is a perfect example of evolution.

Like when Steve Martin told us how we can all be millionaires.

"The first thing you do," he said, "is deposit one million dollars in the bank."

Evolution says, "If you want to know where man came from, take a universe, and..."

Or that time where God said to Satan "I created everything!" and Satan replied "Oh yeah? But you're wrong, I did!" so God said "Lies!" and Satan said "O rly? Prove it!" and God couldn't! So, naturally, God said "Well, can you prove that you did?" to which Satan replied "Um... no, I can't, but can you?". This whole cherade went on for all eternity!

The only logical conclusion is that neither of them actually exist, and they're both just figments of someone's imagination.

 

[laconicstudent]

What a bunch of malarkey. It's clear why evolution is an embarrassment to real science. If you were convinced of any of this theoretical dribble in school, whatever school it was did you a great disservice. But, nobody said that the theory of evolution was for intellectuals. She made much more sense than you do, so you should ask her to tutor you.

Or, you could just read a research journal and learn about the thousands of experiments proving evolution.

 

[Cabal]

What a bunch of malarkey.

No substance here.

It's clear why evolution is an embarrassment to real science.

No proof of this statement.

If you were convinced of any of this theoretical dribble in school

More insults...

whatever school it was did you a great disservice.

More insults...

But, nobody said that the theory of evolution was for intellectuals.

Whereas a chain of insults is the epitome of erudition, huh?

She made much more sense than you do, so you should ask her to tutor you.

What, so we can learn how to better criticise other people's jobs we have no experience in and then shut our ears to people's explanations of their points of view?

No thanks, you guys can keep that.

 

[Cabal]

Uh-huh.

That picture (or whatever it is) came from dinofacts

No, it came from a fossil.

But you seem to be conveniently ignoring that.

So your KJVs are fakes also, yeah? Or are you going to chicken out of applying your own logic to yourself yet again?