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"Yet Israel prevails today. Just like the Bible said."

i wouldn't really call it "prevails" , more like survives.
Yeppers, Israel is niether prosperous nor a powerful country. It just "survives" by a thread.


Your "points" are not worth responding to.
 
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I only go so far with these guys, shinbits; then I have to ignore them.

You'll go batty if you keep trying to explain yourself.

Give'em the Bible first, basic doctrine second, ad lib answers third, and if those aren't good enough, you've done your best.

Just sit back and enjoy the jokes and ad hominems --- you (we) earned 'em!

:)

eeehm... show me where I resorted to an ah hominem?

"Give'em the Bible first, basic doctrine second,"

tbh, since you do know you bible so well, you wouldn't still have a problem answering out Javan question would you?

"and if those aren't good enough, you've done your best."

"when all insta answers fails, quit trying"
 
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Okay, Mr. Chronic Misquoter.

"Not at all. In addition to historical and archaeological evidence, there's also prophetic evidence. The Bible mentions many times that Israel will always be a nation that people want to attack and destroy, but that Israel will always prevail. History has shown this to be true. This pwns the Illiad big time."

given you did say this example, but then you referred to the entire Illiad, in which case you you're not being entirely accurate.
i already referred you to Schliemann.

but ok, i'll admit, the most of this is aimed to the "prophetic proof" in the bible, but you also seem to forget that the Illaid contains a wee bit of prophecy aswell. and that most prophecy can be intepreted very "widely".
 
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or about the foreign support that has kept and keeps israel where it is today?
You bet It does --- it's called the Abrahamic Covenant.

That's why this nation is so blessed today.

!!! JERUSALEM !!!
 
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eeehm... show me where I resorted to an ah hominem?
Oh, I wasn't just talking about you, specifically.

I was talking about all my fans.

That advice comes from over three years of experience.
 
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Give'em the Bible first, basic doctrine second, ad lib answers third, and if those aren't good enough, you've done your best.

Just palm the ineptitude off to Christ, or your opponents.

Wonderful.
 
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Yeppers, Israel is niether prosperous nor a powerful country. It just "survives" by a thread.


Your "points" are not worth responding to.

weapons and cash in foreign aid

internal unrest due to different ethnic groups.
walled off borders out of fear of bombing by their "neighbours".

a sharply divided conservative and moderate population.

surrounded by "hostile states" and under so much pressure it had nuclear arms (gues who gave them the green light for those)

arguably the only "pro western" country in the middle east..

huge military budget

prospering alright....

"Your "points" are not worth responding to."

mm that ALMOST looks like
"I CRAIM VICTOLLY!"

but he, you might just still come back.
 
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Lolz. Yep, Israel aint never became no independent nation not one bit, no siree.

This type of silly argument is why your "points" are lacking


"Yep, Israel aint never became no independent nation not one bit, no siree."

aaah here i call mea culpa, i forgot to stress how much this sounded like "they did it their own".

and they were more...given it, rather then "gained" it.

"This type of silly argument is why your "points" are lacking"

syes-picot
balfour

now who did the land israel stand apon belong to again......and who gave em that land in exchange for cash and ultimately guilt?

well it wasn't the jews themselves..
 
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weapons and cash in foreign aid

internal unrest due to different ethnic groups.
walled off borders out of fear of bombing by their "neighbours".
Lolz. What's your point? Israel is STILL prosperous in spite of that.

The fact that you're *seriously* trying to argue against Israel being prosperous shows you don't know what you're talking about. But your determination to do so is really cute.
 
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now who did the land israel stand apon belong to again......and who gave em that land in exchange for cash and ultimately guilt?

well it wasn't the jews themselves..
God gave it to them.

Like I tell those who think prophecy is nothing more than retrofitting the Old Testament:

Anyone and their brother can read a verse of prophecy and then go out of their way to look like they fulfilled it.

The real trick is preventing it from happening.

Had the return of Israel to their homeland in 1949 not come as fulfillment of prophecy, then they would never have survived the Six Day and Yom Kippur wars.

In addition, are you suggesting that Israel is yet to go into another Diaspora --- so that the true prophecies can be fulfilled?
 
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"Yep, Israel aint never became no independent nation not one bit, no siree."

aaah here i call mea culpa, i forgot to stress how much this sounded like "they did it their own".

and they were more...given it, rather then "gained" it.

"This type of silly argument is why your "points" are lacking"

syes-picot
balfour

now who did the land israel stand apon belong to again......and who gave em that land in exchange for cash and ultimately guilt?

well it wasn't the jews themselves..
But....they....have....their....land....BACK...right?

It would be one thing if the Bible said specifically that Israel would ONLY prevail through their own military might; but it doesn't. So this point you keep trying to use is moot. The Bible says that God would cause Israel to prevail, not Israel's military strength

Israel prevails. Get over it.
 
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and americas huge backing would have anything to do with Israels defenses, now would it?
The United States of America was founded by God for two major reasons:

  1. To give the Jews a place to live prior to WW2.*
  2. To support Israel after WW2.
* The first Ten Amendments to the Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights, ensures that no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil.
 
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shin sez....ut....they....have....their....land....BACK...right?QUOTE////////////


H sez... Their land. THEIR land? Well, i guess it is if they can steal it fair and square.

The land you are standing on, whose is it? Stolen fair and square too? God said to do it?

Pawnees or Susquehana or who exactly had to die?

As for the jewish imperialists who went in and stole land, and their phony religious excuse for doing it i hope karma gets them just as they deserve.

As for people who justify and support those who have blood on their hands in this, how much better are you?
 
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As for the jewish imperialists who went in and stole land, and their phony religious excuse for doing it i hope karma gets them just as they deserve.
I'll bet you think the Bible is a myth too, don't you?
 
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shin sez....ut....they....have....their....land....BACK...right?QUOTE////////////


H sez... Their land. THEIR land? Well, i guess it is if they can steal it fair and square.

The land you are standing on, whose is it? Stolen fair and square too? God said to do it?

Pawnees or Susquehana or who exactly had to die?

As for the jewish imperialists who went in and stole land, and their phony religious excuse for doing it i hope karma gets them just as they deserve.

As for people who justify and support those who have blood on their hands in this, how much better are you?
boooooooooooooooo!!!! *throws tomatos*

I never discussed "who's land is who's" or any of that junk. I nominate this for worst post in thread.
 
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