Athena returned the Spear

[LifeToTheFullest!]

So, Javan was slavic and spoke liniar a or liniar b. Is that right AV? Which language did Noah speak?

 

[random325nicaea]

So, Javan was slavic and spoke liniar a or liniar b. Is that right AV? Which language did Noah speak?

WOW! no!
you srly misread something there.

the modern greek that javan would have brought is akin to Cyrillic (NOT LINAIR A OR B!), or "russian".

Javan would have had to EXPELL all the liniar B and A (a came before B, you should wiki it) people from greece.
hence after a certain period of time we only find Linair B on crete, and no longer on mainland greece.

so my question to AV:"Who were these people who Javan drove off?"

 

[AV1611VET]

Did Javan, Noah's grandson start Greek mythology?

I seriously doubt it.

Like I said, Shem --- Noah's son --- lived right up until the time of Jacob --- Abraham's grandson.

Thus providing an eyewitness account of the Flood right up until the time of the Patriarchs.

 

[random325nicaea]

I seriously doubt it.

Like I said, Shem --- Noah's son --- lived right up until the time of Jacob --- Abraham's grandson.

Thus providing an eyewitness account of the Flood right up until the time of the Patriarchs.

then who did start the entire mythology?

PS: eyewitnesses aren't that convincing, specially if they are 4800 years old.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

WOW! no!
you srly misread something there.

the modern greek that javan would have brought is akin to Cyrillic (NOT LINAIR A OR B!), or "russian".

Javan would have had to EXPELL all the liniar B and A (a came before B, you should wiki it) people from greece.
hence after a certain period of time we only find Linair B on crete, and no longer on mainland greece.

so my question to AV:"Who were these people who Javan drove off?"

lol... yeah, I made a hasty generalization there.

I was only trying to point out the absurdity of AV's comment about Javan settling Greece, when, as you pointed out, real history says otherwise.

 

[AV1611VET]

then who did start the entire mythology?

I don't know.

One of the earliest writings is the Iliad, by Homer, circa 7th century BC.

Perhaps Nathan Poe could help here.

 

[AV1611VET]

I was only trying to point out the absurdity of AV's comment about Javan settling Greece, when, as you pointed out, real history says otherwise.

QV please: 36.

I said, "no Greeks" --- not, "no Greece".

Here is the 411 on all sixteen of Noah's grandsons.

 

[random325nicaea]

QV please: 36.

I said, "no Greeks" --- not, "no Greece".

Here is the 411 on all sixteen of Noah's grandsons.

you do know that you suddenly made the problem a lot worse don;t you...

are the miniotians (Linaiar B using inhabitants of crete and several other islands) greeks?

are the Cyrillic using people the real greeks?
do the greek colonies on Eurasia also decended from Javan?

what city state did javan create?

 

[AV1611VET]

you do know that you suddenly made the problem a lot worse don;t you...

are the miniotians (Linaiar B using inhabitants of crete and several other islands) greeks?

are the Cyrillic using people the real greeks?
do the greek colonies on Eurasia also decended from Javan?

what city state did javan create?

Beats me.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Gets bowl of popcorn as AV, yet again, paints himself into a corner.

 

[random325nicaea]

Gets bowl of popcorn as AV, yet again, paints himself into a corner.

how did he not see it coming...
i mean SRLY!

 

[AV1611VET]

Gets bowl of popcorn as AV, yet again, paints himself into a corner.

Want me to simplify it?

Let's make it easier then.

There would be no 'Cyrillics' or 'Greek colonies on Eurasia' or even a Javan, if there were no Adam and Eve.

ETA: Wait please!

Let's not make it that simple (yet).

Change that to, "... if there were no Noah."

 

[random325nicaea]

Want me to simplify it?

Let's make it easier then.

There would be no 'Cyrillics' or 'Greek colonies on Eurasia' or even a Javan, if there were no Adam and Eve.

ETA: Wait please!

Let's not make it that simple (yet).

Change that to, "... if there were no Noah."

adam and eve are irrelivent at this point.

you said Javan begat the greeks
so
what are these greeks, and what language did the speak and where did Javan start with his greek "tribe" (which city did he found)?

surely the bible should have something on that....

 

[shinbits]

"oh and Israel (the jews) didn't regain their own independance, they where given it, out of guilt. remember who controlled palIt pwns the Illiad as far as being being a valid document."

And your point is? Israel regained it's own independence, didn't it? Just like the Bible said. The Bible pwns the Illiad.

like is said. if is wasn't for the west. Israel wouldn't exist at all. at least not at such a high power level as it is now.

And your point is? Regardless of who was used to do it, what the Bible said came to pass.

btw, the romans pretty much whiped out the jewish state in 55AD when they ransaced Jerusalem (and build the colloseum with the spiols)

Yet Israel prevails today. Just like the Bible said.

"Yep, it's pretty easy to get attacked, nearly destroyed, lose your independence, regain your statehood, and be a powerful nation again."

actually, it is.
want other shining examples?
the republic of the seven united netherlands
the city state of Athens
several dynasties in china (after mongol invasion)
or better yet, look at ALL those colonies that became their own countries after decolonialization.

And your point is? This proves that this is "easy" to do how? None of these nations endured anything close to the destruction Israel has, and on more than one occasion. So your "point" is moot.

btw, Israel wasn't "nearly completely whiped of the map" by the nazis. yes there where a lot of casualties, but there were also a lot in countries that won.
estina after WWI and WWII?

It's much closer to being "whiped off the map" and STILL prevailing to be a powerful nation, to this day than any other nation ever has.


Most of your post is full of misquotes and strawmen. Your very easy to refute, but I'd spend half my time on that long post just correcting you on what I actually said. Learn how to not misrepresent a post before you declaring victory.

 

[shinbits]

you are the one who started claiming historical accuracy with the bible based on depictions of people and places. the moment you did that, the "illiad" came into question as a whole, not apart.

sorry but i believe that:
"Your reading comprehension needs a tune up."

Okay, Mr. Chronic Misquoter.

 

[AV1611VET]

Okay, Mr. Chronic Misquoter.

I only go so far with these guys, shinbits; then I have to ignore them.

You'll go batty if you keep trying to explain yourself.

Give'em the Bible first, basic doctrine second, ad lib answers third, and if those aren't good enough, you've done your best.

Just sit back and enjoy the jokes and ad hominems --- you (we) earned 'em!

 

[shinbits]

I only go so far with these guys, shinbits; then I have to ignore them.

You'll go batty if you keep trying to explain yourself.

Give'em the Bible first, basic doctrine second, ad lib answers third, and if those aren't good enough, you've done your best.

Just sit back and enjoy the jokes and ad hominems --- you (we) earned 'em!

 

[random325nicaea]

And your point is? Israel regained it's own independence, didn't it? Just like the Bible said. The Bible pwns the Illiad.


And your point is? Regardless of who was used to do it, what the Bible said came to pass.


Yet Israel prevails today. Just like the Bible said.


And your point is? This proves that this is "easy" to do how? None of these nations endured anything close to the destruction Israel has, and on more than one occasion. So your "point" is moot.


It's much closer to being "whiped off the map" and STILL prevailing to be a powerful nation, to this day than any other nation ever has.


Most of your post is full of misquotes and strawmen. Your very easy to refute, but I'd spend half my time on that long post just correcting you on what I actually said. Learn how to not misrepresent a post before you declaring victory.

"And your point is? Israel regained it's own independence, didn't it? Just like the Bible said. The Bible pwns the Illiad."

no it did not.
i suggest you read a bit more into how the modern state of israel was formed, and who allowed them to do so (like who gave them the land)
not only that, the bible doesn't pwn the Illiad at all.
all it has is more volume, that's it, it's just as much reality laced with magic as the bible.

"Yet Israel prevails today. Just like the Bible said."

i wouldn't really call it "prevails" , more like survives. and you dodged the question, did the bible say anythigna bout the palastinians? or about the foreign support that has kept and keeps israel where it is today?

"And your point is? This proves that this is "easy" to do how?"
no it proves that it';s not that "special".

" None of these nations endured anything close to the destruction Israel has, and on more than one occasion. "

really...you should better educate yourself before you make such statements. you apparently have little idea how much ethnic violence has been going on all over the world in the last thousand years.

"So your "point" is moot."
i think not everyone will agree to that...

"It's much closer to being "whiped off the map"

just as much closer as the Vandals?
or the native americans?

"and STILL prevailing to be a powerful nation"
which again isn't all that amazing if you consider the international support they've recieved since the end of WWII

"to this day than any other nation ever has."

im going to assume you mean "people" when you use asian here, as you've been doing that with "israel" the entire time now.

and then STILL i'd like to contest that. ever heard of the franks?
or the germans (allemands)? arguably they've survived and have become quite powerfull asell.

"Most of your post is full of misquotes and strawmen."

i didn't even quote squat.
and strawmen? WHERE? where hav ei knowingly over simplified a concept or misrepresented it. all i can see is your special pleadign for the jews because, ignoring all other whiped out, threatened or conquering people in earth.

and then you end with claimign this support the bibles prophetic accuracy like they are the only one.

note, every one of these cases is unique, but the overal theme isn't rare at all.

" Your very easy to refute, but I'd spend half my time on that long post just correcting you on what I actually said."

actually half of your post is a repeat to what i responed..

" Learn how to not misrepresent a post before you declaring victory."

i declared victory? i merely called you on your ignorance and you "special pleading", victorry has yet to be astablished, if it is established at all.

learn to see the large picture before you say somehting is special.

 

[shinbits]

"And your point is? Israel regained it's own independence, didn't it? Just like the Bible said. The Bible pwns the Illiad."

no it did not.
i suggest you read a bit more int

Lolz. Yep, Israel aint never became no independent nation not one bit, no siree.

This type of silly argument is why your "points" are lacking

 

[Hespera]

All that talk but the Iliad and the OT are still just historical novels full of magic reality.

The only really significant difference is that people try to take one of them seriously.
And the other is better written.