Good reason to be an atheist?(moved from Christian Appologetics)

[Rasta]

No it is not an opinion it is right because what you deny of creation the Bible says people will do near the end days. Your inknowledgable of the Bible and its Truth.

Ah, so you are unnaware that your opinion is actually an opinion. Thanks for answering the question.

This does not say anything about the Bible. I mean it has been here since the beginning of Creation.

No it wasn't. It was written in the Bronze age by men.

And the thing is, It has still stood all those years.

No it hasn't. People have been critisizing it ever since it was written.

You all still cannot say there is no GOD full 100% proof.

Yeah, just like I don't have full 100% proof that leprechauns, fairies, pink invisible unicorns don't exist either. So what? Do you believe in thoes?

But evolution does not prove jack squat to anyone.

Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting does not make your case appear stronger. FYI.

You say it is easy to understand and has not gone over your heads(Isambard,Rasta). Well, according to the statements you all have made pertaining to my statements, you all do not even by the slightest get my point in any way whatsoever.

Trust me, I get it. Do you know what baseless and without merit means?

No, this is not a "No True Scotsman Fallacy"

Yes it is actually.

 

[Rasta]

What religion would you choose to adhere to if you wanted to?

That's like me asking you, which Greek god would you start worshiping, if you wanted to?

 

[PT Calvinist]

That's like me asking you, which Greek god would you start worshiping, if you wanted to?

Never studied into greek mythology....The question still stands.

 

[Rasta]

Never studied into greek mythology....The question still stands.

If I HAD to choose. I'd choose Odin, the god of my ancestors.

 

[PT Calvinist]

If I HAD to choose. I'd choose Odin, the god of my ancestors.

Sounds good to me.

I forget though...is he irish, scottish or what?

 

[Rasta]

Sounds good to me.

I forget though...is he irish, scottish or what?

Norse.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

Ah, so you are unnaware that your opinion is actually an opinion. Thanks for answering the question.



No it wasn't. It was written in the Bronze age by men.



No it hasn't. People have been critisizing it ever since it was written.



Yeah, just like I don't have full 100% proof that leprechauns, fairies, pink invisible unicorns don't exist either. So what? Do you believe in thoes?



Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting does not make your case appear stronger. FYI.



Trust me, I get it. Do you know what baseless and without merit means?



Yes it is actually.

haha, Oh my gosh. You say you get it. You are not even aware that you are so inconsistent and irrational with both the Bible and Evolution. lol. Like I told Isambard, whenever you get to a point of understand and knowledge. Come talk to me, because as of right now, you do not even know about evolution or the Bible. And your illogical reasoning is there to prove it. lol. Willingly ignorant of "the truth" .. What a shame. You all do understand the claims I make, because ..just nvm.. your just going to say something even more senseless of the "truth"

 

[Rasta]

haha, Oh my gosh. You say you get it. You are not even aware that you are so inconsistent and irrational with both the Bible and Evolution. lol. Like I told Isambard, whenever you get to a point of understand and knowledge. Come talk to me, because as of right now, you do not even know about evolution or the Bible. And your illogical reasoning is there to prove it. lol. Willingly ignorant of "the truth" .. What a shame. You all do understand the claims I make, because ..just nvm.. your just going to say something even more senseless of the "truth"

So you don't know what baseless and without merit means, because that comprises your entier post.

 

[PT Calvinist]

Norse.

In your Honest Opinon what are the benefits of believing in him?

 

[Rasta]

In your Honest Opinon what are the benefits of believing in him?

None. I certainly wouldn't choose to believe in something for a percieved gain. I don't think belief changes reality in any way. He's just cool.

This is only if I was FORCED to choose a religion.

 

[PT Calvinist]

None. I certainly wouldn't choose to believe in something for a percieved gain. I don't think belief changes reality in any way. He's just cool.

This is only if I was FORCED to choose a religion.

Ok.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

So you don't know what baseless and without merit means, because that comprises your entier post.

Baseless - without foundation. This is again very misleading on your part because you obviously do not understand Creationism. Do you have a scientific or rational objection? You'll misinterpret the question I asked like you have my other claims and questions.

Dictionary.com

mer⋅it

   /ˈmɛr

ɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mer-it] Show IPA Use merit in a Sentence

–noun 1. claim to respect and praise; excellence; worth. 2. something that deserves or justifies a reward or commendation; a commendable quality, act, etc.: The book's only merit is its sincerity. 3. merits, the inherent rights and wrongs of a matter, as a lawsuit, unobscured by procedural details, technicalities, personal feelings, etc.: The case will be decided on its merits alone. 4. Often, merits. the state or fact of deserving; desert: to treat people according to their merits. 5. Roman Catholic Church. worthiness of spiritual reward, acquired by righteous acts made under the influence of grace. 6. Obsolete. something that is deserved, whether good or bad.
–verb (used with object) 7. to be worthy of; deserve.
–verb (used without object) 8. Chiefly Theology. to acquire merit.
–adjective 9. based on merit: a merit raise of $25 a week.
entier or entire? J/w

Yet again nor do you understand.

 

[Rasta]

Baseless - without foundation.

Good job. I'm proud of you.

This is again very misleading on your part because you obviously do not understand Creationism.

No it's not misleading. I do understand creationism, that's why I say it's baseless and without merit.

Do you have a scientific or rational objection?

To creationism? Absolutely, yes. How much time do you have?

You'll misinterpret the question I asked like you have my other claims and questions.

You assume too much. Just because I disagree with your "evidence" and your opinions, doesn't mean I misinterpret anything.

Yet again nor do you understand.

This sentence doesn't make sense.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

Good job. I'm proud of you.



No it's not misleading. I do understand creationism, that's why I say it's baseless and without merit.



To creationism? Absolutely, yes. How much time do you have?



You assume too much. Just because I disagree with your "evidence" and your opinions, doesn't mean I misinterpret anything.



This sentence doesn't make sense.

I got a lot of time, and yes you will probably give me an answer. It will probably not make sense. But go ahead. No you do not understand creationism, saying it is baseless is showing me that you do not know.

 

[Isambard]

I got a lot of time, and yes you will probably give me an answer. It will probably not make sense. But go ahead. No you do not understand creationism, saying it is baseless is showing me that you do not know.

Name one, just one, science creationism is consistant with.

 

[PT Calvinist]

"They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority."

Yes they must...Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life"
Since He is truth we put Him as authority

 

[Isambard]

1. I already looked up non-sequitir earlier.
2. You did not correct me on this because I studied up on this, and it is not an actual unicorn, what you told me was false information. The bible passages = true. Actual unicorn like the one in fantasies = false.

Wrong. The Bible does not have unicorns, magic, or dragons. This again is a fallacy of presumptions

Some people claim the Bible is a book of fairy tales because it mentions unicorns. However, the biblical unicorn was a real animal, not an imaginary creature. The Bible refers to the unicorn in the context of familiar animals, such as peacocks, lambs, lions, bullocks, goats, donkeys, horses, dogs, eagles, and calves (Job 39:9–12.1) In Job 38–41, God reminded Job of the characteristics of a variety of impressive animals He had created, showing Job that God was far above man in power and strength.2
Unicorns in the Bible? - Answers in Genesis

Bible (King James)/Bel and the Dragon - Wikisource

Leviticus 14:2-52 (for magical blood cure for leprosy)

I see you have yet to address biblical dragons and magic.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

Name one, just one, science creationism is consistant with.

All of that creationists do, because all knowledge comes from the preconditions of Intelligibility. Without them there would be no science or knowledge and only a biblical creation worldview does it make sense.

Oh and about the dragons, again I already know about that one. It is not addressing fantasy dragons. Like I said if you understood the Bible and creation you would already know that it is not fantasy animals it is talking about. Telling me this shows me you know nothing about it.

Now where does it use magic?

 

[Rasta]

I got a lot of time, and yes you will probably give me an answer. It will probably not make sense. But go ahead. No you do not understand creationism, saying it is baseless is showing me that you do not know.

Another No True Scottsman Fallacy. You sure are racking up your fallacy count today.

I'll try to talk with real simple words, so I do not loose you.

1. Creationists say that the earth is young. This is obviously false. We have many very accurate methods to determine the age of the earth. It is billions of years old. That means the earth is not young and creationists are wrong.

2. Creationists deny the facts of evolution, and pretend it is a matter of opinion. It is not a matter of opinion. The facts of evolution have been well established for many years. Our fossile record is excellent. We are able to map the genome (DNA) and trace the origins of every living creature on the face of the planet. That includes you.

3. Creationism relies soley on circular reasoning. The basis they use to justify their belief, is their belief. There are no facts that support the creationist world view. Only opinions and rhetoric. Circular reasoning (look it up if you need to) is a poor form of reasoning.

4. Creationists think that dinosaurs existed at the same time as man. This is obviously false. The geological record shows that the existence of humans and dinosaurs are separated by millions of years.

That should be enough for now. I may have used some words that are too big, but let me know if you don't understand something.

 

[PT Calvinist]

Do you agree with this statement?

If you only have two possibilities to account for something and one of them is negated, the other is validated and you do not need to prove it is true. It is true by default.