Good reason to be an atheist?(moved from Christian Appologetics)

[R3quiem]

Atheism offers nothing but truth ? How is that?

Since your faith belief system is "agnostic" How do you know that the statements you made are even real? Because no matter what evidence there is you "do not know" If there is a God or not a God. If you do not believe anything then your basic morality of life, is based on nothing, and has no meaning. So how do you know your even here, if you "don't know" anything no matter what evidence supports?

I said, "Atheism doesn't offer anything except for the truth, if that's what you determine the truth is."

Atheism is an absence of belief in god, not necessarily a declaration that no gods exist. Being an atheist means you don't accept claims and statements made by religions regarding the existence of their gods.

I'm not going to post in this thread again- the fact that such a simple concept reached 600 posts is crazy, and I'm not going to contribute to making it any longer. Everything I have to say regarding the topic is contained within that last post.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

Evolution in itself is counted to be as a religion. Atheism offers nothing to no one, Since their life is basically here to live and die and go back to the ground. If atheism offers nothing to no one, Where did "love" come from? If an atheist is married or in "love" then they should have a rational explanation for where "Love" came from, because I know the Evolution from a single celled organism did not produce love. That is just fallacious.

 

[TerranceL]

Man Do your own research, I am not going to tell you, I mean you should have figured that one out by now, but man, I'll leave you to do the research since I have to all the time for you guys, So this time, you go do it, and make your own self happy, okay. =]

In other words you have no idea and this is a cop out.

 

[TerranceL]

I cannot believe that you attack me for using something against you guys, Just once, That long paragraph before that, I typed that on my own, that was not a copy and paste. Now the one about the flood i posted was not from answers in gensis or christiananswers.net, I got it from creation.com, and You all attack me whenever I use a site to state claims, but it is okay for you all to use sites like talkorigins.com to state claims, but talkorigins.com must not be lying at all right? Suurrrreeee. Sounds unreasonable, and selfish. (note I am not talking to a specific person moderators, Im talking about Evolutionists in general)

You aren't being attacked, what you are doing is pretending that you are being attacked so that you may ignore the arguments.

It's customary that when a person cut's and pastes and argument to post a link to where you got it.

It's common courtesy.

 

[TerranceL]

Evolution in itself is counted to be as a religion.

Not by anybody who knows what a religion is.

Atheism offers nothing to no one, Since their life is basically here to live and die and go back to the ground.

You are here to live and die and go back to the ground too, the difference is I don't have any need of an invisible man to accept that.

If atheism offers nothing to no one, Where did "love" come from?

Rephrase.

If an atheist is married or in "love" then they should have a rational explanation for where "Love" came from,

They should? Why should they have an explantion of where love comes from? Love is an emotion, a chemical reaction. It's not that difficult.

because I know the Evolution from a single celled organism did not produce love. That is just fallacious.

Could you explain in detail why the argument is a fallacy?

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

Not by anybody who knows what a religion is.

You are here to live and die and go back to the ground too, the difference is I don't have any need of an invisible man to accept that.

Rephrase.



They should? Why should they have an explantion of where love comes from? Love is an emotion, a chemical reaction. It's not that difficult.

Could you explain in detail why the argument is a fallacy?

1. That earlier post, I made was not a cop out, I already knew what happened to the fish in Freshwaters going into waters that have salt, it is not that hard, Just look it up.

2, Why is it a fallacy? Well, because I refuse to believe that "love" is a chemical reaction. Not just because of "me".. Love in general is not a chemical reaction. There are different types of love my friend, there is the kind where you love somebody within yourself, There is love when two bond together, which exists outside the body, but whatever I say won't make any sense to you guys. You'll probably post a link, linking me to somewhere about how love is a chemcial reaction. Well is it logical to think that if your married to a woman you love very much, and have one child and both the mother and daughter/son almost died, you love them both very much, Is it logical to think, Oh Our love honey(wife) is just a chemical reaction, Son/daughter, our relationship together and your uniqueness is why I love you but I love you by this chemical reaction process? This just does not fit the description of love.

 

[PT Calvinist]

Main Entry: 1faith 1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction ; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
faith - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Main Entry: prob·a·bil·i·ty 1: the quality or state of being probable2: something (as an event or circumstance) that is probable3 a (1): the ratio of the number of outcomes in an exhaustive set of equally likely outcomes that produce a given event to the total number of possible outcomes (2): the chance that a given event will occur b: a branch of mathematics concerned with the study of probabilities4: a logical relation between statements such that evidence confirming one confirms the other to some degree
probability - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Reminds me of Freemasonry

600 posts? Are you kidding me?

Someone asking this question is stuck in the mindset of a theist. I could ask, what does Christianity offer me? Eternal life- sweet! Or, what does Buddhism offer me? Nirvana- cool!

Atheism doesn't offer anything except for the truth, if that's what you determine the truth is. You're an atheist if you don't believe in gods- so a good reason to be an atheist is if gods don't exist. It offers what you make of it- nothing more, nothing less.

Interesting.....Truth is nice...But we're just going to cease existence according to Atheism.....

Does this mean there is no purpose in life? That's what it seems to mean to me. just matter going back to matter.

I think you'd hit it off better with Mormonism honestly. They believe that they can become a god, that Satan and Jesus are literal brothers, that God has a body of flesh and bones and has a goddess wife, and that you can become a god of your own world.

 

[Isambard]

Reminds me of Freemasonry

Basing one's decisions on logic rather than faith reminds you of Freemasonry? How so?

is nice...But we're just going to cease existence according to Atheism.....

Does this mean there is no purpose in life? That's what it seems to mean to me. just matter going back to matter.

In means you make your own purpose. I've never understood how theists could be happy with their meaning effectively being some deity's plaything.

 

[PT Calvinist]

Basing one's decisions on logic rather than faith reminds you of Freemasonry? How so?

Enjoy the links. They might help you in your arguments against Creationists.
NCSE | National Center for Science Education - Defending the Teaching of Evolution in Public Schools.
OPPOSITION TO CREATIONISM
Evolution Entrance

Not exactly logic. The probability part...Mainly because I was just reading on the probability that Masons aren't really all that bad...

In means you make your own purpose. I've never understood how theists could be happy with their meaning effectively being some deity's plaything.

Well if you look at it that way...rofl.

I'm sure many Christians feel similarly towards atheism.

Btw, in a Universalist's POV everyone is going to heaven, whether they believe in God or not. They could blaspheme God to His face yet they still believe those people will go to heaven. I guess that means you and everyone else will be up there.

Let me illustrate this with a Universalist witnessing to a Mormon:
Universalist: "Listen here Mormon, if you continue to believe that you can become a god, that Satan and Jesus are literal brothers, that God has a body of flesh and bones and has a goddess wife, and that you can become a god of your own world, you know what is going to happen to you? You're going to heaven! So there!"

Mormon: "Sounds good to me."

 

[SiderealExalt]

Interesting.....Truth is nice...But we're just going to cease existence according to Atheism.....

Does this mean there is no purpose in life? That's what it seems to mean to me. just matter going back to matter.

Yes and? Just because that's how you feel, doesn't mean I have to.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Interesting.....Truth is nice...But we're just going to cease existence according to Atheism.....

Does this mean there is no purpose in life? That's what it seems to mean to me. just matter going back to matter.

It doesn't mean that to me. Purpose in life is found in living. Life is an end-in-itself, not a necessary preliminary in working towards a promised afterlife.

Do you aim to make something of your life and yourself? You have meaning in life.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[PT Calvinist]

It doesn't mean that to me. Purpose in life is found in living. Life is an end-in-itself, not a necessary preliminary in working towards a promised afterlife.

Do you aim to make something of your life and yourself? You have meaning in life.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Yeah but my meaning/purpose is far different from yours. Since I look through a Christian lens and you look through a Atheist lens.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Yeah but my meaning/purpose is far different from yours. Since I look through a Christian lens and you look through a Atheist lens.

Yes, meaning/purpose is individual, not generic.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[millefeori]

The Ancient Texts & Mayan Calendar Say, that we continue a cyclical never -ending life~~ Destruction will & has happened here on Earth As predicted and depicted on the Stone Text Tablettes ~~ Someone made a comment referring to the 2012 End Times~~ if it didn't worry the Mayans Then why should we worry ??
There's also an ancient symbol that is seen in every culture around the world .... it's a drawing of a snake Swollowing it's tail ~~ this symbol represents that with destruction is also a new rebirth ~ Hence living life over & over & over never ending......

 

[Isambard]

Enjoy the links. They might help you in your arguments against Creationists.
NCSE | National Center for Science Education - Defending the Teaching of Evolution in Public Schools.
OPPOSITION TO CREATIONISM
Evolution Entrance

Not exactly logic. The probability part...Mainly because I was just reading on the probability that Masons aren't really all that bad...

I really dont see how this has any relevance to what I was saying.

Well if you look at it that way...rofl.
I'm sure many Christians feel similarly towards atheism.

The difference is that put under a different context, the christian meaning of life becomes universally vile. For ex. if I threw a rope around someone's neck and declared that their purpose in life was to serve me, Im sure there would be an angry outcry. Why is no outcry given when applied to God?

 

[PT Calvinist]

I really dont see how this has any relevance to what I was saying.

That's fine.

The difference is that put under a different context, the christian meaning of life becomes universally vile. For ex. if I threw a rope around someone's neck and declared that their purpose in life was to serve me, Im sure there would be an angry outcry. Why is no outcry given when applied to God?

I think the difference would be better put as I'm a Christian, you're an Athesit. We disagree a lot.

Also, I think that the ex. would seem to fit me better if it was as follows: I believe the Bible. I believe in God. I, out of my own accord, choose to serve God. So there is no outcry.

Secular Web: Atheism, Agnosticism, Naturalism, Skepticism and Secularism

 

[Isambard]

That's fine.


I think the difference would be better put as I'm a Christian, you're an Athesit. We disagree a lot.

Also, I think that the ex. would seem to fit me better if it was as follows: I believe the Bible. I believe in God. I, out of my own accord, choose to serve God. So there is no outcry.

Secular Web: Atheism, Agnosticism, Naturalism, Skepticism and Secularism

Then it isnt God who has given you meaning (thus agreeing with me that he is unncessary for such things). It is you who have chosenone for yourself.

 

[PT Calvinist]

Then it isnt God who has given you meaning (thus agreeing with me that he is unncessary for such things). It is you who have chosenone for yourself.

Sensible...but I do need God because without Him I have no purpose.

Since I believe in the Bible, I believe in creation, and that God created us out of love so that He could share His love with humanity. Your analogy may be used in the sense that, no matter what I do I am created by God and have a stamp on me saying "Property of God"

I don't see atheists outcry though. They just go along doing their thing.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

Atheists/Evolutionists believe that the "Big Bang" Made the whole universe, and that all life has came from random processes and chance. Well, if everyone and everything came to being by chance that means your brain is a product of chance. If your brain is a product of chance that also means that your thought process that determines your logic are also products of chance. If your logic is a result of chance processes you cannot be sure it has evolved properly. You cannot even be sure you're asking the right questions because you cannot trust your own logic.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Natural selection is not "chance".