Good reason to be an atheist?(moved from Christian Appologetics)

[WingsOfEagles07]

And the same thing for you guys, use your own arguments as well.

 

[Isambard]

I dont know why you guys are even bothering. He refuses to even define evolution or life (as he's dodged both questions), so why even bother with someone who's just out to do copy-paste and has admitted to not even bothering to reading your replies?

 

[Super_Rational]

I cannot believe that you attack me for using something against you guys, Just once, That long paragraph before that, I typed that on my own, that was not a copy and paste. Now the one about the flood i posted was not from answers in gensis or christiananswers.net, I got it from creation.com, and You all attack me whenever I use a site to state claims, but it is okay for you all to use sites like talkorigins.com to state claims, but talkorigins.com must not be lying at all right? Suurrrreeee. Sounds unreasonable, and selfish. (note I am not talking to a specific person moderators, Im talking about Evolutionists in general)

I've always posted my sources if I copy & paste, but usually I just link. I took several excerpts from your posts, copied into google, & what do you know, I found the same text on other creation websites. I realize you typed some of the older post yourself, but much of the "facts" you claimed were copied directly w/out a reference. Doing the same with this latest post comes up w/ word-for-word text from christiananswers.net. And I didn't say you posted from AIG. Read what I wrote. I said your copied info references AIG when I was explaining why I don't take it seriously.

I'm not necessarily attacking you for using a website. We all do that, obviously. I'm pointing out obvious errors (you call it attacking) such as not posting a reference, & the dishonesty of creation websites that you cite exclusively. Go ahead & whine all you want, but it's not going to help your arguments or make the "facts" you post any more credible.

Besides, talkorigins is good about posting references & backing up what they say & they have more credibility. If I'm unsure or skeptical about something there, I can always check out their references. Now quit pointing your finger make a reasonable post. (note: I'm talking about YOU)

 

[Super_Rational]

I dont know why you guys are even bothering. He refuses to even define evolution or life (as he's dodged both questions), so why even bother with someone who's just out to do copy-paste and has admitted to not even bothering to reading your replies?

Yeah I don't know either. Maybe some innocent bystanders lurking out there will see & agree w/ the problems w/ these fundamentalist creation arguments, or scientific arguments in general? (Not that they will probably read 60 pages) Who knows.

 

[2 King]

Yeah I don't know either. Maybe some innocent bystanders lurking out there will see & agree w/ the problems w/ these fundamentalist creation arguments, or scientific arguments in general? (Not that they will probably read 60 pages) Who knows.

Is their no evidence that God.....................exists?

 

[Super_Rational]

Is their no evidence that God.....................exists?

I think the difference is what you or I would call evidence for a god. When people see things which they claim to be the work of god, I see perfectly good natural explanations. Sure we don't know everything, especially with something as difficult to probe as the universe's origins, but I can't make a leap of faith & say god did it.

 

[2 King]

I think the difference is what you or I would call evidence for a god. When people see things which they claim to be the work of god, I see perfectly good natural explanations. Sure we don't know everything, especially with something as difficult to probe as the universe's origins, but I can't make a leap of faith & say god did it.

But you can make a leap of faith and say God didn't? and God dosen't exist? even when there is no proof of that or even evidence.

Is it true That Atheists require evidence that is impossible for them to believe in God:?

 

[Rasta]

But you can make a leap of faith and say God didn't?

That's not a leap of faith.

and God dosen't exist? even when there is no proof of that or even evidence.

We understand a great many things about our natural world. Based on this knowledge, it seems to operate by cold, uncaring, natural processes. It is not a leap of faith to say that dancing doesn't cause rain, or that leprechauns don't make the sun rise.

Is it true That Atheists require evidence that is impossible for them to believe in God:?

This doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Isambard]

But you can make a leap of faith and say God didn't? and God dosen't exist? even when there is no proof of that or even evidence.

Is it true That Atheists require evidence that is impossible for them to believe in God:?

You make the claim, you provide the evidence.

 

[PT Calvinist]

It is not a leap of faith to say that dancing doesn't cause rain, or that leprechauns don't make the sun rise.

Actually it is...It's a leap of faith when there are already so many variables.
For an Atheist I suppose it would be different' since if you compressed it, it would end up being.."Choose Atheism....or Theism"
It's a leap of faith for me to chose Christianity over Atheism or any other religion.
It's a leap of faith not to believe that invisible pink unicorns don't control an ice cream factory on jupiter (yeah I read that and thought it was pretty funny) There is no proof that they don't exist. Thus making our disbelief in them, our personal belief that they don't exist. Believing is synonymous with faith.

 

[Isambard]

Truth in regards to "True God"

This is circular reasoning

Meaining in Him there is no Darkness at all,

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 KJB

That said, what you said makes no sense unless you elaborate.

"We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in his love. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them."- 1 John 4:16

You havent answered the question. You just restated what you said.

God is infinite, God is love, therefore Love is infinite, God is light, Therefore, since God is infinite, light then is infinite

Again, circular reasoning not to mention given that we know light has a speed limit meaning it isnt infinite.

Could you elaborate on how this is so?

Neither light nor love is infinite, thus neither is omnipresent. If God is either of these things, then he cant be everywhere.

His Arm. He made Heaven and Earth with it.

You havent answered the question. Where did the power in his arm come from, and explain how it works.

Isaiah 40:13-25

22 God sits above the circle of the earth
You realize what you just quoted is talking about a flat Earth right?

1 Kings 8:27 Psalm 139

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 139 ;&version=51;

Those didnt answer my question. What about what you quoted would be your definition of "most perfect"?

"For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”- John 4:24

You simply restated what I asked you to define.

Not so. "All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen."- 1 Tim. 1:17

You dodged the question once again. How do you account that this statement contradicts prior assertions?

Not so. In other sense, No one can measure his greatness.

So can you possible say he's the "most" of anything?

Really?
“I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,”[a] says the Lord God. “I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”- Revelation 1:8

Yes. The statement is redundant.

Wisdom Defined

This link is talking about "Wisdom Literature", which has no relevance to point you were trying to make.

Holiness Defined
In short: Holiness is like God in a way, It cannot be defined.

So can you even say that God is most holy, let alone holy? That said, if cannot be defined, then what was the purpose of this list?

"Our God is in the heavens, and he does as he wishes."- Psalm 115:3

If I defy God, then arnt I more powerful/ more "free"?

“I am the First and the Last;
there is no other God."- Isaiah 44:6

This has no relelvance to the claim that "God is Long-suffering"

Explained in :Romans 8:28 and in Ephesians 1:11

This would also mean He sends people to hell given that itd be all part of his plan, Contradicting God is Love/most loving.

From all creation

Even from unbelievers?

"But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love. God showed how much he loved us by sending his one and only Son into the world so that we might have eternal life through him. This is real love—not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to take away our sins."- 1 John 4:8-10

But if its all according to his plan, then he planned for sin to enter the world in the first place.

Psalm 86:15
"And remember, the Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him—"- 2 Peter 3:15

Factually incorrect. Many cultures had their own ideas on love without ever knowing the Hebrew god.

Meaning He lavishes goodness on those who come to you for protection, blessing them before the watching world.

How is this different from any other person with power?

Sin

But everything is part of his plan. Why should anyone ask for forgivenss for something he planned for/intended?

Click this one for more details Hebrews 11:6

That makes God sound rather vain doesnt it?

Not so, it dosen't contridict all powerful.
Nehemiah 9:32-33

Sort of a bizarre prayer if God planned everything from the get-go. Once again, why ask for forgiveness if God intended for things to play out as they did?

How?

Love and hate are two different things.

See Light and Love

See the problems I pointed out

 

[Isambard]

Actually it is...It's a leap of faith when there are already so many variables.
For an Atheist I suppose it would be different' since if you compressed it, it would end up being.."Choose Atheism....or Theism"
It's a leap of faith for me to chose Christianity over Atheism or any other religion.
It's a leap of faith not to believe that invisible pink unicorns don't control an ice cream factory on jupiter (yeah I read that and thought it was pretty funny) There is no proof that they don't exist. Thus making our disbelief in them, our personal belief that they don't exist. Believing is synonymous with faith.

Main Entry: 1faith 1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction ; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
faith - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Main Entry: prob·a·bil·i·ty 1: the quality or state of being probable2: something (as an event or circumstance) that is probable3 a (1): the ratio of the number of outcomes in an exhaustive set of equally likely outcomes that produce a given event to the total number of possible outcomes (2): the chance that a given event will occur b: a branch of mathematics concerned with the study of probabilities4: a logical relation between statements such that evidence confirming one confirms the other to some degree
probability - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

 

[SiderealExalt]

This thread should be stickied as a..list of myths, assumptions and bad logic involving perceptions of atheism and science.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

This thread should be stickied as a..list of myths, assumptions and bad logic involving perceptions of atheism and science.

What logic do you perceive to be "good logic of perceptions of atheism" ?

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

Main Entry: 1faith 1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction ; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
faith - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Main Entry: prob·a·bil·i·ty 1: the quality or state of being probable2: something (as an event or circumstance) that is probable3 a (1): the ratio of the number of outcomes in an exhaustive set of equally likely outcomes that produce a given event to the total number of possible outcomes (2): the chance that a given event will occur b: a branch of mathematics concerned with the study of probabilities4: a logical relation between statements such that evidence confirming one confirms the other to some degree
probability - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Point ??

 

[SiderealExalt]

What logic do you perceive to be "good logic of perceptions of atheism" ?

Hooked on phonics what?

 

[Isambard]

Point ??

Point, missed you!

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

I get it that you posted that according to that one guys post, but what is the point in defining the definitions? That made nobody get anywhere.

 

[R3quiem]

600 posts? Are you kidding me?

Someone asking this question is stuck in the mindset of a theist. I could ask, what does Christianity offer me? Eternal life- sweet! Or, what does Buddhism offer me? Nirvana- cool!

Atheism doesn't offer anything except for the truth, if that's what you determine the truth is. You're an atheist if you don't believe in gods- so a good reason to be an atheist is if gods don't exist. It offers what you make of it- nothing more, nothing less.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

600 posts? Are you kidding me?

Someone asking this question is stuck in the mindset of a theist. I could ask, what does Christianity offer me? Eternal life- sweet! Or, what does Buddhism offer me? Nirvana- cool!

Atheism doesn't offer anything except for the truth, if that's what you determine the truth is. You're an atheist if you don't believe in gods- so a good reason to be an atheist is if gods don't exist. It offers what you make of it- nothing more, nothing less.

Atheism offers nothing but truth ? How is that?

Since your faith belief system is "agnostic" How do you know that the statements you made are even real? Because no matter what evidence there is you "do not know" If there is a God or not a God. If you do not believe anything then your basic morality of life, is based on nothing, and has no meaning. So how do you know your even here, if you "don't know" anything no matter what evidence supports?