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What do you think of Hinduism?

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Indeed. I find it frightening that Christians in the west have this persecution complex. In Europe, the major distributor of persecution was Christians; more people - both Christian and non-Christian - died due to Christian ideology than even fascism and Sovietism. Christian has no right to talk about persecution in the west; when they are burnt at the stake or tortured for not believing in the ''one true God'' then they can start complaining about persecution.

Even in liberal countries Christian churches are protected and have tax-exempt status. This is the case in England, English heathenism (the oldest religion amongst the English people) isn't even classed as an official religion and Hindus cannot even have a Hundu cremation!
 
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Even in liberal countries Christian churches are protected and have tax-exempt status. This is the case in England, English heathenism (the oldest religion amongst the English people) isn't even classed as an official religion and Hindus cannot even have a Hundu cremation!

Hindu cremation? Are you sure you want to blaspheme the OP by bringing up traditional Hindu beliefs and practices...Sati, racism, bestiality, etc.?
 
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Such behavior is not limited to this board. :D I once had a woman make fun of my beliefs and then start prying tactlessly, but when others called her out for her rude proselytizing methods, she spent the next few months moaning about how she was always being persecuted for her "true Christian beliefs" until she finally got banned. It's ridiculous, but I guess it happens when a majority religion develops a persecution complex.

I'm not so sure that explains it. I find that some people are incapable of seeing things from another person's perspective. They just can't put themselves in the shoes of another. Such people will never realize that they are applying a double-standard of behavior. That sounds like her problem.


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Oh, I don't doubt it's a personal problem as well.. but to have minimal experience with people of minority religions and believe the world is out to get you for your religion doesn't help. This lady actually said that all non-Christians had it really easy in society, which I supposed made her feel attacking me was okay. (She lumped all non-Christians into the same 'secular' mold, which bound us together and allowed us to have a conspiracy against her kind.) So she was nuts, yeah, but I've actually seen this pattern before. I don't know if it's just Christians, but it's more ironic when it's them.
 
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All I know about Hinduism is what I've read on Wikipedia and from watching Sita Sings the Blues, good take on the Mahayana by the way.

As an Eastern Orthodox Christian I find we have a lot in common with Hindus and other Eastern religions. We both believe in living a virtuous life even though our reasons for doing so may be different. The concept of moksha is similar to our idea of theosis in some ways as well.

The followers of Dvaita (dualistic) schools identify themselves as part of Brahman, and after attaining moksha expect to spend eternity in a Ioka (heaven)

Sounds the same as theosis to me. :D
 
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All I know about Hinduism is what I've read on Wikipedia and from watching Sita Sings the Blues, good take on the Mahayana by the way.

I haven't seen that movie, and this might be somewhat unfair of me, but I doubt someone completely alien to the religion and motivated by the fact that her husband had just left her could produce a "good take" on the RAMAYANA. But, I should probably see the movie to confirm.
 
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Oh, I don't doubt it's a personal problem as well.. but to have minimal experience with people of minority religions and believe the world is out to get you for your religion doesn't help.

Yeah, that's true.

This lady actually said that all non-Christians had it really easy in society, which I supposed made her feel attacking me was okay.

That's interesting. I've seen the opposite prejudice -- that Christians (and perhaps other monotheists) were somehow specially capable to be financially successful in a way that atheists and polytheists simply weren't.

(She lumped all non-Christians into the same 'secular' mold, which bound us together and allowed us to have a conspiracy against her kind.)

I've seen this too.

So she was nuts, yeah, but I've actually seen this pattern before. I don't know if it's just Christians, but it's more ironic when it's them.

Interesting, thanks.


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:confused:So if you may have been a sheep or a cow in a previous life, it is conceivable that you may have been a tiger as well. So the tiger is part of the family too, correct? So how come when you are a tiger it is okay to eat your brothers and sisters (sheep and cows),but not when you are a human? Wouldn't it be the same thing? And if not, why not?

Tigers, lions, wolves, dogs, cats and other carnivorous animals are supposed to eat meat. That is their prescribed food. Their bodies are designed to digest meat (for example, they have pointed teeth for ripping flesh, their intestinal tract is shorter than that of herbivores to allow rapidly decaying meat to pass out quickly, and their stomachs have stronger acids in order to break down meat). When humans are compared to both herbivorous and carnivorous animals, it is shown that humans are much closer to the herbivores than the carnivores.

Oh, I don't doubt it's a personal problem as well.. but to have minimal experience with people of minority religions and believe the world is out to get you for your religion doesn't help. This lady actually said that all non-Christians had it really easy in society, which I supposed made her feel attacking me was okay. (She lumped all non-Christians into the same 'secular' mold, which bound us together and allowed us to have a conspiracy against her kind.) So she was nuts, yeah, but I've actually seen this pattern before. I don't know if it's just Christians, but it's more ironic when it's them.

Most non-Christians (except the Muslims) aren't against Christianity because they worship Jesus Christ or the Trinity, they view Christianity negatively because of Christian intolerance of other religious views and lifestyles such as homosexuality. Hindus don't mind if you worship Jesus (in fact some Hindus may well pray to Jesus and Mary as incarnations of God). However, many Hindus are against Christianity for their strong proselytizing and missionary work, which destroys families in many cases when one member of the family converts to Christianity. Sita Ram Goel, author of Jesus Christ: An Artifice for Aggression, recounts in another of his books, How I Became a Hindu, how he met a Christian man in a mission in India. This man would live in the mission until the day he died, since his family had rejected him. He had converted to Christianity, and a while afterwards, he ate beef as he was told that his conversion was not complete until he did it. It was this act that caused his wife to leave him. This is the problem that many Hindus have with Christianity.

Non-Christians do not have it "easy" in society. It is hard here in Malaysia, a predominantly Muslim country with a sizeable Chinese minority, to find vegetarian food. There are vegetarian restaurants and stalls, but not everywhere has them and it can be hard to find vegetarian food. Soap, shaving foam and other products we use daily all contain animal fat and getting special vegetarian alternatives can be difficult. I'm just glad that there are enough.

So non-Christians don't have it easier than Christians. And it's not the Christians' faith in God that people are "persecuting", it's their rigid intolerance of things like other religions, homosexuality etc.
 
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Hindu cremation? Are you sure you want to blaspheme the OP by bringing up traditional Hindu beliefs and practices...Sati, racism, bestiality, etc.?

Still up to your same old blasphemes, insults and hypocrisy I see, Chesterton.

Anyway, Hindu cremation is no less ridiculous than a Christian funeral or cremation (which didn't even originate with Christians). And no Christian has a right to declare Hinduism racist. Your religion works on exclusivist Religious Supremacy whereas Hinduism contains the inclusivist view that all souls will reach moksha.

I also guess that you have not heard of the Prevention of Sati Act in India. Claiming that Hindus still preform Sati is like cliaming that Christians still stone women for adultary. Anyway, secular Europeans find the right-wing Christian support for the death penalty in the US barbaric.

While we are at it we can talk about the Curse of Ham (racism), stoning rape victims, genocides and murder that is contained in your believe. No doubt many Christian would consider that blasphemy, wouldn't they?

Don't practice hypocrisy Chesterton, it reflects badly upon you.
 
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Most non-Christians (except the Muslims) aren't against Christianity because they worship Jesus Christ or the Trinity, they view Christianity negatively because of Christian intolerance of other religious views and lifestyles such as homosexuality.

Exactly! I couldn't care less if Christians worship Yeshua Bar Yosep as a god or not. What I do care about is the fact that many Christians are hypocrites and intolerant and that a literal reading of their holy texts means subscribing to Religious Supremacy.

However, many Hindus are against Christianity for their strong proselytizing and missionary work, which destroys families in many cases when one member of the family converts to Christianity.

And many Buddhists are also against that and they are especially against the force conversion and scare tactics used by missionaries. Personally I wouldn't mind what religions my children follow as long as it isn't based aroung religious blackmail, scare tactics and religious intolerance.


So non-Christians don't have it easier than Christians. And it's not the Christians' faith in God that people are "persecuting", it's their rigid intolerance of things like other religions, homosexuality etc.

Exactly. Fundamentalist Christians are disliked because they spout hatred to homosexuals and non-Christians then hide behind a church. No, Christians like that have it easier in society than minority groups.

As I have stated, though this is going to change soon, Hindus still cannot have a Hindu cremation in England whereas Christian rights are protected. In England, the original heathen faith of the English is not even classified as an official religion unlike Christianity. It isn't easy to be a Buddhist in England either though it is easier to follow Buddha-dharma than some other religions I must admit.
 
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Tigers, lions, wolves, dogs, cats and other carnivorous animals are supposed to eat meat. That is their prescribed food. Their bodies are designed to digest meat (for example, they have pointed teeth for ripping flesh, their intestinal tract is shorter than that of herbivores to allow rapidly decaying meat to pass out quickly, and their stomachs have stronger acids in order to break down meat). When humans are compared to both herbivorous and carnivorous animals, it is shown that humans are much closer to the herbivores than the carnivores.

See, this is one of those things that makes me scratch my head and say "huh?" If all souls are connected (brothers and sisters) then why were some created to eat the flesh of those brothers and sisters and are permitted to do so while others are created with a nominal ability or need for the same types of food but are not permitted to do so? To me, it does not make sense. In one form you can kill and eat your baby brother while in another form you can't - but it is still the same soul involved. So why is it ok to kill in the one but not in the other?
 
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I haven't seen that movie, and this might be somewhat unfair of me, but I doubt someone completely alien to the religion and motivated by the fact that her husband had just left her could produce a "good take" on the RAMAYANA. But, I should probably see the movie to confirm.

Doh, how did I screw that up? Too many different religions in my head, heh.
 
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My knowledge of Hinduism is rather minimal, but I must say that the people of India are among the nicest and happiest people on earth. They are so appreciative and they seem to love everyone! When I lived in the USA I lived in a city that had quite a few Hindu's, mainly immigrants from India. They would always tell me hi and always be so nice and generous.

And I know that this great heart is because of their religion, because I have read here and there and Hinduism emphasizes kindness and to be caring.

Definetely I give Hinduism 2 thumbs up. :)
 
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français;52270023 said:
My knowledge of Hinduism is rather minimal, but I must say that the people of India are among the nicest and happiest people on earth. They are so appreciative and they seem to love everyone! When I lived in the USA I lived in a city that had quite a few Hindu's, mainly immigrants from India. They would always tell me hi and always be so nice and generous.

And I know that this great heart is because of their religion, because I have read here and there and Hinduism emphasizes kindness and to be caring.

Definetely I give Hinduism 2 thumbs up. :)

An atheist gives religion a thumbs up?
 
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Still up to your same old blasphemes, insults and hypocrisy I see, Chesterton.

If facts are insulting, they need different facts.

Anyway, Hindu cremation is no less ridiculous than a Christian funeral or cremation (which didn't even originate with Christians). And no Christian has a right to declare Hinduism racist. Your religion works on exclusivist Religious Supremacy whereas Hinduism contains the inclusivist view that all souls will reach moksha.

I heard an untouchable interviewed in a documentary and he said "They treat us like filthy animals". He said he and his wife and children are not allowed to even walk on certain streets in a nearby city. Is moksha somehow a justification for that? Reminds me of that Bill Murray line from Caddyshack: "So I got that goin' for me."

I also guess that you have not heard of the Prevention of Sati Act in India.

I said "traditional" practices. But...they stopped burning innocent widows to death as early as 1987? A.D.? Within my lifetime even. Wow, I uh...don't know what to say. "Thank you India"?

Claiming that Hindus still preform Sati is like cliaming that Christians still stone women for adultary.

Christians stoning women? You're really knowledgeable.

Anyway, secular Europeans find the right-wing Christian support for the death penalty in the US barbaric.

While we are at it we can talk about the Curse of Ham (racism), stoning rape victims, genocides and murder that is contained in your believe. No doubt many Christian would consider that blasphemy, wouldn't they?

Don't practice hypocrisy Chesterton, it reflects badly upon you.

This is a thread about Hinduism. Can you at least save the Christianty bashing for threads about Christianity? Better yet, just stop bashing, and discuss things.
 
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If facts are insulting, they need different facts.



I heard an untouchable interviewed in a documentary and he said "They treat us like filthy animals". He said he and his wife and children are not allowed to even walk on certain streets in a nearby city. Is moksha somehow a justification for that? Reminds me of that Bill Murray line from Caddyshack: "So I got that goin' for me."



I said "traditional" practices. But...they stopped burning innocent widows to death as early as 1987? A.D.? Within my lifetime even. Wow, I uh...don't know what to say. "Thank you India"?



Christians stoning women? You're really knowledgeable.



This is a thread about Hinduism. Can you at least save the Christianty bashing for threads about Christianity? Better yet, just stop bashing, and discuss things.

*shakes off the mind control rays*...whoa there. I almost was going to say something good about a non-Christian religion. Thanks for the save Chesterton.:thumbsup:
 
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*shakes off the mind control rays*...whoa there. I almost was going to say something good about a non-Christian religion. Thanks for the save Chesterton.:thumbsup:

If you'd said something good about any religion I'd probably have reported it because I'd be certain your account must have been hacked. :D
 
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