How am I supposed to get saved when I have rejected the Holy Ghost too many times?

[RobertZ]

Guys, I know I have driven alot of you crazy with this stuff but I really feel that this explains what has happened with me. Please read over this as it puts it to words the way that I have been trying to describe.







ONE REJECTION TOO MANY

Three times in the Old Testament the Lord told Jeremiah not to pray for a certain people, that it would do no good for He was through with them. This is what God says to the Holy Spirit about those who have gone too far: Let that one go. In the Old Testament, God destroyed people in His wrath; today, in this dispensation of grace, not much of that happens. God's Spirit, no longer dealing with that person, just lifts from him, and he becomes like one of the walking dead so far as God is concerned. He no longer touches that one. Every time a sinner rejects God he places himself in an increasingly dangerous position, he becomes more helpless in the hands of the enemy. It's like tying your arm in a sling. If the arm is immobile for too long, the muscles waste away until the arm is useless, you cannot use it even though you try. Some people have rejected God so often that they no longer have enough of their own will left to return to Him; they do not have the strength to accept Him when He calls. The Spirit of God has lifted from them. Some who used to cry because they were under conviction about turning to Jesus, no longer give it any thought; they are too far from the Spirit. At any time they may take that fatal step of one rejection too many.
LET GOD'S SPIRIT PENETRATE YOUR VERY HEART

The Holy Spirit has come to each and every one of you; He is the third person in the trinity of the Godhead, and He pleads to help you. Why would you refuse? Again and again He knocks on your door, and you say you're not at home. At first He is grieved, but He keeps dealing with you. Will you reject Him until the anger comes and God commands the Holy Spirit to leave you alone?
In 1 John 5:16, There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. If you commit that sin, you are dead in the eyes of God: it's the sin of blaspheming against the Holy Ghost. It is true that the Holy Ghost follows some people all the days of their lives and deals with them on their death beds, but there are others whom the Holy Ghost ceased to visit years before they died. It is extremely dangerous to reject the Holy Ghost at any time. Just because a sinner is unafraid to die does not mean he is all right with God, it means he has hardened his heart to God past feeling the need for Him even in death.

 

[Standing Up]

So are you Baptist or unsaved?

 

[rosenherman]

I've been told as long as you are concerned about hurting or angering Holy Spirit, you are okay. You are saved. If you are no longer concerned, if you've hardened your heart against Him and don't care, you may have something to worry about. I'm also firmly OSAS. God can and will forgive us for our many faults; that is what Jesus died for.

 

[MrPolo]

God can forgive any sin. No matter how scarlet they be, they can be made white as snow. I recommend reading Thomas Aquinas' treatment on what the "unpardonable sin" in Scripture means. Scroll down to "Sins against the Holy Ghost" header.

 

[RobertZ]

If you are no longer concerned, if you've hardened your heart against Him and don't care, you may have something to worry about.

Thats just it, for the past 10yrs I had been involved in heavy heavy presumptuous sins with internet pornography, I would look at it without even caring.

This went on as I said for 10yrs and not once did I seem concerned about it and when I would go to church my mind would be somewhere else and my heart was no longer moved.

Long story short last Novemember I had a big scare, I was convinced the rapture was about to happen and I realized I had never given my heart to Jesus. I attempted to get saved but I also realized that the Holy Ghost had not convicted me to accept salvation for years.

Its like I suddenly woke up and realized I was not saved but at the same time I realized the Holy Ghost had ceased to work in my life. This has been a nightmare for me, all I feel that I can do is wait on my day of judgment.

 

[rosenherman]

Thats just it, for the past 10yrs I had been involved in heavy heavy presumptuous sins with internet pornography, I would look at it without even caring.

This went on as I said for 10yrs and not once did I seem concerned about it and when I would go to church my mind would be somewhere else and my heart was no longer moved.

Long story short last Novemember I had a big scare, I was convinced the rapture was about to happen and I realized I had never given my heart to Jesus. I attempted to get saved but I also realized that the Holy Ghost had not convicted me to accept salvation for years.

Its like I suddenly woke up and realized I was not saved but at the same time I realized the Holy Ghost had ceased to work in my life. This has been a nightmare for me, all I feel that I can do is wait on my day of judgment.

You haven't felt Holy Spirit for a long time, but you are feeling Him now. That's Him working on you.
Go to God and ask for forgiveness. He is swift to forgive. Your sin is not greater than God's ability to forgive. You have to accept His gift and know that you are forgiven. Just keep praying and listening to God.

1. Psalm 86:15
   But you, O Lord, are a compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness.
2. Psalm 103:8
   The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love.
3. Psalm 145:8
   The LORD is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love.

 

[wiselife]

Let me explain:

This is the power of your sins

Now this is the power of G R A C E

 

[Standing Up]

Guys, I know I have driven alot of you crazy with this stuff but I really feel that this explains what has happened with me. Please read over this as it puts it to words the way that I have been trying to describe.







ONE REJECTION TOO MANY

Three times in the Old Testament the Lord told Jeremiah not to pray for a certain people, that it would do no good for He was through with them. This is what God says to the Holy Spirit about those who have gone too far: Let that one go. In the Old Testament, God destroyed people in His wrath; today, in this dispensation of grace, not much of that happens. God's Spirit, no longer dealing with that person, just lifts from him, and he becomes like one of the walking dead so far as God is concerned. He no longer touches that one. Every time a sinner rejects God he places himself in an increasingly dangerous position, he becomes more helpless in the hands of the enemy. It's like tying your arm in a sling. If the arm is immobile for too long, the muscles waste away until the arm is useless, you cannot use it even though you try. Some people have rejected God so often that they no longer have enough of their own will left to return to Him; they do not have the strength to accept Him when He calls. The Spirit of God has lifted from them. Some who used to cry because they were under conviction about turning to Jesus, no longer give it any thought; they are too far from the Spirit. At any time they may take that fatal step of one rejection too many.
LET GOD'S SPIRIT PENETRATE YOUR VERY HEART

The Holy Spirit has come to each and every one of you; He is the third person in the trinity of the Godhead, and He pleads to help you. Why would you refuse? Again and again He knocks on your door, and you say you're not at home. At first He is grieved, but He keeps dealing with you. Will you reject Him until the anger comes and God commands the Holy Spirit to leave you alone?
In 1 John 5:16, There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. If you commit that sin, you are dead in the eyes of God: it's the sin of blaspheming against the Holy Ghost. It is true that the Holy Ghost follows some people all the days of their lives and deals with them on their death beds, but there are others whom the Holy Ghost ceased to visit years before they died. It is extremely dangerous to reject the Holy Ghost at any time. Just because a sinner is unafraid to die does not mean he is all right with God, it means he has hardened his heart to God past feeling the need for Him even in death.

Are you the final decision maker?

 

[OpenDoor]

Q: How am I supposed to get saved when I have rejected the Holy Ghost too many times?
A: Gods love for you.

If you feel anything, ANYTHING calling you to God then you have not rejected the Holy Spirit.

 

[rosenherman]

What he said!

 

[JudgeEden]

Thats just it, for the past 10yrs I had been involved in heavy heavy presumptuous sins with internet pornography, I would look at it without even caring.

This went on as I said for 10yrs and not once did I seem concerned about it and when I would go to church my mind would be somewhere else and my heart was no longer moved.

Long story short last Novemember I had a big scare, I was convinced the rapture was about to happen and I realized I had never given my heart to Jesus. I attempted to get saved but I also realized that the Holy Ghost had not convicted me to accept salvation for years.

Its like I suddenly woke up and realized I was not saved but at the same time I realized the Holy Ghost had ceased to work in my life. This has been a nightmare for me, all I feel that I can do is wait on my day of judgment.

I dont know your life, but I can tell you I was into sexual sin for most of my life. I started at a fairly young age. Because I was raised in a Christian family, I was concerned, but did it anyway. I have even almost fell into the homosexual lifestyle, trying to search for a boyfriend, while figuratively telling God to leave me alone.

He didn't leave me alone, im very glad He didn't. I was into a lot of things. I feel internet pornography alone is nothing compared to my sins, but I know God cares about me. I have proof He does. Be concerned, but dont get so concerned you start worrying if you'll be judged harshly or not. I hope this has helped, feel free to talk to me at anytime about this.

God Bless

 

[Standing Up]

RZ-

Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, Christ, Messiah?

 

[Arphaxad12]

Hi Guys!

Uh oh! You're all going to Hell in a handbasket for sure now!

Did you all know that Jesus completely destroyed sin right from the foundation of the world before the first man was ever created?

The way He did it was very clever and totally effective. What He did was to completely pay for all the rigteous demands of God's Holy Law for the immediate deaths of all mankind with His OWN death. And this was counted by God as done right from the beginning of Creation:
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Col 2:14 Blotting out (paying for) the handwriting of ordinances (God's Law) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (the imaginary "Beast"), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Hbr 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (underlines and color are my own).
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Jesus' death on that bloody Roman cross completely paid/satisfied/fulfilled every penalty for every violation of God's holy Law in the entire universe for all time, thus satisfying/"neutralizing"/"blotting out" the Law's ability to legally ever condemn anyone of sin!

So we are all legally free from any condemnation by God under His holy Law. Jesus completely desyroyed all sin in advance, right at it's "legal root" (the Law).

The reason we are forever free from any condenmation by the Lord is that we believers are no longer under the dead/fulfilled/satisfied Law, but the Lord has forever put all us believers under the complete paying power of Christ's shed blood. (grace).

The only thing standing between us and all the righteous lethal demands of God's holy Law is that same complete and eternal paying power of Jesus' shed blood. Because Jesus paid it ALL, our lives are eternally saved:
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Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Act 13:39 And by him (Christ) all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is (if it's paid/fulfilled/satisfied by Jesus' death), [there is] no (cannot possibly be any) transgression.

1Cr 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law. (satisfy/'Kill'/ the Law - You 'kill' sin"). (underlines, parentheses and color are my own).
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Two more things you guys need to know: 1. If Jesus' death had not atoned for ALL and every sin of all ages in the entire universe , Jesus in no way could have ever been resurrected.

The reason is that if Jesus had left even ONE sin of all the sin of all ages that the Father laid upon Him at His crucifixion, unpaid, it would have kept Him dead in the grave. So Jesus' resurrection is your "paid receipt" that all sin has been completely and forever destroyed.

2. Just because all sin has been completely and forever legally destroyed, this does NOT mean that we now have license to live our lives like the proverbial "drunken sailor."

There are still and always EARTHLY cnsequences for living like a fool. Don't work? - No money. Don't do your laundry? - No clean clothes. Don't talk nice to your wife? - No affection (or food!). Leave your kids with no guidance? - Horrible grief when they grow up. And the list goes on and on. This "list" of Earthly wisdom has nothing to do with your salvation, but rather with the quality of your PRESENT life. Your present life is in YOUR hands

Best Blessings,
"Arph"
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[andreha]

Guys, I know I have driven alot of you crazy with this stuff but I really feel that this explains what has happened with me. Please read over this as it puts it to words the way that I have been trying to describe.







ONE REJECTION TOO MANY

Three times in the Old Testament the Lord told Jeremiah not to pray for a certain people, that it would do no good for He was through with them. This is what God says to the Holy Spirit about those who have gone too far: Let that one go. In the Old Testament, God destroyed people in His wrath; today, in this dispensation of grace, not much of that happens. God's Spirit, no longer dealing with that person, just lifts from him, and he becomes like one of the walking dead so far as God is concerned. He no longer touches that one. Every time a sinner rejects God he places himself in an increasingly dangerous position, he becomes more helpless in the hands of the enemy. It's like tying your arm in a sling. If the arm is immobile for too long, the muscles waste away until the arm is useless, you cannot use it even though you try. Some people have rejected God so often that they no longer have enough of their own will left to return to Him; they do not have the strength to accept Him when He calls. The Spirit of God has lifted from them. Some who used to cry because they were under conviction about turning to Jesus, no longer give it any thought; they are too far from the Spirit. At any time they may take that fatal step of one rejection too many.
LET GOD'S SPIRIT PENETRATE YOUR VERY HEART

The Holy Spirit has come to each and every one of you; He is the third person in the trinity of the Godhead, and He pleads to help you. Why would you refuse? Again and again He knocks on your door, and you say you're not at home. At first He is grieved, but He keeps dealing with you. Will you reject Him until the anger comes and God commands the Holy Spirit to leave you alone?
In 1 John 5:16, There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. If you commit that sin, you are dead in the eyes of God: it's the sin of blaspheming against the Holy Ghost. It is true that the Holy Ghost follows some people all the days of their lives and deals with them on their death beds, but there are others whom the Holy Ghost ceased to visit years before they died. It is extremely dangerous to reject the Holy Ghost at any time. Just because a sinner is unafraid to die does not mean he is all right with God, it means he has hardened his heart to God past feeling the need for Him even in death.

The Holy Spirit will never give up on you. His love is the most wonderful, passionate love that you can ever imagine. Rest assured, He is tugging at the strings of your heart. Have a look at what the He says about you in 1Cor 12:3. It is proof that He still is with you.

 

[Emmy]

Dear RobertZ. How often did Jesus tell us, " Forgive each other, as God has forgiven you?" 7 times 7, or more? God is all Love and Forgiveness, and God sees our hearts, He knows what we really feel, or think. The O.T. is a History of the Israelites and their Prophets. When Jesus came, He showed us how God really is, all Love. Jesus also gave us 2 Commandments, which contain all what God tells us in His 10 Commandments. 1) Love God with all our hearts, all our souls, and all our minds. 2) Love our neighbour, i.e. all others, as we love ourselves. That is easy to remember, but not easy to follow. Yet we have years to become better and better at it, we have Jesus to help and guide us, and we have God to ask for forgiveness, every time we fail, or stumble. Jesus also taught us to pray, " Father forgive us our sins, as we forgive others who sin against us." God did not set a limit to " how often," He sees our hearts, He knows how sincerely we ask for forgiveness. As long as we ASK with sincerety, and try sincerely to become more and more as God wants us to be, we will be forgiven. It is up to you, Robert. And Jesus has shown us a loving and forgiving Heavenly Father. I say this humbly and with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[Arphaxad12]

Hello all you Hell-bound believers!

Since all my posts seem to be coming up either invisible, uninteligible, unbelievable, or all of the above, I've decided to borrow a Holy Spirit-inspired post from a friend here on CF, jeolmstead:
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I think Arph’s point is the same one I tried to make earlier.

Freedom from porn (or anything else) does come from the law.

If I put my faith in the law “Thou shall not look at porn” I will loose upon myself the very thing I want to avoid. (See Romans 7)

I am in a very real sense free to look at whatever I want. Is it good for me? No, but the law against it will not make me free.

God knew about my sin, past, present, and future. Jesus took care of it. It has been removed. My looking at porn does in no way bring it back. My freedom is not found in the law. My freedom is found in relationship with God through Christ.

In that relationship I am changed and my “want to’s” are changed.

The Devil says “You must stop or you can never draw near to God”

God says “Come to me child as you are and I will change you”

We are the ones who hide in the Garden, not God.

Someone said that the most tragic thing about what happened in the garden is that it still happens every day.

God took care of the sin. Porn and every other vile thing, we are free to be free

John O.
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Best Blessings,
"Arph"
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P.S. Don't anyone worry about "Hell." I recently found out you do get bottled water but you have to share it with a small child eating a hot dog.

 

[Arphaxad12]

Ok, Hello All,

So the question is: How am I supposed to get saved when I have ignored the Holy Spirit so many times?

My answer: It isn't the number of times you've rejected the Holy Spirit, that's TOTALLY irrelevant. Did you think the Lord tries to slit His wrists every time you reject Him? It's the number of times you've accepted His call (once being enough) to come and receive the eternal "washing of regeneration" by confessing Christ as the Son of God. THATS what counts! Here's what you have to do. The Lord has made it VERY simple so you can never brag about how hard it was. HE did all the work, not us!:
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1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Luk 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (underlines and color are my own).
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Best Blessings,
"Arph"
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[nephilimiyr]

Thats just it, for the past 10yrs I had been involved in heavy heavy presumptuous sins with internet pornography, I would look at it without even caring.

This went on as I said for 10yrs and not once did I seem concerned about it and when I would go to church my mind would be somewhere else and my heart was no longer moved.

Long story short last Novemember I had a big scare, I was convinced the rapture was about to happen and I realized I had never given my heart to Jesus. I attempted to get saved but I also realized that the Holy Ghost had not convicted me to accept salvation for years.

Its like I suddenly woke up and realized I was not saved but at the same time I realized the Holy Ghost had ceased to work in my life. This has been a nightmare for me, all I feel that I can do is wait on my day of judgment.

I realize this post of your's is but a very short post that explains something that you could talk about in much greater depth, but by reading what you wrote here doesn't give me the idea that you are past the point of being saved.

There is evidence in the bible that born again christians may become reprobate by rejecting the Holy Spirit that is living inside them.

Hebrews 6:4-6, It is posible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

If a person falls away, there's no more sacrifice. Jesus offered himself up once to provide eternal redemption. However, if that one sacrifice is voided, there isn't any other. It can't be reapplied. You can't be born again, and again, and again. Jesus is not going to suffer through that shame and humiliation again, and again, and again.

Salvation is received and maintained by faith in Jesus Christ. "Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering" (Heb. 10:23). You can not sin your salvation away, but you can renounce it, or reject it. Rejecting your faith isn't easily done though, and it takes time because hearts take time to harden.

From everything I have seen you write, you believe that because of your many sins, and your living a life in the flesh means that you have rejected God too many times. The simple fact that you are in this forum talking about this with us is evidence that what you believe you did hasn't caused your heart to harden to the point of total rejection of him. I'm here to tell you that you haven't done that and it's not too late for you!

 

[nephilimiyr]

Let me explain:

This is the power of your sins

Now this is the power of G R A C E

LOL, yeah!

YouTube - Grace

What once was hurt
What once was friction
What left a mark
No longer stings
Because​

Grace makes beauty out of ugly things!​

 

[Arphaxad12]

Hi "Neph!"

Here's a litttle different "take" on Hebrews 6:
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Hbr 6:1-6 Therefore leaving the (first) principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection (maturity); not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.

4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away (from Grace into Lawkeeping), to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh (by saying that Christ's sacrifice was not sufficient without their added Lawkeeping efforts), and (thus) put [him] to an open shame. (underlines, parentheses and color are my own).
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What Heb 6 is saying is GROW UP into Christ, you can't save the saved! Stop dragging these wannabe "Lawkeepers" down to the altar ever week to get "resaved." They are ALREADY born again. Can a newborn baby be born two, three, four times or more?

These "babes in Christ" will just need better teaching to restore them to the knowledge that they are new creatures in Christ, having already received "God's washiing of regeneration," and also have been delivered forever from the spiritual lineage of the First Adam, into the spiritual lineage and nature of the Last Adam. And that God's work is FOREVER:
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Ecc 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth [it], that [men] should fear before him. (underlines and color are my own).
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Was Christ's agonizing horrific crucifixion on that bloody Roman cross not enough to completely destroy ALL sin? Ok, let's crucify Him again to get the job done right! Meantime, we'll just make up for all the sin Christ missed by adding our own feeble attempts to achieve God's righteousness!

Wouldn't this ignorant statement (just above) be "crucifying Christ afresh" and putting Him and His completed work to "an open shame?"

You can't be "born again," again, and again and again! God never needs to redo His miraculous work. He's not an amateur. He always does a perfect and everlasting job the FIRST time!

Best Blessings,
"Arph"
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