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[Nathan Poe]

So would you be causing pain and suffering, then, by your logic, by not believingin early church history, and the bible, and God? Ideas fight in the idea arena. Darwin's ideas took time to be accepted, no wars needed. Freedom is all about ideas.

One need only look at how much pain, suffering, and death was caused by the early Church.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Mao, marx, lenin, Stalin, yes. Believers, not. How many did the deciples kill? None. That's right. yet their ideas slew the Roman empire and impacted man ever since, and always will.

Hey dad, you wouldn't happen to be a pastor of a church anywhere in CA would you? I would attend your church just for the sheer entertainment value of our sermons.

Maybe you could start a youtube channel and put a few of your rants there?

Please consider.

 

[pgp_protector]

Hey dad, you wouldn't happen to be a pastor of a church anywhere in CA would you? I would attend your church just for the sheer entertainment value of our sermons.

Maybe you could start a youtube channel and put a few of your rants there?

Please consider.

But would he remove or even allow commits on youtube videos ?

 

[dad]

One need only look at how much pain, suffering, and death was caused by the early Church.

Multitudes were healed, and helped, zero killed by them. Not my idea of pain. I suppose the demomns that though Jesus tormented them might agree with you, though.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Multitudes were healed, and helped, zero killed by them. Not my idea of pain. I suppose the demomns that though Jesus tormented them might agree with you, though.

How about these demons?

 

[dad]

Hey dad, you wouldn't happen to be a pastor of a church anywhere in CA would you? I would attend your church just for the sheer entertainment value of our sermons.

Maybe you could start a youtube channel and put a few of your rants there?

Please consider.

Maybe after I get 30 or 40 speaking invitations, at maybe 3 grand a pop. Until then, which I suspect is never, guess you will have to be amused another way.

 

[dad]

How about these demons?

Yes religious devils always were a problem for believers, and others! But they pretended at least to honor God, and the apostles and holy men of God of the past.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Yes religious devils always were a problem for believers, and others! But they pretended at least to honor God, and the apostles and holy men of God of the past.

And were far more convincing than you were.

 

[dad]

And were far more convincing than you were.

If you mean the Inquisitors, yes. I clue in right away, when someone claims to be religious, and wants to imprison, shoot, bomb, or burn people. A dead give away.

I also clue in when someone tries to accuse the One that gave His life for all, and lived to heal, and serve and help, and raise from the dead, and save mankind. The early church preached the good news, and never killed anyone.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

If you mean the Inquisitors, yes. I clue in right away, when someone claims to be religious, and wants to imprison, shoot, bomb, or burn people. A dead give away.

I also clue in when someone tries to accuse the One that gave His life for all, and lived to heal, and serve and help, and raise from the dead, and save mankind. The early church preached the good news, and never killed anyone.

The early chuch was a bunch of miscreants and misfits, who, after thirty years realized that Jesus wasn't coming back anytime soon. So they had to rush and codify Jesus' teachings before they forgot them.

 

[Hespera]

The early chuch was a bunch of miscreants and misfits, who, after thirty years realized that Jesus wasn't coming back anytime soon. So they had to rush and codify Jesus' teachings before they forgot them.

So who can remember what was said 30 years ago?

 

[pgp_protector]

So who can remember what was said 30 years ago?

Depends.
Are we talking about a one time incident, or something that's been repeated time & time again.

 

[dad]

The early chuch was a bunch of miscreants and misfits, who, after thirty years realized that Jesus wasn't coming back anytime soon. So they had to rush and codify Jesus' teachings before they forgot them.

They did miracles, and spread the gospel, and impacted the planet big time. The sacred records needed to be kept, and not lost, so?

 

[Hespera]

Depends.
Are we talking about a one time incident, or something that's been repeated time & time again.

I dunno! You tell me how that applies. Was the sermon on the mount given over and over? the last supper? i really dont know is why im asking.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

They did miracles, and spread the gospel, and impacted the planet big time. The sacred records needed to be kept, and not lost, so?

Sacred records? Really? Luke and Matthew copied heavily from Mark and Q, John was recorded seperately. Um, depends on your definition of sacred I guess.

 

[Nathan Poe]

They did miracles, and spread the gospel, and impacted the planet big time.

I'm impressed, David -- you got two out of three right.

The sacred records needed to be kept, and not lost, so?

Sacred Records? What about the ones that were lost because fallible men decided they weren't sacred?

 

[BananaSlug]

That is easy. The merged state is simply where the spiritual is part of nature.

So was Jesus lying in Matthew 18:20?

Our nature is now physical only. The spiritual still exists, separately. When God moves directly here, He uses the spiritual added to our physical.

So we don't live in a physical only universe now. If God ever takes part in our affairs, it adds an element of spiritual to the physical. God is omnipresent, so the spiritual is always here. If our universe was physical only, then God would never take stock in anything. That fact that people still pray shows that the spiritual is still here.

Of course the gardemn was here...so? No idea what you are freaking out about now.

You said the Garden of Eden wasn't physical.

OK. Tell us about that in detail. Where is this constellation? What evidence is there of the dates on the document, or the eqinox? What proof is there that the eqinox was as claimed?

Does it really matter? Your dodwell's curve presumably used the same information from different historical sources and you don't question it. You wanted me to provide you with evidence and I did. So far you have shown zero evidence in support of your idea.

So we saw the far away stars that week. OK. So much for light speed we know being in effect at the time! The evidence mounts.

God could have simply created the light already in place. The speed could be the exact same speed as it is now. Of course, why would God create galaxies and stars over 6,000 light years away if the earth is only around 6,000 years old?

Not sure how you get that. If you look in the same chapter, God gives a 120 year time periiod till some big change. I think that was the split. That means that the ark only too 19 years or some such to build.

It depends on how you interpret it. Some people believe that Noah took 120 years to build the ark, others interpret it as God capping the maximum age of humans.

Where in the verse does it say that there were giants in the land after the 120 years, or after the flood? I don't see that at all.

4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4

The passage of the Nephilim comes after the passage limiting our days to "120 years". Genesis 6:4 implies that the Nephilim have inhabited the earth in at least two different time periods—in antediluvian times "and afterward." If the Nephilim were supernatural beings themselves, or at least the progeny of supernatural beings, it is possible that the "giants of Canaan" in Numbers 13:33 were the direct descendants of the antediluvian Nephilim, or were fathered by the same supernatural parents.

He was the head astronomer in Australia. He studied many old records of where the solstice was, and etc, and realized that there was an axis change. He pinpinted the year it happened based on his 66 points of reference. Now, a few we might question, as to how accurate they are, but there are too many to ignore. They all led to one year. It was something like 2345 BC! Just the time of the split!!!!!!!!! He thought it was the flood that did it, of course. Interesting stuff.

So you don't question the old records he studied yet you question the old record I presented. He used the same methods as the people who study the age of the Rig Veda. Nice double standard.

Only in same state based dream years. No relation to actual time. I prefer reality, and knowledge.

Perhaps provide some evidence then?

Nope. That little commandment you just made up! It is not assumed at all any more by some.

If the past can be understood by the present, it is good enough for me. Until we find evidence that cannot be explained by our "present state" then the "same state" works.

It is irrelevent whether you assume a same state past, or a tooth fairy past, neither are proven! Neither are known. In fact your same stae hoax goes against history!

In all honesty, I will admit there is no actual way to falsify your idea. Much like the same way I can't disprove the invisible pink unicorn or the flying spaghetti monster. All I have is the evidence that can easily be explained by the laws of physics that we know now. If the evidence of the past can be reliably explained and predicted by the science of today, that is enough evidence to show to me that this state always existed on earth. However, your ramblings do little to influence any lurker on this site. So far I have provided more than enough evidence to sway all but the most rabid fundamental YEC. You have done nothing but puff smoke; all you have provided is chaff to be blown away by the wind.

Creatures without bones? Wow, how stunning. Some got killed by the ash. So?? The 600,000 years you did not and cannot support. You just try to pass it off like a used car you are trying to get rid of.

I provided links to three different methods used to date volcanic ash. Those three methods correlate with great accuracy. I can't help you ignored them. Maybe the lurkers you keep telling to pay attention actually did pay attention.

If you want to claim that the glass does not used decay, and same state premises, go ahead. Try to make a case.

Sorry, I couldn't really understand what you were trying to say.

Finding stuff does not make it as old as you like. It just means stuff was found.

Unless several different dating methods show the same age.

We can get some idea of age, but decay methods are useless when we get somewhere around 2000 BC, depending on the method.

I guess correlating dendrochronology and C14 dating back to 12,000 years ago is all bunk too right?

If the scrolls are younger than that, it is not an issue. Science is OK, here in the present state. You just have never known when that started!

Presumably right before or after the flood. In earlier posts you claim the split happened in the days of Peleg. Now you claim it happened right before the flood.
What I don't get is you claim we cannot use present science to study the past before 2000BC. So if we find something and date it to 1999BC that is perfectly acceptable but it we date it to 2001BC all of a sudden we can't assume because the past was a different state? That makes about as much sense as a tuna going scuba diving.

 

[corvus_corax]

Do you all realize that you are debating someone who uses amateur-created geocities websites and crystalinks.com (a blatantly new age and pagan website, not to mention a conspiracy website) to back up his (supposedly) christian views?
I mean really, crystalinks? For a Christian? Really?

Do you realize that David (i.e. "dad") is the very same person who is BLAMING women for male homosexuality, simply because women don't spread their legs often enough from his pov? And that it is the woman's DUTY to "put out" as commanded (in his interpretation) by his personal god?


Seriously.....you guys are actually DEBATING this guy???

 

[gaara4158]

Do you all realize that you are debating someone who uses amateur-created geocities websites and crystalinks.com (a blatantly new age and pagan website, not to mention a conspiracy website) to back up his (supposedly) christian views?
I mean really, crystalinks? For a Christian? Really?

Do you realize that David (i.e. "dad") is the very same person who is BLAMING women for male homosexuality, simply because women don't spread their legs often enough from his pov? And that it is the woman's DUTY to "put out" as commanded (in his interpretation) by his personal god?


Seriously.....you guys are actually DEBATING this guy???

This guy is either a Poe or a loon. I don't really care which, I just steer clear.

 

[corvus_corax]

This guy is either a Poe or a loon. I don't really care which, I just steer clear.

I won't give my opinion regarding his posting purposes or state of mind, but I agree-
Steer clear.

Thankfully, I'm not the only one who thinks so
You just can't debate someone who uses a conspiracy website to back up his pov's and who is convinced that women are to directly blame for male homosexuality.

Can't be done, at least not without the feeling of slamming one's head directly and purposefully into a brick wall.