Have any of the creationists here done the following?

[rosenherman]

You'll get that a lot here.

Wait until you have several thousand posts, then someone shows up out of the blue acting like they know everything you've ever said.

Or someone with less posts than their IQ says something like, "But you said [insert the opposite of what you said here]"?

It's even better when they decide what it is you think without even asking let alone hearing from you.

 

[rosenherman]

Indeed, as I have said before -- ignorance and pride is a combination which never ends well.

Don't worry about it, you're young, you've got plenty of time to change.

 

[loveiseverywhere]

The other questions are no and the last one I don't even know who Kent whoever is nor do I care. It has taken books and books and books and opinions and opinions and arguments and counter arguments for you to get to evolution?...Wow

I got one book on earth's and man's origin and it has the whole truth.

Ever heard of "one can work hard, or one can work smart?"

 

[gaara4158]

Gaara, I refuse to address the point that it's "my interpretation".

How I interpret the Bible is well-known, and is called the Grammatical-Historical Method.

Saying, "Well, that's your interpretation," is just another way of saying you think I'm wrong.

I'm not alone in "my interpretations".

Besides, whose interpretation do you want me to use?

It doesn't matter which interpretation you use; you use that interpretation based on your own beliefs. You are confusing your interpretation of the Bible with the word of God. The fact that the Bible might not say what you think it does is enough to PWN the Bible as a credible source against evolution.

 

[loveiseverywhere]

How's come Gaara got what I was saying [I think], and you didn't?

I haven't read the Necronomicon, yet I believe it is evil.

I haven't read about evolution, yet I believe it is wrong.

The Necronomicon is not SCIENCE therefore your analogy is flawed.

Evolution is not tantamount to conjuring evil spirits. What part of that don't YOU get?

 

[AV1611VET]

But what if the person in question admits that over several thousand posts, they've actually said very little?

I'm talking about someone whose JOIN DATE is < month.

Besides --- take yourself as an example.

You have over 22,000 posts, but you have been here 5 years.

For someone to have read every post you've made --- even though some are repetition --- would be ... obsessive?

ETA: Ah --- I get what you said now.

Sorry, I'm a little slow today.

 

[Hespera]

It's even better when they decide what it is you think without even asking let alone hearing from you.[/quote

This goes more than one way. AV is noted for sayings like "you guys hate me not for who I am but for what I am". Now, tis true that at my urging, he finally quit saying that, but look what goes into it..


Like deciding what other people feel, and why they feel it, despite no actual way of knowing it, and despite the fact that it wasnt even true.

 

[loveiseverywhere]

Post count does not equal a formal education at a University and to claim that you know more than someone because of a high post count is...well....foolish.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Necronomicon is not SCIENCE therefore your analogy is flawed.

Evolution is not tantamount to conjuring evil spirits. What part of that don't YOU get?

Which book in this pile of today's-science-tomorrow do you want me to read, then?

 

[Hespera]

Post count does not equal a formal education at a University.

I may be wrong, its just an idea that I have.... but i think that the basic theocreo way of thinking goes something like this:

It does snot matter a bit how many how good or how convincing the arguments, data, anything brought out be science in support of evolution, for a simple reason: the bible is Right and so they are Right.

My analogy would be a parent with a surveillance video catches the kid with his hand in the cookie jar, so to speak.

When confronted with did you do it? he might provide any number of plausible explanations but the video trumps them all. Parent can listen with amused patience while the most wonderfully complex and convincing story is told... stuff they might well believe if they didnt have the Proof.

But at the end you can just say "here is the video". "goddidit" is the same way.


Part of the appeal is that it requires no effort, no knowledge, no brains or skill. Just say "goddidit", and win. In their own minds.

 

[loveiseverywhere]

Which book in this pile of today's-science-tomorrow do you want me to read, then?

​

I have one word: Leviticus.

I know, science is stupid. Get off your computer. It uses scientific technology.

 

[AV1611VET]

Excellent analogy, Hespera, until you get to this part:

Part of the appeal is that it requires no effort, no knowledge, no brains or skill. Just say "goddidit", and win. In their own minds.

You think this is easy? A piece of cake? A walk in the park?

 

[jpcedotal]

Going back to whether or not scientific theories can be proven is kind of like going back to grade school, ok? Please?

Its like this. you get data together, then look for a way to explain it.
That is common enough in daily life. Science proceeds by developing theories and then trying to falsify them. If you cant falisfy it, well, its a pretty good theory. In many years and many tries, nobody has had any luck at all trying to disprove evoluution. It should be easy, if it is false, there should be mountains of proof.


Disproving god is quite different. So is proving god. There is no way to apply any data to it.

When you talk about how its impossible to prove evolution you are really just showing that you dont know enough about science to make a meaningful comment.

lol...thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Naraoia]

In fact, if evolution was proven as you say then there would only be Creationist who disagreed, but that isn't the only two theories.

What are the others?

The Bible is constant, science is not.

Constancy is not necessarily a good thing.

Recently I heard that some bacteria was found alive in a liquid bubble sealed in a Mesozoic salt dome. That is great. My question is then: Do we find that particular type of bacteria less evolved than the current version?

I bet the answer is not. That fits my OP on that thread: Bacteria do not evolve. (should that one be revived?)

Yes, the answer is not, because "evolved" is an utterly meaningless term in this context.

This is precisely my point. You don't understand evolution.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Excellent analogy, Hespera, until you get to this part:You think this is easy? A piece of cake? A walk in the park?

The "I know you are but what am I" approach is, well, easy and a piece of cake. Actually reading and becoming somewhat educated on ToE so as to have intelligent discourse with internets buddies, not so much.

 

[jpcedotal]

I may be wrong, its just an idea that I have.... but i think that the basic theocreo way of thinking goes something like this:

It does snot matter a bit how many how good or how convincing the arguments, data, anything brought out be science in support of evolution, for a simple reason: the bible is Right and so they are Right.

My analogy would be a parent with a surveillance video catches the kid with his hand in the cookie jar, so to speak.

When confronted with did you do it? he might provide any number of plausible explanations but the video trumps them all. Parent can listen with amused patience while the most wonderfully complex and convincing story is told... stuff they might well believe if they didnt have the Proof.

But at the end you can just say "here is the video". "goddidit" is the same way.


Part of the appeal is that it requires no effort, no knowledge, no brains or skill. Just say "goddidit", and win. In their own minds.

Ok, I will bite. Show me the proof and I am not gonna read 25 books....give me the "Evolution is for Dummies" stream-lined edition.

 

[loveiseverywhere]

Excellent analogy, Hespera, until you get to this part:You think this is easy? A piece of cake? A walk in the park?

Of course it isn't easy. Trying to cover up lie after lie after misinformation after misinformation has got to be extremely tedious.

 

[loveiseverywhere]

What are the others?

Constancy is not necessarily a good thing.

Yes, the answer is not, because "evolved" is an utterly meaningless term in this context.

This is precisely my point. You don't understand evolution.

It's painfully obvious he doesn't understand evolution.

What's really odd is that he claims to be a Geologist.

 

[loveiseverywhere]

Ok, I will bite. Show me the proof and I am not gonna read 25 books....give me the "Evolution is for Dummies" stream-lined edition.

So, basically you're just too lazy to read a book?

 

[AV1611VET]

I have one word: Leviticus.

I know, science is stupid. Get off your computer. It uses scientific technology.

Not on your life.

If you're a scientist, then get out there and sci.

Make our lives longer, our creature comforts more comfy, our teeth whiter, our computers run faster; whatever it is you guys do, and do so well, please do it.

Remember: scientists are a gift from God --- so act like it.

Me? I don't have that particular gift, so I can just drive my taxi, or transport my petroleum, or teach my math, or scratch my itching back with a wooden hand, or whatever.

Get the pic?