They've found the "missing link"! Yeah, right!

[JudgeEden]

Ah yes. "Of course they'd agree with me!" Please.



Excuse me? You can tell this how? Watch your manners - I'm not telling you what to think, don't you DARE do the same with me.



No, YOU came here acting the arrogant one, YOU can justify why we have to believe your interpretation or else we don't match your standards of Christianity.

"Lean not on your own understanding" - no, I should just lean on the understanding of all you kind and charitable human and flawed creationists, shouldn't I?



Incorrect. Evolution, taxonomy and modern geology were all founded by Christians.



Ah. So you'd rather feel like you're in the right than help out someone who's struggling. Very telling indeed.

Of course the disciples would agree, why would they not? And by your implied statement, are you saying they would agree with you? Aren't you implying the same thing I did? Which makes you no better to be sure.

When I said you wouldn't listen to the disciples, I assume that based on how you respond to those trying to correct. "Obviously the disciples had no "REAL" science back then, so they were somewhat stupid" That has been the general attitude of those in this topic. That God had to "baby talk" them about the creation. What an insult. I'm not implying you said those things, or think that way, but as I said, that is the general attitude.

I didn't come here acting arrogant, I am not arrogant. You are only saying I am because I dont hold back, I dont cower away, and I rarely apologize.

Are you so naive as to think that evolution was founded by Christians? What, Darwin believed in the Biblical God? I think not. At the very least, you have no proof to prove such a statement. Not to mention the fact that evolution has ruined the faith of many once they learned a lot about it. But some have managed to create a strange doctrine with evolution and the Bible coinciding.

When have I said I dont like to help others? If I didn't I wouldn't be here. I have also taught people in my life various things.

 

[Cabal]

Of course the disciples would agree, why would they not? And by your implied statement, are you saying they would agree with you? Aren't you implying the same thing I did? Which makes you no better to be sure.

No, I was not. I don't necessarily which side they would take - I wouldn't presume to claim one way or another. I think people putting words in their mouth may be a bad idea.

When I said you wouldn't listen to the disciples, I assume that based on how you respond to those trying to correct. "Obviously the disciples had no "REAL" science back then, so they were somewhat stupid" That has been the general attitude of those in this topic. That God had to "baby talk" them about the creation. What an insult. I'm not implying you said those things, or think that way, but as I said, that is the general attitude.

Why is it an insult? It's not like they had long protracted discussions about creation (or if they did, they weren't important enough to be recorded in the gospel) - are you saying e.g. they didn't believe the sun went around the earth etc as was typical for those days? I believe they would have only known that if Jesus told them - and what would be the point of that? He came to institute a church, not give a science lecture.

Noone is calling them stupid, they just probably would have known about as much as anyone else would back then. That doesn't make them stupid.

I didn't come here acting arrogant, I am not arrogant. You are only saying I am because I dont hold back, I dont cower away, and I rarely apologize.

Even when you're incorrect and being unhelpful? Sounds like the definition of arrogance to me.

Are you so naive as to think that evolution was founded by Christians? What, Darwin believed in the Biblical God? I think not. At the very least, you have no proof to prove such a statement.

I was under the impression that he was, but seeing as throwing the "True Christian (tm)" canard around seems to be a hobby of yours, I don't think I'm going to bother following this line of conversation.

Not to mention the fact that evolution has ruined the faith of many once they learned a lot about it. But some have managed to create a strange doctrine with evolution and the Bible coinciding.

Because there's no reason why they can't? And I can safely say the thing that has done most to weaken my faith since accepting evolution hasn't been evolution, it's been other Christians denouncing me left right and centre. Again, Jesus doesn't mention anything regarding one's creation belief in respect to salvation, but you'd wonder with some people.....

When have I said I dont like to help others? If I didn't I wouldn't be here. I have also taught people in my life various things.

Because rather than reconsider that your behaviour might add to people's struggles rather than helping them, you'd just rather make comments about how much "better" your faith is.

 

[revanneosl]

I’m not an expert.. it’s information I have been getting from a particular source at the moment.. Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D (doctorate in General Relativity).. it’s to do with the dissipation of light energy as it travels through the ether.

Mr. Sungennis has a B.A. in Religion and an M.A. in Theology. He has no degrees in any branch of the sciences, and he has no advanced degrees in any field.

 

[Criada]

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."(John 13:34-35)

If Christians were to stop bickering and treat one another as Jesus told us to, it would be so much more of a witness that any amount of 'scientific proof' that the Bible is true.
It's how it works that matters

 

[longhair75]

Friend hiscosmicgoldfish,

I’m not an expert.. it’s information I have been getting from a particular source at the moment.. Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D (doctorate in General Relativity).. it’s to do with the dissipation of light energy as it travels through the ether.
Noah’s Ark is on a hill in Turkey, and it’s been up there since the 1970’s..

I was unaware that General Relativity was a subject in which one could get a PhD, but I believe that your information is incorrect. from this site:
Catholic Apologetics International

The Biography gives Dr. Sungenis's educational credentials as follows:

Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D. is the founder of Catholic Apologetics International

Publishing, Inc., a non-profit 501-c3 corporation. He holds advanced degrees

in Theology and Religious Studies from George Washington University,

Westminster Theological Seminary, and Calamus International University.

I would assume that this information is correct. This is straight from his own web site.

 

[ebia]

Noah’s Ark is on a hill in Turkey, and it’s been up there since the 1970’s..

I've heard of Last-Thursday-ism before, but never 1970s-ism.

 

[herev]

word on the street is that hiscosmicgoldfish is yanking our collective chain

 

[rcorlew]

that's priceless--thanks

You mean you have never heard that before, I mean you have claimed to Pastor a church right?

How else would the account of Genesis 1:11-13 work then?

 

[herev]

You mean you have never heard that before, I mean you have claimed to Pastor a church right?

yes, born and raised in the church--probably spent more time at church than my own home. Spent most of my adult life teaching Bible studies of one sort or another to one age level or another, then educated at fully accredited seminary, graduated top of my class--M.Div., been pastoring, preaching, continuing to teach for 10 years now--but no, never heard that one.

How else would the account of Genesis 1:11-13 work then?

well, if it's not meant to be taken literally...

 

[rcorlew]

yes, born and raised in the church--probably spent more time at church than my own home. Spent most of my adult life teaching Bible studies of one sort or another to one age level or another, then educated at fully accredited seminary, graduated top of my class--M.Div., been pastoring, preaching, continuing to teach for 10 years now--but no, never heard that one.

well, if it's not meant to be taken literally...

What evidence do you have that it is not supposed to be taken literally?

Jesus and Paul both quoted from Genesis chapter 1 to reinforce their points.

 

[herev]

What evidence do you have that it is not supposed to be taken literally?

hmm, let's see, writing styles, historical and source analysis, but MOSTLY because it doesn't line up with Creation--God's other little bit of writing

Jesus and Paul both quoted from Genesis chapter 1 to reinforce their points.

yes, they did. I quoted from Dick and Jane the other day in a sermon--doesn't mean I thought it was factual--nor did the congregation.

 

[herev]

What evidence do you have that it is not supposed to be taken literally?

Jesus and Paul both quoted from Genesis chapter 1 to reinforce their points.

oh and another good reason--very important is the difference between the two creation accounts--they both can't be factual

 

[rcorlew]

Two creation accounts????

Are you referring to chapter 1 -vs- chapter 2?

 

[pgp_protector]

What evidence do you have that it is not supposed to be taken literally?

Jesus and Paul both quoted from Genesis chapter 1 to reinforce their points.

All of creation.

 

[herev]

Two creation accounts????

Are you referring to chapter 1 -vs- chapter 2?

yes, and I bet you're not as surprised as you seem to indicate

 

[LightHorseman]

What evidence do you have that it is not supposed to be taken literally?

The multi-BILLION data points of geology, paleontology, biology, molecular biology, evolutionary biology, history, archaeology, astronomy, physics and genetics is evidence that its not supposed to be taken literally.

Jesus and Paul both quoted from Genesis chapter 1 to reinforce their points.

Jesus and Paul are both known to have utilised allegories and parables. Jesus quoting Genesis to re-inforce a point doesn't make Genesis true, any more than me quoting the Simpsons to reinforce a point makes the Simpsons true.

 

[rcorlew]

You're right I have heard mention of this 2 account theory but fail to see it myself.

What is one of the most prominent proofs of an old earth?

 

[rcorlew]

The multi-BILLION data points of geology, paleontology, biology, molecular biology, evolutionary biology, history, archaeology, astronomy, physics and genetics is evidence that its not supposed to be taken literally.


Jesus and Paul are both known to have utilised allegories and parables. Jesus quoting Genesis to re-inforce a point doesn't make Genesis true, any more than me quoting the Simpsons to reinforce a point makes the Simpsons true.

So then are you are you using the world to disprove the Bible?

 

[pgp_protector]

So then are you are you using the world to disprove the Bible?

Which one Did God personally create without any interference or interpretation from Man ?

 

[herev]

You're right I have heard mention of this 2 account theory but fail to see it myself.

What is one of the most prominent proofs of an old earth?

scientifically, I don't know where to begin. Since there are none that suggest a young earth--ALL OF THEM?
see Lighthorseman's answer