Somebody has got to do something!

[HisdaughterJen]

The whole "Obama's not qualified to be President" meme is just nuts.

Then Obama should just release his long form birth certificate and it would all go away. Instead, he's got TEAMS of attorneys keeping his records hidden.

BTW, Joe Farah, who owns World Net Daily, is an Arab.

Arab does not equal muslim.

 

[BernieEOD]

Then Obama should just release his long form birth certificate and it would all go away. Instead, he's got TEAMS of attorneys keeping his records hidden.





Arab does not equal muslim.

You want to get Obama out of office and replace him with another evil invader who would resume the Bush Gospel of bombs & Bullets against "Those evil Muslims" As our own opostate churches continue to practice fornication, abortion, adultery, and all the other vices of this world.
You have no alternative to offer.
He passed the rquirement of Native born before he ever applied to run for the office.

 

[LightHorseman]

Then Obama should just release his long form birth certificate and it would all go away. Instead, he's got TEAMS of attorneys keeping his records hidden.





Arab does not equal muslim.

Um... I'm pretty sure that he HAS released his birth certificate... which was instantly dismissed as a fake or forgery by those who dearly wish it to be so

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

I know that Obama is just a puppet for his political handlers, but i wonder why people on the forum dont like him so much? (he's the Antichrist and all that etc.) Is it an instinctive reaction to him or what? as he hasn't actually done anything bad.. yet.. although i've heard that if you just change everything he says to the opposite, that's what he really means.. so 'i'm going to take the troops out of Iraq' means.. 'i'm not going to take the troops out of Iraq' .. 'i'll fix the economy' = 'i'll make it worse''.. etc.

 

[Nadiine]

You want to get Obama out of office and replace him with another evil invader who would resume the Bush Gospel of bombs & Bullets against "Those evil Muslims"

no just certain "muslims" who open fire at our military planes and don't abide by laws we have
in place w/ them.
Ask the hundreds of thousands of people who are liberated today how unhappy they are
that Sadaam & his sadistic sons are gone
You can thank a liberal media for not reporting on all the good going on in that country.

the only ones I've heard who remotely bring ANY good news is Fox

 

[LightHorseman]

who open fire at our military planes and don't abide by laws we have
in place w/ them.

???

Is this a particularly laboured reference to the "no fly zone"?

 

[Nadiine]

This is a tired argument that I don't intend to continue in,
the facts are the facts on what Iraq had done and instead
of realizing there was alot of intel. that wasn't accurate and
a decision by BOTH parties was made to go to war over that,
then we should stop with the personal attacks on Bush
for it -
we already went in, I think it's pointless to keep up with the
rhetoric about what happened yrs ago & we cannot change it
now.

There are plenty of valid things to rant against Bush about,
this one is pretty pointless bashing.

 

[Polycarp1]

This is a tired argument that I don't intend to continue in,
the facts are the facts on what Iraq had done and instead
of realizing there was alot of intel. that wasn't accurate and
a decision by BOTH parties was made to go to war over that,
then we should stop with the personal attacks on Bush
for it -
we already went in, I think it's pointless to keep up with the
rhetoric about what happened yrs ago & we cannot change it
now.

There are plenty of valid things to rant against Bush about,
this one is pretty pointless bashing.

For what it's worth, Nadiine, I more or less agree with you here. IF -- and it's a big 'if" -- it comes to light that Pres. Bush falsified information to pursue a war he wanted to get us into (for whatever reason) -- then he deserves castigation. As it was, he was served up faulty intelligence, eagerly seized on it as justification for that war, and it's quite possible that the intelligence analysts, knowing which side their bread was buttered on, gave him what it was obvious he wanted. Point more fingers at them than at Mr. Bush.

I speak from a sort of firsthand experience here -- I attended a party in an outlying D.C. exurb in 2003 at which a senior Air Force NCO coming off a tour of duty with the NSA assured myself and a few others listening to him that there was very clear evidence that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was tied to Al Qaeda (despite their public stances of mutual abhorrence) -- though he was unable to say publicly what that evidence was. This was pre-Gulf War II and I remember it vividly. So I'm certain that Mr. Bush was misled -- perhaps willingly so -- by his advisors.

 

[Nadiine]

For what it's worth, Nadiine, I more or less agree with you here. IF -- and it's a big 'if" -- it comes to light that Pres. Bush falsified information to pursue a war he wanted to get us into (for whatever reason) -- then he deserves castigation. As it was, he was served up faulty intelligence, eagerly seized on it as justification for that war, and it's quite possible that the intelligence analysts, knowing which side their bread was buttered on, gave him what it was obvious he wanted. Point more fingers at them than at Mr. Bush.

I speak from a sort of firsthand experience here -- I attended a party in an outlying D.C. exurb in 2003 at which a senior Air Force NCO coming off a tour of duty with the NSA assured myself and a few others listening to him that there was very clear evidence that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was tied to Al Qaeda (despite their public stances of mutual abhorrence) -- though he was unable to say publicly what that evidence was. This was pre-Gulf War II and I remember it vividly. So I'm certain that Mr. Bush was misled -- perhaps willingly so -- by his advisors.

To this day, I personally believe there WERE weapons OMD in Iraq.
(partially assembled or being made)...
I think they were shipped to Syria or removed. They had ample time
to ditch the evidence when they knew we would be going to war w/
them.

It worries me the level of bad intel. we had - and it came from other
countries too.

Aside from all that, on an ethical basis, Sadaam should have been
taken down internationally for his crimes against humanity - not just the genocide he was responsible for but also the tortures and murders in his own country by him and his sons.
Any people are better off without that brutal monster dictating over them.

ALL freedom comes at a cost. We sit here in America pointing fingers
of blame at the cost of freedom for others, yet don't bat an eye when
triple that amount have died to provide our freedom we enjoy today.
It's easy to sit in a free country and refuse it to others.

It's a sad fact of life in this world - the only time it will end is when
Christ comes back and puts a stop to it all.

But thanks for that post, I do agree.

 

[BernieEOD]

no just certain "muslims" who open fire at our military planes and don't abide by laws we have
in place w/ them.
Ask the hundreds of thousands of people who are liberated today how unhappy they are
that Sadaam & his sadistic sons are gone
You can thank a liberal media for not reporting on all the good going on in that country.

the only ones I've heard who remotely bring ANY good news is Fox

They are so happy we need 150,000 troops to put a gun to thier head and explain it to them. We have people throwing shoes at your evil invader president to show how grateful they are. We liberated them into nothing but our own lawlessness. There is nothing good about evil invasions. All that "Liberation talk is the same propaganda the Communists spwed when they were the evil invaders. All we have to off is our drugs, gangs teen sex, homosexual rights, and othr acts of godlessness. It is your evil invasion lolicies that got your evil invader party voted out of office.

 

[BernieEOD]

To this day, I personally believe there WERE weapons OMD in Iraq.
(partially assembled or being made)...
I think they were shipped to Syria or removed. They had ample time
to ditch the evidence when they knew we would be going to war w/
them.

It worries me the level of bad intel. we had - and it came from other
countries too.

Aside from all that, on an ethical basis, Sadaam should have been
taken down internationally for his crimes against humanity - not just the genocide he was responsible for but also the tortures and murders in his own country by him and his sons.
Any people are better off without that brutal monster dictating over them.

ALL freedom comes at a cost. We sit here in America pointing fingers
of blame at the cost of freedom for others, yet don't bat an eye when
triple that amount have died to provide our freedom we enjoy today.
It's easy to sit in a free country and refuse it to others.

It's a sad fact of life in this world - the only time it will end is when
Christ comes back and puts a stop to it all.

But thanks for that post, I do agree.

Another lie from the false porhets of the neocon right. There is no nation which can take away our freedom. Nobody, not even China is able to occupy even one statre let alone all 50 so youe spin that our evil invasions are protecting our freedom is a bold faced lie. Our own gangs, drugs, sexual immorality, and abortion clinics arew a greater threat to us than any of your "Evil Muslims" Invading other nation to impose our godless immorlaity which we call freedom is the ultimate false teaching of this opostate false prophet neocon right version of the Church.
As Peter warned : "They promise feedom while they themselves are slaves of depravity" That fits you and your false teachers of the right to a T

 

[Nadiine]

Another lie from the false porhets of the neocon right. There is no nation which can take away our freedom. Nobody, not even China is able to occupy even one statre let alone all 50 so youe spin that our evil invasions are protecting our freedom is a bold faced lie. Our own gangs, drugs, sexual immorality, and abortion clinics arew a greater threat to us than any of your "Evil Muslims" Invading other nation to impose our godless immorlaity which we call freedom is the ultimate false teaching of this opostate false prophet neocon right version of the Church.
As Peter warned : "They promise feedom while they themselves are slaves of depravity" That fits you and your false teachers of the right to a T

you keep telling yourself that Bernie.

Actually you've used Peter's verse completely out of its context
to fit your personal rant.

& until people REPENT, you won't change anything in America.
Also, it's prophecied in the end times that many fall away from
the faith - we've been seeing this occur for some 10 yrs now
and it's escalating.

Biblically, evil gets WORSE - you can't keep blaming the church
for the lost. The world doesn't even want to HEAR truth today.
Just preach sound doctrine and watch them attack.

The ears are closed in this nation unless God can personally reach
hardened hearts, this is not the church's fault, it's the natural
progression of a majority continuing in sin - and sin begets more
sin and compounds.
It's coming to its natural fruition.

 

[Hockey_Fan]

Speaking of Iraq and U.S. policy, heard a fascinating scenario at church recently that I had not heard before, but makes a lot of sense:

In 1971, US president Richard Nixon took America off the gold standard for currency. In an effort to stabilize the dollar and prevent massive inflation, a US diplomat named George Herbert Walker Bush went to Saudi Arabia and made a deal with the royal Saudi family. The US would provide military protection for the royal family from a potential coup and in return the Saudis would agree to only accept us dollars for the purchase of oil. This made the US dollar the de facto world-wide currency.

In 1990, Saddam Husein invaded kuwait, which led to the Gulf War. The US and its allies defeated Saddam and would have killed him. But Saddam promised that if he was allowed to stay in power in Iraq, Iraq would only accepte US dollars for the purchase of its oil. So the Americans didn't kill Saddam and he remained president of Iraq.

A few years later, Saddam reneged on his promises and began accepting the Euro and other currencies in oil purchases. That decision was what sparked GWB to go to war and eventually capture and kill Saddam.

Now Iran (the third leading oil producing nation) is talking about accepting other currencies for the purchase of oil. So the US responds by talking about a war with Iran. The whole issue of nuclear weapons is just a smoke-screen. The US really fears the devaluation of the dollar and is now pushing for a world-wide currency before the dollar starts a free-fall.

Make of that what you will. I found it very interesting and quite plausible.

 

[BernieEOD]

you keep telling yourself that Bernie.

Actually you've used Peter's verse completely out of its context
to fit your personal rant.

& until people REPENT, you won't change anything in America.
Also, it's prophecied in the end times that many fall away from
the faith - we've been seeing this occur for some 10 yrs now
and it's escalating.

Biblically, evil gets WORSE - you can't keep blaming the church
for the lost. The world doesn't even want to HEAR truth today.
Just preach sound doctrine and watch them attack.

The ears are closed in this nation unless God can personally reach
hardened hearts, this is not the church's fault, it's the natural
progression of a majority continuing in sin - and sin begets more
sin and compounds.
It's coming to its natural fruition.

Which by your own admission America is in no position toi liberate anybody.With your own words, you admit that we, who are in the same state of evil as the rest of the world cannot and should not send fourth our Armies to liberate the world becasue we are in the same state of depravity.

Yes, I do balme the Churches in America. It is the false prophets of the neocon right who proclaim that we are a great Christian nation with a mandate from Christ to send fourth our military to liber ate the word.
All the while, the sins of this world are just as rampant among those within our Chruches as they are among thos who are in open rebellion against God. Since the Church cannot even fix things within the nation, it has no business calling upon the Army to go fourth and liberate the world into its own failures.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Then Obama should just release his long form birth certificate and it would all go away. Instead, he's got TEAMS of attorneys keeping his records hidden.

Anybody can get it at the health department in Honolulu. the "lawsuits" are as phoney as a $3 bill. They are nothing but cynical attempts to manipulate the gullible.

Abraham Lincoln said "You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time". Clearly the extremists behind the "Obama's not eligible to be President" movement are aiming for the second group. And why not? It's all they have left.

Arab does not equal muslim.

No? Neither does "Democrat" equal someone unqualified to be President. the whole ridiculous thing is just a cynical attempt to overturn the election just like Clinton's impeachment was. The problem is, the people have moved beyond your side's foolish arguments and are no longer manipulable by the previous means. That doesn't stop the puppet masters from trying though. McCain lost. Get over it.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Speaking of prophesy and geopolitical affairs I wonder which nation of today some think most closely resembles the "beast" of Revelation.

 

[Polycarp1]

Anybody can get it at the health department in Honolulu. the "lawsuits" are as phoney as a $3 bill. They are nothing but cynical attempts to manipulate the gullible.

Actually, Lynn, while I believe your second two sentences are quite accurate, the first is not valid. Only the birth registrant, his immediate family, or someone requiring it in pursuit of a bona fide legal duty, may obtain a copy of the so-called 'vault' birth certificate -- the document made out by the 'reporter' -- doctor, clerk registering an unattended birth, etc. -- which is on file there. But anyone can obtain a copy of the form they provide to anyone as proof that such a form is on file, and hence that the person named on the form was born in that state. It's called a "Certificate of Live Birth" or informally a birth certificate. Here is a copy of Pres. Obama's certificate. Here is the summary of the investigation made by the Snopes people, who have been debunking such false claims for over a decade.Summary: you have to have an excellent reason for the Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics to release to you a copy of the record of delivery for Pres. Obama that is on file there. He was, however, born there, and they will certify that to anyone who asks -- by providing a copy of his birth certificate, as linked to above. "Excellent reason" does not mean being a professional litigant and conspiracy theorist, or a paid operative of the Republican Party trying to defame the President.

No? Neither does "Democrat" equal someone unqualified to be President. the whole ridiculous thing is just a cynical attempt to overturn the election just like Clinton's impeachment was. The problem is, the people have moved beyond your side's foolish arguments and are no longer manipulable by the previous means. That doesn't stop the puppet masters from trying though. McCain lost. Get over it.

Very true. The only two impeachments ever passed by the House of Representatives have been instigated by Republicans attempting to remove a Democratic President for relatively flimsy reasons having little or nothing to do with his duties as President. The one which had some valid grounds, Nixon's, was obviated before the measure was voted on by the full Huse by his resignation. There were, to be frank, far better grounds to impeach George W. Bush than either Andrew Johnson or William J. Clinton -- but saner heads prevailed, and held the threat of impeachment as a 'nuclear option' -- to be used when the official is actively subverting the constitutional norms, not just because he's undertaken policies people don't like, or committed minor technically criminal acts which furnish a pretext. (See above: if Mr. Bush had in fact falsified evidence to put us into a state of war, or if the claims about Guantanamo were proven out to have violated constitutional guarantees, then one might make a case for Mr. Bush's impeachment. But I've stood against that because of the terrible precedent it sets.)

 

[Texas Lynn]

Actually, Lynn, while I believe your second two sentences are quite accurate, the first is not valid. Only the birth registrant, his immediate family, or someone requiring it in pursuit of a bona fide legal duty, may obtain a copy of the so-called 'vault' birth certificate -- the document made out by the 'reporter' -- doctor, clerk registering an unattended birth, etc. -- which is on file there. But anyone can obtain a copy of the form they provide to anyone as proof that such a form is on file, and hence that the person named on the form was born in that state. It's called a "Certificate of Live Birth" or informally a birth certificate. Here is a copy of Pres. Obama's certificate. Here is the summary of the investigation made by the Snopes people, who have been debunking such false claims for over a decade.Summary: you have to have an excellent reason for the Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics to release to you a copy of the record of delivery for Pres. Obama that is on file there. He was, however, born there, and they will certify that to anyone who asks -- by providing a copy of his birth certificate, as linked to above. "Excellent reason" does not mean being a professional litigant and conspiracy theorist, or a paid operative of the Republican Party trying to defame the President.



Very true. The only two impeachments ever passed by the House of Representatives have been instigated by Republicans attempting to remove a Democratic President for relatively flimsy reasons having little or nothing to do with his duties as President. The one which had some valid grounds, Nixon's, was obviated before the measure was voted on by the full Huse by his resignation. There were, to be frank, far better grounds to impeach George W. Bush than either Andrew Johnson or William J. Clinton -- but saner heads prevailed, and held the threat of impeachment as a 'nuclear option' -- to be used when the official is actively subverting the constitutional norms, not just because he's undertaken policies people don't like, or committed minor technically criminal acts which furnish a pretext. (See above: if Mr. Bush had in fact falsified evidence to put us into a state of war, or if the claims about Guantanamo were proven out to have violated constitutional guarantees, then one might make a case for Mr. Bush's impeachment. But I've stood against that because of the terrible precedent it sets.)

Agreed. The difficulty in obtaining birth certificates is due to official efforts to keep them from being used foa assumed identities. In the old trick, a person finds a deceased person of the same race and gender and approximate age and obtains that birth certificate and assumes that identity.

As to impeachments you are on the money. Actually the most impeachment worthy President was Ronald Reagan due to Iran-Contra, though Reagan's role was more one of nonfeasance rather than malfeasance. However, it appears by actions of the Clinton and Obama administrations the Democrats are giving Reagan and Daddy Bush free passes on Iran-Contra in part due to their own involvement. I believe it was Robert Gates, now Defense Secretary, who was involved in either that or the "October Surprise" scandal and claimed to have been at the beach with his kids on the day of a fateful meeting and produced a picture as evidence; however in the picture the sky was cloudy and weather records at that beach showed it was a clear day.

 

[Hockey_Fan]

All politicians are corrupt. That's the bottom line. That's why Jesus did not want to become king, because politics would have distracted him from his mission, which was spreading the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Nadiine]

All politicians are corrupt. That's the bottom line. That's why Jesus did not want to become king, because politics would have distracted him from his mission, which was spreading the kingdom of heaven.

Maybe not ALL, but I'd say the mass majority -
and if this is true, why argue against what we're so fumed about w/
Obama & his admin. when he's exuding SO much control and force
(and misguided judgment) in his policies?

If they're ALL corrupt why stick up for him at all?

Changing things that will harm & affect the entire population and
likely hurl us into hyper inflation as the printed $$ finally catches
up with us.

The housing industry's failures and frauds finally caught up with us
(came to roost) and look how it crippled the economy - you
dont think this mass overspending with money we don't even have
to give isn't going to come to roost in the next year or 2?
The dollar is shrinking/devaluing every time they print more
and throw it into NON STIMULATING sources - dead sources
that don't produce growth. (and republicans are just as dirty in
the Pork spending).

States like Calif. take all that govt. $$, then raise taxes anyways -
then Californians (like others) will not only be paying the higher
the STATE taxes they raise, but the FED. taxes that will get
hiked after 2010.
And don't forget with all the credit card debt, the credit card
companies/banks are now raising all their rates!

Talk about overtaxing people to death!
Now do you see why people are so furious?

And this is NOT just republicans. The liberal media is trying to
play it out that way, but the tea party in Sacramento hailed
MANY libertarians, independants & democrats who are fed up
with overtaxing.

PLUS, we can pay for all the illegal aliens who come here...
and everyone elses health care........

anyone see the writing on the walls?