I have to be shown the "pro-gay" hotel denies service based on sexual orientation. You continually fail to show this.
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I have to be shown the "pro-gay" hotel denies service based on sexual orientation. You continually fail to show this.
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brightmorningstar
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Now I have also been watching a program on BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00gtkyq
The three princes searching for well not so much 'love' but partners.
Very revealing.
So far in bars, restaurants, parties, workplaces two of them have not really found anyone who wants to committ further. And there has been not been even any kissing that I have seen. Contrast that with one who declared himself gay (and now isnt entirely sure anyway) who in gay bars has had kissing, cuddling and offers of sex.
And the gay argument is that it is about love!!!
Come off it. Gay means same sex attraction its about sex.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00gtkyq
The three princes searching for well not so much 'love' but partners.
Very revealing.
So far in bars, restaurants, parties, workplaces two of them have not really found anyone who wants to committ further. And there has been not been even any kissing that I have seen. Contrast that with one who declared himself gay (and now isnt entirely sure anyway) who in gay bars has had kissing, cuddling and offers of sex.
And the gay argument is that it is about love!!!
Come off it. Gay means same sex attraction its about sex.
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So, you support gay marriage them, to promote them committing further?
Or do you condemn "not committing further" (because straight guys talk about how they want to get married all the time, the tux they are going to wear, etc.....), and condemn them for not being able to commit legally at the same time?
And this is you loving your neighbor? Come off it yourself. You are negating yourself.
Or do you condemn "not committing further" (because straight guys talk about how they want to get married all the time, the tux they are going to wear, etc.....), and condemn them for not being able to commit legally at the same time?
And this is you loving your neighbor? Come off it yourself. You are negating yourself.
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Kissing, cuddling and offers of sex is certainly not restricted to homosexuals. Obviously, you know this. But, I don't think it's right for their to be gay only establishments if equality is what we're after. Gay friendly advertising would probably suffice.
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brightmorningstar
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Sorry, I am certain I did give a link some months ago, cant give it again the website content is too innappropriate for a Christian forum (a view shared by CreedIsChrist) That some of you seem doubtful is not very convincing either.
Also the gay men only hotel probably doesn't refsue a room to heterosexuals, but neither did the Scottish hotel.
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Traditionally, guys wait until their wedding night. That's why they wear white. Oh, wait....
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To Beanieboy,
I would prefer society didnt have civil partnerships, but no I do not support 'gay marriage' as its not marriage as a same sex couple isnt the same as a man and woman so its an attack on God's purposes. (as shown so often)
I would prefer society didnt have civil partnerships, but no I do not support 'gay marriage' as its not marriage as a same sex couple isnt the same as a man and woman so its an attack on God's purposes. (as shown so often)
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brightmorningstar
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To Fin12,
Did the Scottish hotel refuse the gay couple? No.
Didnt so never mind.. Pleas read the posts.
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Fin12
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In the exact same way hetero relations are often about sex. Your eluding yourself if you think their is a different reason for attraction.
Yeah bars and resturaunts aren't half as liticious as clubs. Even hetero clubs have mud parties foam parties, wet t shirt competitions, And your forgetting, they are in brighton!!!
BRIGHTONNNNNN!!!!!
Like it or not hetero's are just as promiscious, I'm technically in a polygamy right now, that proof enough? And I will still date and sleep with people outside the more stable relations if the opportunity arrises if I find someone I like.
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brightmorningstar
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To Psudopod,
As they advertise as a hotel are you suggesting they should not only be shut down for discrimination but for misleading advertising standards. In which case why ha sthe Scottish hotel been penalised and not the gay hotel?
So you agree the law should be changed so it is equality?
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We don't know God's purpose. We only know what MEN considered to be God's purpose. And much of this was based on culture and superstition of the day. In case you hadn't noticed, today's date is 20 March 2009.
Try to keep up, bms.
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I can see you are deluding yourself from the evidence. The straight normal princes and the girls are not indulging in sex straight away as the gay scene is showing it does. … something the pro-gay lobbies always deny.
The evidence is convincing fo anyone who isn’t totally blinkered.
I can see you are deluding yourself from the evidence. The straight normal princes and the girls are not indulging in sex straight away as the gay scene is showing it does. … something the pro-gay lobbies always deny.
The evidence is convincing fo anyone who isn’t totally blinkered.
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This is something I still don't get, really. Start with this basis: Anyone in the US can write virtually any contract they want to. Why does the inability to call a given contract "marriage" have any bearing on equality? To me, it's a bit like a person suing because they want to call their loan for their car a "mortgage." Certain sorts of contracts have certain names attached to them. Applying one name to another sort of contract doesn't make the contracts the same.
Now, in the case of marriage--the problem is we want to spend time talking about how it's one interpretation of the Scriptures vs "equal rights." Since some folks think it's a matter of interpretation (I think the Scriptures a really clear, but many won't agree), let's just leave the interpretation out of the picture. And the easy way to do this is to leave the Scriptures entirely out of the picture, just for a moment, and deal with the "equal rights" issue without them.
What does this leave us with? The logical reasoning behind marriage in the first place. And what is that reasoning? Well, lets go back to Rome, for instance. They certainly didn't have a problem with homsexuality, but they didn't have "gay marriage." Why is that? They also didn't seem to think abortion was wrong for religious reasons, but they still outlawed it. Why?
Because they understood a simple fact: Men and women, when tied together, tend to have babies. Not always, but most of the time. The mental and physical well being of the child is generally tied to their mother and father being together, in the same house, raising them. Roman law didn't care about sex at all--affairs were fine, homosexuality was fine, etc, etc. What Roman law cared about was babies. Why? Because babies perpetuate the nation.
Now, you can argue that we shouldn't care any longer (and I would argue we should care). You can argue that homsexual couples can have babies (yes, but because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should). You can argue that homosexual parents, or single parents, do just as good raising children as man/woman couples do--and there you have to argue with study after study showing this to be wrong. That while such situations exist, they are not ideal for the children.
But, in the end, to make the case that this is about equality, and not the best interests of the society, you have to prove the underlying assumptions that men and women, together, tend to have babies, and that a father/mother couple is better at raising children than any other situation, are both completely wrong.
I have yet to see any evidence to show these two are not true.
So, am I "anti-gay?" No, not particularly. I think it's sad we live our lives so much around sex that we want sex to define marriage, but that's a societal problem, not a "gay" problem. We sell most of the products in our society based on sex, make "being sexy" virtually synonymous with "being healthy," and all love stories end with "sex ever after." Maybe if we just got out of the hyper sexual mode, we would see that marriage isn't about giving a license to have sex, and hence, gay marriage has nothing to do with "equality."
Just my 2c.
Russ
P.S. And no, a lot of married couples no longer have children, and yes, someone is going to throw that up here. That shows nothing about the natural order of things, or what's best for society, as a whole. All that goes to show is just how oversexed our society is in one more way.
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To KCKID,
All you do is show you don't believe God's Biblical testimony.
I do as already shown in passages such as Gen 2, Matthew 19, Mark 10, Ephesians 5, 1 Corinthians 6-7, 1 Timothy 1 and Romans 1.
All you do is show you don't believe God's Biblical testimony.
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brightmorningstar
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Anyway, despite the total opposites of worldviews it has been good debating with you guys.
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But if I want to call my car payments my mortgage, it still has the same effect as every other car payment contract. You cannot get a contract that grants the rights of marriage without it being a marriage contract.
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