An example why Gay agenda undermines religious freedom

[Braunwyn]

To Braunwyn,
Based on my answer it shows I probaly would. If I offered two men separate rooms and the insisted on a double it would suggest their intention wasn't just to sleep.

So, you're saying that you would give them two rooms for the price of one? Let me know where your hotel is, I will be a patron.

 

[Braunwyn]

I traveled pretty far with my half-brother once. We were heading to a funeral several states away. When we had to stay at a hotel, we tried to get a double so that we could save cash. We had different last names, but nobody ever gave us any trouble over it. You wouldn't have known one way or another what our intention was with the room.

Indeed. The last funeral I went to, my dad, my middle-aged brother, my husband and myself got one room. It was tight and it had two double beds. That did suck big time lol.

 

[sidhe]

Of course, businesses geared towards specific clientele never engage audiences outside their target group.

Which is why my friend who has a pagan/metaphysical supply shop chased that Jewish woman out a month or so ago.

...hold on, no...she sold her some candles for Shabbat.

But she'd definitely kick out a Christian!

...assuming it wasn't one of the priests who buys granular incense from her because she's got better prices than the church supply catalogs...or the ones who like her selection of Celtic crosses...

But she'd never, ever deal with an atheist!

...unless, y'know, they collected exotic knives, and wanted to see what athames she had in stock...

...wow, maybe I was wrong. Maybe people would go to a specialty shop that might carry something unique...because it's a specialty shop that might carry something unique.

Also, didn't this thread end many pages ago after Maren's +5 vs. Right-Wing Deception post?

 

[Psudopod]

No one said it did, infact the article pointed out it cant. You have created a straw man and are pursuing it.
Sure the heterosexual can buy a ‘gay book’ no problem with that, but the homosexual can buy a room, no problem with that either.

It is a problem if the bookshop owner turns round and says "you're not gay you can't have that book. Here have this other book instead."

 

[brightmorningstar]

To David Brider,

But see the point that's already been made - as the provider of a public service, it's not up to you to make that decision.

So the gay hotel should be shut down according to you, for me the owner should have a say in what services he provides.

If the people in question have requested a double room, it's not your prerogative to say that they can't have one, unless there are genuinely none available.

Why not? That’s just your view, and seeing as I assume neither of us are owners of hotels I wouldn’t stick my nose into other peoples business like that.

Now let me ask you a question. Why would two friends even best friends want to share a double room?...Why would anyone want to share a room? Sounds like sex could be the reason otherwise you wouldnt have needed to ask the question.

Because it's cheaper to "roomie up", as I believe the expression goes. Sex doesn't have to be involved, so why do you assume that it could be?

Did you not read what I wrote, obviously not, I already agreed cost might be a reasonable factor but not sex and sexuality, the argument is about sexuality. Sexuality should not be a basis to demand a room

 

[Psudopod]

Also, didn't this thread end many pages ago after Maren's +5 vs. Right-Wing Deception post?

Oh yeah, no one's been willing to argue the op since the truth came out. Now we're back on "teh geys are ebil" as predicted by Polycarp1.

 

[Braunwyn]

Also, didn't this thread end many pages ago after Maren's +5 vs. Right-Wing Deception post?

I was hoping one of them would have addressed her fine post. Too bad.

 

[SallyNow]

To Sallynow.
You see what makes sense to you doesn’t necessarily make sense to others.

it would if you removed the last sentence.

No one said it did, infact the article pointed out it cant. You have created a straw man and are pursuing it.
Sure the heterosexual can buy a ‘gay book’ no problem with that, but the homosexual can buy a room, no problem with that either.

No, I was actually pointing the reality of specialty bookstores and the fact there is not such thing as a "gay book".

 

[b&wpac4]

To David Brider,
So the gay hotel should be shut down according to you, for me the owner should have a say in what services he provides.

Why not? That’s just your view, and seeing as I assume neither of us are owners of hotels I wouldn’t stick my nose into other peoples business like that.

Now let me ask you a question. Why would two friends even best friends want to share a double room?...Why would anyone want to share a room? Sounds like sex could be the reason otherwise you wouldnt have needed to ask the question.

Did you not read what I wrote, obviously not, I already agreed cost might be a reasonable factor but not sex and sexuality, the argument is about sexuality. Sexuality should not be a basis to demand a room

Married couples NEVER have sex in a hotel room. Never.

 

[Beanieboy]

Now let me ask you a question. Why would two friends even best friends want to share a double room? I have never wanted to share a double room or bed with a male friend, I prefer a room on my own. I certainly wouldn’t want to share with a female friend, that would be inappropriate. Why would anyone want to share a room? Sounds like sex could be the reason otherwise you wouldnt have needed to ask the question.

So, basically, roommate in college are all having sex with each other?
Are you one of those people that says, "Ernie and Bert are gay! Won't someone PLEASE think of the children???"

Most people want to share a room, because 1 room (and yes, you can get 1 room, 2 beds) is cheaper.

However, how exactly are you going to go about validating that the couple is married? Make them bring a marriage certificate? What if they are brother and sister? Bring birth certificates? Rings prove nothing, and they could be married to two separate people, so you would be "condoning" adultery, for all that matters.

But why stop there? Why not make them state that they are Christian? Why not make them prove that this is their first and only wedding? Why not get out the book of Leviticus, and make sure the wife is not menstrating, because she would be unclean, and is to not sleep in the same room. Or do you condone denying Jesus, divorce, or ignoring parts of the bible, and selectively discriminate "out of love"?

You have that right. But guess what? Not my problem. Your problem. If you were to do a 180 next year, and said, Hotel BMS is now welcoming to Gay people, I wouldn't come to your hotel. Don't think that including me as "your neighbor" is somehow doing me some big favor.

 

[David Brider]

To David Brider,
So the gay hotel should be shut down according to you, for me the owner should have a say in what services he provides.

If you'll provide the link for this so-called "gay hotel" then it might be easier for the rest of us to know what you're talking about.

Why not?

Because it would be against the law to discriminate against people on the basis of what you assume their sexuality to be.

Did you not read what I wrote, obviously not, I already agreed cost might be a reasonable factor but not sex and sexuality, the argument is about sexuality. Sexuality should not be a basis to demand a room

Nor should it - or your assumptions about it - be a basis to refuse one.

David.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To David Brider,

But why would you want to offer them separate rooms if they've asked for a double?

Because it is inaapropriate, you have merely asked me th ereverse of what I aksed you, whats their problem if they got two separate rooms for the same price which is what happened in the case of the Scottish Hotel?

The answer is they are gay and have SEXUAL attraction thats whay they wanted a double room.

 

[b&wpac4]

To David Brider,
Because it is inaapropriate, you have merely asked me th ereverse of what I aksed you, whats their problem if they got two separate rooms for the same price which is what happened in the case of the Scottish Hotel?

The answer is they are gay and have SEXUAL attraction thats whay they wanted a double room.

So... you offer them two rooms at the price of a double. Are you going to send the Gestapo over to make sure they stay in their separate rooms?

 

[Beanieboy]

No, I was actually pointing the reality of specialty bookstores and the fact there is not such thing as a "gay book".

Only books that live a gay lifestyle.

 

[Braunwyn]

So... you offer them two rooms at the price of a double. Are you going to send the Gestapo over to make sure they stay in their separate rooms?

I like his idea. I would get the two rooms for the price of one, and then put an add of craigslist at a discounted rate and make a little cash. j/k

 

[SallyNow]

To David Brider,

Wow hang on, whats homosexuality if it isn’t gay or same –gender attraction that I am supposed to forget?

Ah now this is a good point. Personally I would definitely offer and grant the married couple a double room and would probably offer all the rest single rooms. If the double was cheaper and the other groups asked for it on that basis I might grant them the double.
Now let me ask you a question. Why would two friends even best friends want to share a double room? I have never wanted to share a double room or bed with a male friend, I prefer a room on my own. I certainly wouldn’t want to share with a female friend, that would be inappropriate. Why would anyone want to share a room? Sounds like sex could be the reason otherwise you wouldnt have needed to ask the question.

You don't represent the majority, then.

Sex is not the only reason two people would want to share a room. Another major reason is cost. A two-bed hotel room is often much cheaper than renting two rooms.

Two close, non-sexual friends may also share a queen-sized bed without anything sexual going on at all. They're just close friends who don't mind each other's snoring

Some people like sharing rooms with friends. Others don't. Still others don't have an opinion on it and will share a room if it's cheaper, but get their own if the cost difference isn't an issue. None of this has anything at all to do with sex. It's a bit sad that sex has to be brought into everything these days.

If a group of friends decide to go skiing it's usually cheaper to rent a cabin or two-bedroom hotel room with a few extra cots than it is to rent four or five or six single rooms. It's just for a few days, no hanky panky, just an economic thing and a fun thing. There may be nothing immodest about it all. Just friends sharing a place to save money. That's it.

 

[Braunwyn]

If a group of friends decide to go skiing it's usually cheaper to rent a cabin or two-bedroom hotel room with a few extra cots than it is to rent four or five or six single rooms. It's just for a few days, no hanky panky, just an economic thing and a fun thing. There may be nothing immodest about it all. Just friends sharing a place to save money. That's it.

On the night before my wedding, when we had the bachelorette party, two of my friends came back to the hotel to find that their rooms weren't available. DH was with his family. They had to stay with me in my honeymoon suite and they were both male. Scandalous!

 

[brightmorningstar]

Well this is very interesting and speaks volumes.
All I am doing is asking for equality, if there is a gay men only hotel then there should be a hotel that refuses gay couples. I am quite happy with that. Pro-gay posters have not really made any criticism of a gay men only hotel but demand that GAY couples have double rooms elsewhere because gay people must not be discriminated against.
and people are beggining to twig what is going on hence Prop 8

 

[Braunwyn]

Well this is very interesting and speaks volumes.
All I am doing is asking for equality, if there is a gay men only hotel then there should be a hotel that refuses gay couples. I am quite happy with that. Pro-gay posters have not really made any criticism of a gay men only hotel but demand that GAY couples have double rooms elsewhere because gay people must not be discriminated against.
and people are beggining to twig what is going on hence Prop 8

What gay hotel? Link? eta: If there is a hotel that discriminates against heterosexuals, than I highly doubt anyone in this thread would lend it support.

 

[Fin12]

Well this is very interesting and speaks volumes.
All I am doing is asking for equality, if there is a gay men only hotel then there should be a hotel that refuses gay couples. I am quite happy with that. Pro-gay posters have not really made any criticism of a gay men only hotel but demand that GAY couples have double rooms elsewhere because gay people must not be discriminated against.
and people are beggining to twig what is going on hence Prop 8

Does the gay hotel refuse straight couples entirely?

If so, then I as a pro gay poster (whatever the hell that is) will critisise it for its discrimination.