Why I’m Not a Christian Zionist, Academically Speaking”

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yep and orthodox or messianic does not matter the decendents of isaac will rule the land of canaan til Jesus returns.

They and the Muslims can have it

 

[Carey]

They and the Muslims can have it

No the Muslims cannot have it. Nor can you or my people.

That is the point. The fact they have it proves the Bible 100% accurate. I would not want it either.....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No the Muslims cannot have it. Nor can you or my people.

That is the point. The fact they have it proves the Bible 100% accurate. I would not want it either.....

That is why I am a Preterist as I read all the Bible as fulfilled

 

[Carey]

That is why I am a Preterist as I read all the Bible as fulfilled

How did they accomplish flying home on planes before plains existed?/

The Bible predicted the Decendents of isaac would be return in part by airplane also....Isaiah 60 : 8 "Who are these that fly along like clouds,
like doves to their nests?

4 "Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the arm. 5 Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
The Bible predicted the UN and the USA would create modern israel so the decendents of Isaac could return by airplane and ship
Isaiah 60 : 10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

How did they accomplish flying home on planes before plains existed?/

That would be an excellent question to ask the Jews as they do not read the book of Revelation anyway so how can they know everything is fulfilled for them in JESUS

 

[Carey]

That would be an excellent question to ask the Jews as they do not read the book of Revelation anyway so how can they know everything is fulfilled for them in JESUS

The messianic Jews read the fulfillment of grace and read the New Testament.

But they probably know the answer.

I was wondering how you explain it believing what you do.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The messianic Jews read the fulfillment of grace and read the New Testament.

But they probably know the answer.

I was wondering how you explain it believing what you do.

That would be more for the Eschatology guru board on CF.......

http://christianforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=14

 

[Micah68]

THIS IS A VERY WONDERFUL WEBSITE

JUSTICE FOR ALL By giannina

When I began to understand that Christian Zionism was not biblical, but rather a product of dispensationalism, I was drawn to read about God’s love and mercy towards Hagar and Ishmael. When I saw innocent people, including many children ...
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[Carey]

Yes God loves Haggar and Ishmaels decendents. One has only to look at the massive wealth of many Arabs to see God has blessed Ishmaels decendents as promised.

God has also kept his promise to Isaacs decendents.

BUt It is funny how people that believe the promise of being brought back to the land was fulfilled in ancient time

How did they accomplish flying home on planes before plains existed?/

The Bible predicted the Decendents of Isaac would be return in part by airplane also....Isaiah 60 : 8 "Who are these that fly along like clouds,
like doves to their nests?

4 "Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the arm. 5 Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
The Bible predicted the UN and the USA would create modern israel so the decendents of Isaac could return by airplane and ship
Isaiah 60 : 10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.

 

[Col3_11n12]

Arabs are descendants of Ishmael? Evidence please.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Arabs are descendants of Ishmael? Evidence please.

Happy St Patrick day all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EADUQWKoVek

 

[Carey]

Arabs are descendants of Ishmael? Evidence please.

One is only blind if they choose to be, in light of the Bible. It is difficult to dismiss the Arabs as a a people that is outside the Biblical spectrum; that is made difficult for the very fact that Arabs and Jews inhabited the same region: THE MIDDLE EAST.
The ulterior motive of the Christian being that, if Arabs in the Bible are overlooked, it will diminish the prospects of biblical prophecies foretelling Prophet Muhammed (PBUH).
As I intend to show, the Arabs formed an important component in the trade and commerce, wars, and so on of the region as did the Jews in those very same events and the normal everyday life. Much of what is stated here is based solely on the Bible..
In the Beginning
The book of Genesis gives the earliest accounts of the Arabs. Many know the story of Isaac and Ishmael. But it is important that we restate them again...
Abraham had a son Ishmael via his Hagar, his wife. As the Bible states
"...gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife"
Genisis 16:3
Not his mistress or concubine, his wife as it clearly states. Hagar, a humble Egyptian maid was to give birth to Ishmael. The progenitor of the Arabs, the Bible goes onto say that Ishmaels descendants would form a great nation. And they would dwell among their brethren (the Jews). Hagar was to take for her son, a wife out of Egypt. Ishmael gave birth to twelve sons. One of them being Kedar (Genesis 25:13) , in which the Prophet muhammed's (PBUH) lineage was to come through.
Kedar: "...A tribe descended from Ishmael (Gen.25.13)... The people were Pliny's Cedrai, and from their tribe Mohammed ultimately arose."
Davis Dictionary of the Bible, 1980 (Sponsored by the Board of Christian Education of the Presbyterian Church)

Kedar:"...Of the Ishmaelite tribes, Kedar must have been one of the most important, and thus in later times the name came to be applied to all the wild tribes of the desert. It is through Kedar (Arab, Keidar) that Muslim genealogists trace the descent of Mohammed from Ishmael."
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
Kedar: (black): Second son of Ishmael (Gen. 25:13)... Mohammed traces his lineage to Abraham through the celebrated Koreish tribe, which sprang from Kedar. The Arabs in the Hejaz are called Beni Harb (men of war), and are Ishmaelites as of old, from their beginning.
Smith's Bible Dictionary

The Arabs would inhabit the Arabian peninsula, (the wilderness of Paran, Genesis 21:21 Faran in Arabic).
Not only are their origins of the same source, but the Arabs and Jews throughout the course of time would share a history together in the biblical and even post-Biblical era.

http://www.jamaat.net/comp/arabsinthebible.html

 

[Micah68]

Yes God loves Haggar and Ishmaels decendents. One has only to look at the massive wealth of many Arabs to see God has blessed Ishmaels decendents as promised.

God has also kept his promise to Isaacs decendents.

BUt It is funny how people that believe the promise of being brought back to the land was fulfilled in ancient time

How did they accomplish flying home on planes before plains existed?/

The Bible predicted the Decendents of Isaac would be return in part by airplane also....Isaiah 60 : 8 "Who are these that fly along like clouds,
like doves to their nests?

4 "Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the arm. 5 Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
The Bible predicted the UN and the USA would create modern israel so the decendents of Isaac could return by airplane and ship
Isaiah 60 : 10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.

Carey I would laugh, but you sincerely believe the above, how very sad.

How minimalistic you have made our God to be. The God you choose to worship is racist and blood thirsty. This is not the God I worship, the God I worship Loves the entire worldly population, equally, not wanting any to fail. 'For God so loved the World...' We are NOT pawns to be manipulated by the whims of man. By following this dispensation you have become an enabler, a pawn, of those such as Hagee and CUFI.

If one is faithful, our only focus would be to live as Christ taught, loving one another/everyone. 'Love one another' not get tied up in a wacky belief that elevates one above another. If one is faithful, Christ's love should be visible in our every action. My picture of you Carey is of someone drooling, eagerly anticipating the next blood bath, someone who takes joy in the suffering of others because of so called 'prophecy'. You have no understanding of the way scriptures were written, the language used, long ago if you believe OT writers were writing about airplanes.

Thankfully, people are starting to wake up from their slumber.....

The Armageddon Lobby: Dispensationalist Christian Zionism and the Shaping of US Policy Towards Israel-Palestine

Rammy M. Haija

This article investigates the history of contemporary Christian Zionism in the United States and the impact of this movement on US policy issues related to Israel-Palestine. Dispensationalist Christian Zionists, often described the ‘Armageddon lobby’, make up the largest voting bloc in the Republican Party and have become a mainstay in US politics. More recently, the Christian Zionist lobby has had a profoundly damaging impact on the Israeli-Palestinian ‘peace process’ as well as creating a conspiracy of silence regarding Israeli offensives in the occupied Palestinian territories. Though the ‘Armageddon lobby’ has been successful in its efforts as a pro-Israel lobby, its influence is in fact counterproductive to Israel because the lobby hinders the prospect of Israel living in peace because of their policy of deterring the progression of negotiations. More…

 

[Carey]

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Carey I would laugh, but you sincerely believe the above, how very sad.

How minimalistic you have made our God to be. The God you choose to worship is racist and blood thirsty. This is not the God I worship, the God I worship Loves the entire worldly population, equally, not wanting any to fail. 'For God so loved the World...' We are NOT pawns to be manipulated by the whims of man. By following this dispensation you have become an enabler, a pawn, of those such as Hagee and CUFI.

If one is faithful, our only focus would be to live as Christ taught, loving one another/everyone. 'Love one another' not get tied up in a wacky belief that elevates one above another. If one is faithful, Christ's love should be visible in our every action. My picture of you Carey is of someone drooling, eagerly anticipating the next blood bath, someone who takes joy in the suffering of others because of so called 'prophecy'. You have no understanding of the way scriptures were written, the language used, long ago if you believe OT writers were writing about airplanes.

Thankfully, people are starting to wake up from their slumber.....

The Armageddon Lobby: Dispensationalist Christian Zionism and the Shaping of US Policy Towards Israel-Palestine

Rammy M. Haija

This article investigates the history of contemporary Christian Zionism in the United States and the impact of this movement on US policy issues related to Israel-Palestine. Dispensationalist Christian Zionists, often described the ‘Armageddon lobby’, make up the largest voting bloc in the Republican Party and have become a mainstay in US politics. More recently, the Christian Zionist lobby has had a profoundly damaging impact on the Israeli-Palestinian ‘peace process’ as well as creating a conspiracy of silence regarding Israeli offensives in the occupied Palestinian territories. Though the ‘Armageddon lobby’ has been successful in its efforts as a pro-Israel lobby, its influence is in fact counterproductive to Israel because the lobby hinders the prospect of Israel living in peace because of their policy of deterring the progression of negotiations. More…

No the God I worship loves the racist blood thirsty Arabs too.

He also loves the vengful Jews. Who have no choice but to keep fighting the racist blood thirsty Arabs who attack them constantly.

Thats why they too can inherit the promise of salvation if they would change their hearts. Romans 2.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

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Carey I would laugh, but you sincerely believe the above, how very sad.

How minimalistic you have made our God to be. The God you choose to worship is racist and blood thirsty. This is not the God I worship, the God I worship Loves the entire worldly population, equally, not wanting any to fail. 'For God so loved the World...' We are NOT pawns to be manipulated by the whims of man. By following this dispensation you have become an enabler, a pawn, of those such as Hagee and CUFI.

If one is faithful, our only focus would be to live as Christ taught, loving one another/everyone. 'Love one another' not get tied up in a wacky belief that elevates one above another. If one is faithful, Christ's love should be visible in our every action. My picture of you Carey is of someone drooling, eagerly anticipating the next blood bath, someone who takes joy in the suffering of others because of so called 'prophecy'. You have no understanding of the way scriptures were written, the language used, long ago if you believe OT writers were writing about airplanes.

Thankfully, people are starting to wake up from their slumber.....


that's a harsh rebuke.. but i agree with it..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thankfully, people are starting to wake up from their slumber.....

The Armageddon Lobby: Dispensationalist Christian Zionism and the Shaping of US Policy Towards Israel-Palestine

Rammy M. Haija

This article investigates the history of contemporary Christian Zionism in the United States and the impact of this movement on US policy issues related to Israel-Palestine. Dispensationalist Christian Zionists, often described the ‘Armageddon lobby’, make up the largest voting bloc in the Republican Party and have become a mainstay in US politics. More recently, the Christian Zionist lobby has had a profoundly damaging impact on the Israeli-Palestinian ‘peace process’ as well as creating a conspiracy of silence regarding Israeli offensives in the occupied Palestinian territories. Though the ‘Armageddon lobby’ has been successful in its efforts as a pro-Israel lobby, its influence is in fact counterproductive to Israel because the lobby hinders the prospect of Israel living in peace because of their policy of deterring the progression of negotiations. More…

Interesting and thanks........

 

[Micah68]

No the God I worship loves the racist blood thirsty Arabs too.

He also loves the vengful Jews. Who have no choice but to keep fighting the racist blood thirsty Arabs who attack them constantly.

Thats why they too can inherit the promise of salvation if they would change their hearts. Romans 2.

And what about the peace loving, peace seeking Arab Christians, Arab Jews and Arab Muslims? You error in judging a people as a whole. Your words give you away Carey and are your witness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYWlB64upSc

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Well I’m a fundamentalist Christian, and I am not a Christian Zionist or dispensationalist. Those people on that video are tarring me with the same brush as those American ‘useful idiots’. Interesting video though. I only realised what dispensationalism is recently, and where it came from, and how it has influenced my thinking. I also recently left a church where this american doctrine was starting to get a hold.. and that was mainly because of an american family that had just joined the church.. saying we should pray for 'God's holy people'... the Jews in the state of Israel. And then you see all that on TV with God's holy people murdering everyone in Gaza.. disgraceful.

 

[Carey]

Well all I kl\now the Israelites could not have returned to the land on airplanes like it talks about in Isaiah 60 in ancient days.

Therefore anyone saying Isaiah 60 is finisshed being fulfilled is blind.

Once you accept the fact that Isaiah 60 still to this day is not finished being fulfilled you will be blind to the truth and Validity of the Bible.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Yes God loves Haggar and Ishmaels decendents. One has only to look at the massive wealth of many Arabs to see God has blessed Ishmaels decendents as promised.

The oil isn't a blessing to the arabs, and it's running dry.