"Embedded Age" and Why it's Wrong

[CraigBaugher]

How about 6 seconds or 6 minutes or 6 hours? Why is that among the non-literalists who interpret "day" as something other than a 24-hour period, they always interpret it as some time frame greater than a day, and never less than a day?

In respective, an earth day to God can be a nanosecond, or a billion years, as we are talking about God who can warp time. For again, we are talking about someone who can reach the beginning of the whole universe and the end. Time is truly relative, for we cannot even comprehend anything that can reach the beginning and end, and move in-between the two effortlessly, with fluidity.

 

[Sophophile]

In respective, an earth day to God can be a nanosecond, or a billion years, as we are talking about God who can warp time. For again, we are talking about someone who can reach the beginning of the whole universe and the end. Time is truly relative, for we cannot even comprehend anything that can reach the beginning and end, and move in-between the two effortlessly, with fluidity.

Hi CraigBaugher

What you say about God may be true.

But the question is not what God could do. The question is what God did do.

And the evidence is that the creation occurred billions of years ago.

Cheers
S.

 

[Hespera]

No, we name species from fossils. While many fossils are examples from ancient species already discovered, some are different enough to be named new species.
The naming of species from fossils is in all actuality quite conservative because the bones have to be different enough to warrant naming a new species. In living animals the skeletal structure can be exactly the same yet belong to different species because they are differentiated through coloration/behavioral characteristics.


Sparrow skeleton.

Sparrows- about 140 species

Do you care to address anything in GhostSlug's post?

Now don't take offense because I am not doing what I consider a flame, just my honest opinion. I think you do more of a disservice to Christianity than any of us could. Rather than admit when you are wrong or claim "I don't know," you make up wild claims with no basis in any sort of reality or even Biblical support. You seriously make Christianity and faith in God look completely illogical and unreasonable for anyone to follow. Making up stories to try and support your faith really does more harm than good. Your actions on here are simply pushing us farther away from your religion because none of us want to push reality and ignore reason just to verify a religious book. Stop being a "stumbling block".

I could not agree with you more about that. Some people who post here present Christianity as if it were a brainless cult that requires a person to believe the utterly unbelievable.

Why would I want to be part of a group that will sponsor as true the silliest theories like hydroplate and water canopy and dinosaurs breaking into the angel's coal bin?

I do know some very sensible intelligent and thoughtful Christians. I might some day join their church, I think about it. But if being a Christian really requires the kind of thinking I see in here from about a half dozen of the really hard core fundamentalists, forget it. No way.

Anyone with an interest in attracting someone to their beliefs should stand back a bit and see if what they are doing is having the opposite effect.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I could not agree with you more about that. Some people who post here present Christianity as if it were a brainless cult that requires a person to believe the utterly unbelievable.

Why would I want to be part of a group that will sponsor as true the silliest theories like hydroplate and water canopy and dinosaurs breaking into the angel's coal bin?

I do know some very sensible intelligent and thoughtful Christians. I might some day join their church, I think about it. But if being a Christian really requires the kind of thinking I see in here from about a half dozen of the really hard core fundamentalists, forget it. No way.

Anyone with an interest in attracting someone to their beliefs should stand back a bit and see if what they are doing is having the opposite effect.

I wouldn't even say that the resident lunatic fringe accurately represents the majority of the creationist movement, let alone mainstream Christianity, so you shouldn't let them be a hindrance to an eventual conversion.

 

[Hespera]

I wouldn't even say that the resident lunatic fringe accurately represents the majority of the creationist movement, let alone mainstream Christianity, so you shouldn't let them be a hindrance to an eventual conversion.

Oh, they dont of course. Ir would be nice if they could ever see what they have let themselves become. who knows maybe they even will. I sure hope so.

I wont let them influence me one way of the other about what I do or think.

I have a couple of lunatic relatives who are still stuck in the Cultural Revolution and they wont get me to agree with them either.

Might be fun tho to stick them on a desert island with a couple of the 'resident lunatics" you mentioned. No weapons allowed!


My biggest problem with Christianity is, I agree with a lot of the philosophy but I just cant make myself believe the story. I like the whole idea of the fellowship. So, I'm still not knowing what to do.

ps I still slip up and spell words like " colour" or "honour" and have some funny pronunciations but that doesnt make me a liberal.

 

[BananaSlug]

So is "embedded age" thoroughly "pwned"? This thread will probably make another appearance in a few years.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Oh, they dont of course. Ir would be nice if they could ever see what they have let themselves become. who knows maybe they even will. I sure hope so.

I wont let them influence me one way of the other about what I do or think.

I have a couple of lunatic relatives who are still stuck in the Cultural Revolution and they wont get me to agree with them either.

Might be fun tho to stick them on a desert island with a couple of the 'resident lunatics" you mentioned. No weapons allowed!

I have the feeling that their mutual contempt of concepts like "reality" or "evidence" might lead to some sort of horrible alliance, if you don't mind me saying so. No offense.

My biggest problem with Christianity is, I agree with a lot of the philosophy but I just cant make myself believe the story. I like the whole idea of the fellowship. So, I'm still not knowing what to do.

I think that's more common among unbelievers than one would usually think. It certainly describes my personal situation a few months back, at least.

ps I still slip up and spell words like " colour" or "honour" and have some funny pronunciations but that doesnt make me a liberal.

That's what they all say.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

So is "embedded age" thoroughly "pwned"? This thread will probably make another appearance in a few years.

Surely you jest. This thread will make another appearance on Sunday after AV1611VET continues to rant about embedded age despite having been completely humiliated here. He will never give up.

 

[Hespera]

It is one of the dumbest ideas I ever heard of. I surely hope it has been beaten to death, will be buried, fossilized then ground up by a passing glacier never to be seen again.

 

[pgp_protector]

It is one of the dumbest ideas I ever heard of. I surely hope it has been beaten to death, will be buried, fossilized then ground up by a passing glacier never to be seen again.

Tell someone digs it up

 

[Hespera]

But see THAT is why i wanted it ground up by a passing glacier. have you seen glacial silt? man.... that is FINE POWDER. Glaciers are really thorough. Even the most ardent paleoglibologist wont be able to reconstruct that shameful corpse once it has been glaciated.

 

[BananaSlug]

Well, if and when AV decides to come back I have another thing. Fossilized evidence of crippling diseases.

 

[Cabal]

Well, if and when AV decides to come back I have another thing. Fossilized evidence of crippling diseases.

Ah, we've moved on from embedded dead things to embedded killing machines, splendid

 

[BananaSlug]

Ah, we've moved on from embedded dead things to embedded killing machines, splendid

One of the more significant Allosaurus finds was the 1991 discovery of "Big Al"
This skeleton was discovered by a Swiss team, led by Kirby Siber. The same team later excavated a second Allosaurus, "Big Al Two", which is the best preserved skeleton of its kind to date.

The completeness, preservation, and scientific importance of this skeleton gave "Big Al" its name; the individual itself was below the average size for Allosaurus fragilis, and was a subadult estimated at only 87% grown. The specimen was described by Breithaupt in 1996. Nineteen of its bones were broken or showed signs of infection (an infection is the detrimental colonization of a host organism by a foreign species. In infection, the infecting organism seeks to utilize the host resources in order to multiply) which may have contributed to "Big Al"'s death.
Other damaged bones included five ribs, five vertebrae, and four bones of the feet; several damaged bones showed osteomyelitis(Osteomyelitis is an infection of bone, usually caused by pyogenic bacterium or mycobacteria. It can be usefully subclassifed on the basis of the causative organism, the route, duration and anatomic location of the infection) bone infection. A particular problem for the living animal was infection and trauma to the right foot that probably affected movement and may have also predisposed the other foot to injury because of a change in gait.

I can't find any decent pictures of Big Al's pathology so please feel free to add some! I've seen them before and it is pretty bad...

 

[Norman321]

This allows them to believe the earth is only around 6,000 years old yet shows signs that it is 4.5 billion.

Old post. So according to this theory the earth only looks like it is 4.5 billion years old. Is there a mechanism for how this appearance of age was accomplished?

 

[Davian]

So according to this theory the earth only looks like it is 4.5 billion years old. Is there a mechanism for how this appearance of age was accomplished?

From all the descriptions that I have seen, it would appear to fit the definition of "magic".

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well, if and when AV decides to come back I have another thing.
Fossilized evidence of crippling diseases.

That should be interesting.



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[pgp_protector]

Tell someone digs it up

Old post. So according to this theory the earth only looks like it is 4.5 billion years old. Is there a mechanism for how this appearance of age was accomplished?

And Dug back up.

 

[dad]

And Dug back up.

Perhaps the concept of Embedded age mostly reflects the inability of science to know great ages. They look at the moon, and determine that, at present rates of change in orbit and distance from earth, a measured distance from the earth represents time or age. Yet if the moon was created, it obviously would have been a certain distance from day 1!

You might call this appearance of age (to those people steeped in believing present physics was the be all end all explanation for all things in the past) 'embedded age'. In reality, nothing about the position of the moon really looks old. The appearance of age is ONLY to those who believe in no creation, and try to use present laws to explain the position of the moon!

So, the inability of science to know real ages, and their religious insistence on viewing all things without God is the main cause of any appearance of age!

 

[EternalDragon]

Well, if and when AV decides to come back I have another thing. Fossilized evidence of crippling diseases.

All our fossils and rocks do not come with age tags. The ages are assumed. Also, all the fossils, coal and oil were formed from being buried by the recent flood. (burial, heat and pressure).

There was a question of where in Genesis it states the earth is only around 6000 years old. We have a complete genealogy in Genesis from Adam to Noah and then from Noah to Jesus. We can trace Jesus right back to Adam and it is around 6000 years.

And the "embedded age" isn't exclusively an AV idea. Any born again Christians I know plainly realize that the earth, plants, animals, sun, moon and Adam were all created mature and ready for life in 6 literal days. That would require creating something with apparent age. Adam could walk, talk and tend the garden. Even name the animals. No parents taught him those things. They were "embedded".