"Embedded Age" and Why it's Wrong

[AV1611VET]

Banana Slug, request permission to speak candidly?

Thank you, sir.

Are you so dense that you can't put two thoughts together and come up with a comprehensive scenario?

Do I really have to guide you by micromanaging every moment, or can you fill in the blanks yourself?

Normally, all I would have to do is make the excellent point that there was a superrace on the earth in Genesis 6, and that should satisfy even the most skeptical person as to where I'm coming from.

But, I have a suspicion you're pulling my leg.

In any event --- since you seem to be having trouble visualizing this --- let me help:

If these ancient super-beings were so advanced, why would they dig up anthracite, roll it in leaves and use it for fuel when clearly they could have been able to use nuclear fusion?

Did you even think about this question, before you asked it? Don't we use nuclear fuel as well as anthracite ourselves? Don't we store anthracite above-ground and transport it from Point A to Point B via railway?

Suppose these angels stored soft anthracite in open-air sheds, or silos, or whatever (use your imagination here), and animals, leaves, whatever got inside?

Why would they put it back in the ground?

Who knows?

Perhaps a buzzer announcing RED ALERT went off, and they scrambled to put it underground before the enemy showed up?

Make something up --- like a good presuppositionalist would.

You actually consider what you said an "educated guess"?

Yes, but for what it's worth --- I don't think even 1/10th of what I said actually happened. I just can't picture it going down that way. But you guys are demanding an answer, and mine is as good as anyone else's.

Did these super-beings also make dinosaur footprints in coal?

I don't know, but I'd guess a dinosaur got inside one of their open-air sheds and stepped in some.

I don't know how if all other coal was made during the flood (as you and other creationists have stated (so far you are the only one that says anthracite was created at creation)). So how could these super-beings create all of this wonderful technology but the flood still kills them all, yet Noah is able to survive a year at sea on a wooden boat?

I'm sure you know how I'm going to answer this one.

Like I've always said: the Ark could have been made of Balsa wood, and the Flood could have been twice as deep as it was, and if God told science to "stand aside", nothing on earth will keep Genesis 8 from happening.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Normally, all I would have to do is make the excellent point that there was a superrace on the earth in Genesis 6, and that should satisfy even the most skeptical person as to where I'm coming from.

AV, may I speak candidly?

Thank you, sir.

Are you so self-important that you actually think treating ancient mythology as historical fact is an "excellent point"?

Suppose these angels stored soft anthracite in open-air sheds, or silos, or whatever (use your imagination here), and animals, leaves, whatever got inside?Who knows?

Clearly not you. What do Angels need a power source for? To charge up their iPods?

Perhaps a buzzer announcing RED ALERT went off, and they scrambled to put it underground before the enemy showed up?

I suppose it's not as though those Angels were going to get help from above, or anything.

Who knows?

Clearly not you. Now would be a good time to crawl back under your "GOD DID IT" rock again.

Perhaps take that hiatus you said you were going to?

Make something up --- like a good presuppositionalist would.Yes, but for what it's worth --- I don't think even 1/10th of what I said actually happened. I just can't picture it going down that way. But you guys are demanding an answer, and mine is as good as anyone else's.

So, you'd rather embrace ad hockery than admit you don't have anything to support your beliefs.

The "GOD DID IT" rock is calling.

I don't know, but I'd guess a dinosaur got inside one of their open-air sheds and stepped in some.I'm sure you know how I'm going to answer this one.

Insanely? Dinos were quite the pests to the magical spiritual superbeings, weren't they?

Interesting how we find bits and pieces of those dinos all over the place, exactly where we'd expect to find them in an old-Earth scenario, but your Superbeings are every bit as hidden as your God is.

Like I've always said: the Ark could have been made of Balsa wood, and the Flood could have been twice as deep as it was, and if God told science to "stand aside", nothing on earth will keep Genesis 8 from happening.

Now that's more like it, AV -- abandon all pretense of reason, and crawl under the safety of the "GOD DID IT" rock.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now that's more like it, AV -- abandon all pretense of reason, and crawl under the safety of the "GOD DID IT" rock.

I don't need to "crawl under a rock", Nathan --- GOD DID IT is in every post I make.

And until you can come up with a better scenario without contradicting the Scriptures, you're scenarios simply didn't happen.

At least mine have an iota of possibility.

 

[MoonLancer]

I don't need to "crawl under a rock", Nathan --- GOD DID IT is in every post I make.

And until you can come up with a better scenario without contradicting the Scriptures, you're scenarios simply didn't happen.

At least mine have an iota of possibility.

idolatry of the bible is still idolatry for it is not God

 

[juvenissun]

should scientists and doctors pursue the question "what causes cancer" even though the answer is not in the bible.

If people like to, why not?

 

[Hespera]

What???????? the (falsely so called) ark was made of BALSA and not the mysterious "gopher wood"?

 

[GhostSlug]

Are you so dense that you can't put two thoughts together and come up with a comprehensive scenario?

We just want to see how comprehensive your scenario actually is.

Do I really have to guide you by micromanaging every moment, or can you fill in the blanks yourself?

This is your story, we have no clue how to fill in the blanks with everything you made up.

Normally, all I would have to do is make the excellent point that there was a superrace on the earth in Genesis 6, and that should satisfy even the most skeptical person as to where I'm coming from.

Genesis 6 says these men are Nephilim, the "Men of Renown". Nothing about a superrace of extraterrestrial angel beings.

But, I have a suspicion you're pulling my leg.

How is anyone pulling your leg? The whole angel scenario is your story.

In any event --- since you seem to be having trouble visualizing this --- let me help, did you even think about this question, before you asked it?

Obviously he thought about it because he asked it.

Don't we use nuclear fuel as well as anthracite ourselves? Don't we store anthracite above-ground and transport it from Point A to Point B via railway?

Yes, but I'm sure a race of super beings would have no use for primitive anthracite when cold fusion would be so much more efficient.

Suppose these angels stored soft anthracite in open-air sheds, or silos, or whatever (use your imagination here), and animals, leaves, whatever got inside?Who knows?

So you went from claiming they rolled it around to collect leaves to storing it in silos and the leaves found their way inside?

Perhaps a buzzer announcing RED ALERT went off, and they scrambled to put it underground before the enemy showed up?

If they were super beings, what enemies would they have? And the flood happened so fast, they wouldn't have had the time to store it.

Make something up --- like a good presuppositionalist would.

Yes, but remember, making stuff up does not make it true.

Yes, but for what it's worth --- I don't think even 1/10th of what I said actually happened.

Then why even mention it?

But you guys are demanding an answer, and mine is as good as anyone else's.

Making stuff up is a good answer? A better answer would be that "I just can't answer it."

I don't know, but I'd guess a dinosaur got inside one of their open-air sheds and stepped in some.

But dinosaur footprints aren't found in anthracite coal. They are found in the coal that was supposedly created in the flood. So which is it? Was all the coal created in Genesis 1 or just anthracite and all other coal was created in the flood?

I'm sure you know how I'm going to answer this one.

We honestly never know what to expect.

Like I've always said: the Ark could have been made of Balsa wood, and the Flood could have been twice as deep as it was, and if God told science to "stand aside", nothing on earth will keep Genesis 8 from happening.

Would that include God erasing all evidence of a flood ever happening? Would that include God creating what appears to be a history of the Earth that never happened? Why would he create something just to make it look like it never happened? If you want to say "Goddidit, case closed" at least we know you don't have a coherent answer. Also, "His ways are not our own" will not suffice.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I don't need to "crawl under a rock", Nathan --- GOD DID IT is in every post I make.

Not counting your sig, does that include your attempts to sound scientific?

And until you can come up with a better scenario without contradicting the Scriptures, you're scenarios simply didn't happen.

At least mine have an iota of possibility.

No, at least yours assuage your ego by convincing you that you're not possibly mistaken about the book you've chosen to idolize.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not counting your sig, does that include your attempts to sound scientific?

No, at least yours assuage your ego by convincing you that you're not possibly mistaken about the book you've chosen to idolize.

I'm sure that your science's pre-Adamic race of --- what are they called ... hominids, simians, whatever --- sounds just as divine to me, as my attempts at science sound to you.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I'm sure that your science's pre-Adamic race of --- what are they called ... hominids, simians, whatever --- sounds just as divine to me, as my attempts at science sound to you.

The difference is that we have found the fossils of "our" race.

 

[AV1611VET]

The difference is that we have found the fossils of "our" race.

Did you find the fossil first, or the race?

In other words, are you creating a race from the fossil, or the fossil from the race?

 

[Nathan Poe]

I'm sure that your science's pre-Adamic race of --- what are they called ... hominids, simians, whatever ---

pre-what race, AV?

sounds just as divine to me, as my attempts at science sound to you.

Nothing divine about any of it to anyone, AV.

 

[Split Rock]

Did you find the fossil first, or the race?

In other words, are you creating a race from the fossil, or the fossil from the race?

The fossils exist, and they are not old men with ricketts.

You act like a sucessful prediction on behalf of evolution is something to arise suspicion, rather than confidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

The fossils exist, and they are not old men with ricketts.

You act like a sucessful prediction on behalf of evolution is something to arise suspicion, rather than confidence.

So you're creating the race from the fossil?

 

[gaara4158]

So you're creating the race from the fossil?

No. Scientists try to understand as much as they can about the organism from the fossil/bone and the environment in which it was found. Nobody "creates races."

 

[AV1611VET]

No.

So you're creating the fossil from the race?

 

[Split Rock]

So you're creating the fossil from the race?

Did you stop beating your wife?

 

[gaara4158]

So you're creating the fossil from the race?

Are you kidding me?
Have a good day.

 

[BananaSlug]

So you're creating the race from the fossil?

No, we name species from fossils. While many fossils are examples from ancient species already discovered, some are different enough to be named new species.
The naming of species from fossils is in all actuality quite conservative because the bones have to be different enough to warrant naming a new species. In living animals the skeletal structure can be exactly the same yet belong to different species because they are differentiated through coloration/behavioral characteristics.


Sparrow skeleton.

Sparrows- about 140 species

Do you care to address anything in GhostSlug's post?

Now don't take offense because I am not doing what I consider a flame, just my honest opinion. I think you do more of a disservice to Christianity than any of us could. Rather than admit when you are wrong or claim "I don't know," you make up wild claims with no basis in any sort of reality or even Biblical support. You seriously make Christianity and faith in God look completely illogical and unreasonable for anyone to follow. Making up stories to try and support your faith really does more harm than good. Your actions on here are simply pushing us farther away from your religion because none of us want to push reality and ignore reason just to verify a religious book. Stop being a "stumbling block".

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Did you find the fossil first, or the race?

In other words, are you creating a race from the fossil, or the fossil from the race?

Nobody "created" anything. We found the fossils, therefore we know that the organisms who were fossilized once existed.