Gold Dust and Angel's Feathers?

[JacktheCatholic]

Hate to spoil the party, but small birds like sparrows routinely make nests in ceilings (as well as under eavestroughs...). Likewise they also have very small feathers. I've worked in buildings with high vaulted ceilings (much like many churches) that have nested sparrows...

Well sparrows are a bird like a dove. The dove is the bird used to represent the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God.

 

[sunlover1]

you know, I don't see any stuff like this in the NT churches.

I think this was awhile back & it was called "The Toronto Blessing"?
But I consider it either a total crock, something wierd in the
koolaid they served or possibly if it WAS a real thing, more
of a dark spirit source.

This is my main concern.
But I'm determined not to jump to conclusions.
It's easy to jump when your kids are involved.

I honestly don't know, but I just don't buy into that stuff. & why
is it ALWAYS with Charismatics?
Why don't we see this phenomenon with other denoms or non denoms?

Well lol, that's the funny part. The friend that they go with's mom is
a friend of mine and she's very conservative CRC, as are most ppl
around here. In fact, I asked her Sat at the soccer game if she knew
about this (her daughter is a youth leader there) and she said she
would check into it... but I almost got the feeling she thought i was
overly concerned... she just texted me n said that the youth leader
typed a paper for me to read Twill be interesing to see what she
says about this.
BTw, I"M the one who's supposedly "charismatic", and believe me
not all 'charismatics' are loonies.

Angels are spirits. Ministering spirits.
How could they have physical feathers?

Exactly.

Maybe a bird got caught in a ceiling fan and that was the source of the feathers.

CAnnot imagine another explaination... at least not one that I'm cool with.
Pastor's abroad but, bet he'd look at me odd if i told him this one ...
The gold dust bugs me more than the feathers even.
And doesnt it say that the streets are 'paved' with pure Gold?
What we pave with TAR, He paves with GOLD!
(But certainly there's not DUST in Heaven )

 

[sunlover1]

For that matter, why is it always Catholics (as far as I'm aware) that have the stigmata?

And I feel the same way about that as i do about this.
It just makes no sense... what's the 'purpose' of any of it?

well I have never heard of such a thing. I have never witnessed such a thing. I have never read in the scriptures of this so I would also be questioning this..

You betcha. Gotta be sober and vigilant..

It is a fulfillment of Biblical prophesy:


Col. 2:18 Let no one defraud you by judging you unworthy of your prize, in self-chosen lowliness and the worship of the angels, dwelling on the things which he has seen, vainly puffed up by his mind set on the flesh,

TY CMO3
18 Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial
or the worship of angels,* saying they have had visions about these
things. Their sinful minds have made them proud,http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=51025174#_ftn2
* Or or worshiping with angels.

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I find this stuff bewildering. Someone I know well was praying with another person for healing and my friend ended up with a gold tooth he didn't have before. I don't doubt that he's telling the truth, and I've seen the tooth (hey, it rhymes!) but you have to wonder why on earth would God do that? This friend needs healing himself for a serious condition, a gold tooth seems like a poor alternative. I don't understand it at all.

Captivated!!
It's SO great to see you
Glad you're here, hope things are GREAT.

re your post:
Yes, Isnt that strange!
I wouldnt know what to make of it either.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

For that matter, why is it always Catholics (as far as I'm aware) that have the stigmata?

To decide merely the facts without deciding whether or not they may be explained by supernatural causes, history tells us that many ecstatics bear on hands, feet, side, or brow the marks of the Passion of Christ with corresponding and intense sufferings. These are called visible stigmata. Others only have the sufferings, without any outward marks, and these phenomena are called invisible stigmata.

More here: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14294b.htm

 

[Uphill Battle]

It's nothing more than a stage trick just like most televangelists use. If you want to impress me, find me an evangelical church where they have a preserved 1600 year old corpse like we have in some of our Catholic churches

I've seen preserved corpses much much much older, that have no affliliation with any church group.

but that's irrelevant to the topic at hand.

do angels have feathers? I doubt it.

Something gets depicted in art, and people assume that's how they are.

there is no evidence that they have feathered wings, (or even all of them having wings at all!)

God is a God of miracles, so why would he do small, petty, "showmanship" miracles? I don't know that he's ever been on record of doing any such thing!

 

[Mikeb85]

More here: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14294b.htm

Just curious, but why do you believe there weren't any stigmatics in the church pre-schism? Francis of Assisi is the first known stigmatic, even according to the link you brought up...

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Just curious, but why do you believe there weren't any stigmatics in the church pre-schism? Francis of Assisi is the first known stigmatic, even according to the link you brought up...

Why do you think that???


*** edit:

I see why:

Dr. Imbert has attempted to count the number of stigmatics, with the following results: 1. None are known prior to the thirteenth century. The first mentioned is St. Francis of Assisi, in whom the stigmata were of a character never seen subsequently; in the wounds of feet and hands were excrescences of flesh representing nails, those on one side having round back heads, those on the other having rather long points, which bent back and grasped the skin. The saint's humility could not prevent a great many of his brethren beholding with their own eyes the existence of these wonderful wounds during his lifetime as well as after his death. The fact is attested by a number of contemporary historians, and the feast of the Stigmata of St. Francis is kept on 17 September.

The RCC does not teach that there were not Stigmata before the big schism of 1054 (or what ever that date is).

I do not know why this Dr Imbert could only go back so far.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Just curious, but why do you believe there weren't any stigmatics in the church pre-schism? Francis of Assisi is the first known stigmatic, even according to the link you brought up...

or why there was about 70 recorded from the 11th century to the 18th... and then 20 in the next century alone. (that's going from an average of 9 recorded stigmatics per century, to more than double as many per century as of the 19th.)

and none recorded prior to the 11th. Seems.... fishy.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

or why there was about 70 recorded from the 11th century to the 18th... and then 20 in the next century alone. (that's going from an average of 9 recorded stigmatics per century, to more than double as many per century as of the 19th.)

and none recorded prior to the 11th. Seems.... fishy.

I was hoping to hear someone mention Padre Pio.

 

[Mikeb85]

The RCC does not teach that there were not Stigmata before the big schism of 1054 (or what ever that date is).

I do not know why this Dr Imbert could only go back so far.

Actually, I have never seen any source, Catholic or otherwise, that records any stigmatics prior to Francis of Assisi... (believe me, I've looked)

 

[Uphill Battle]

I'm sure you and I have differing opinions on Pio. I won't argue them with you.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I'm sure you and I have differing opinions on Pio. I won't argue them with you.

No problem. I am sure that many who are not Catholic find stigmata to be not from God. I understand it too.

But one of my favorites from Pio was the little girl born without pupils who received vision after Pio prayed over her.

 

[ARBITER01]

satan likes to produce material signs, carnal Christians love to see them.

We need to stick by what we have in our bibles, that is what The Holy Spirit will confirm to us with any experience.

 

[SummaScriptura]

My teens came home from a youth group meeting
recently, excited about things a prophet had told them.

They said that this guy had told them that when he prays,
'angel's feathers' fall from the ceiling... and something about gold dust too.
(I wasnt listening very closely after they mentioned the
feathers. To be honest, I was trying to figure out what to
say to them.

ANYhow...

Found this
(Charisma Magazine 8.99) More than 500 people in Toronto now have received gold teeth. The signs and wonders in the church have continued. At Bill Johnson's church in Redding, California small little feathers fall from the ceiling and have been doing that for some time. Bethel has been the sight of some "awesome miracles" recently. The feathers started dropping after a Morning Star Prophet (the Ministry of Rick Joyner) visited the church for a series of meetings. Mr. Kelly a member of Bethel AOG of Redding describes the appearance of feathers: "The feathers thing has been truly amazing. I believe it started when we had the prophet Bobby Conners come to our church for a series of meetings. During ministry time people would see feathers fall from the ceiling and Bobby explained it as a sign of angelic activity.. (I thought it was dove feathers). I'm not sure if he was saying they were angel feathers or not.. But ever since he came we have seen feathers falling from the ceiling.. they are very small and delicate, and not many fall, but you can see them from a good distance.. God is always surprising us with new things

I was disappointed to hear this because I have enjoyed listening
to Bethel's BJ on the computer several times.

Your thoughts are welcome.
(Do angels even 'have' feathers??)

Its very troubling to me.

I'm familiar with it. I'm just glad no one I'm close to is all goo-goo for it.

What is one to do with this?

"Oh great, God sent heavenly pigeons to our church tonight!"?

I mean, feathers?

Shouldn't a good ornathologist be able to ID the identity of the feathered creature from which one of these feathers came?

 

[cyberlizard]

My teens came home from a youth group meeting
recently, excited about things a prophet had told them.

They said that this guy had told them that when he prays,
'angel's feathers' fall from the ceiling... and something about gold dust too.
(I wasnt listening very closely after they mentioned the
feathers. To be honest, I was trying to figure out what to
say to them.

ANYhow...

Found this
(Charisma Magazine 8.99) More than 500 people in Toronto now have received gold teeth. The signs and wonders in the church have continued. At Bill Johnson's church in Redding, California small little feathers fall from the ceiling and have been doing that for some time. Bethel has been the sight of some "awesome miracles" recently. The feathers started dropping after a Morning Star Prophet (the Ministry of Rick Joyner) visited the church for a series of meetings. Mr. Kelly a member of Bethel AOG of Redding describes the appearance of feathers: "The feathers thing has been truly amazing. I believe it started when we had the prophet Bobby Conners come to our church for a series of meetings. During ministry time people would see feathers fall from the ceiling and Bobby explained it as a sign of angelic activity.. (I thought it was dove feathers). I'm not sure if he was saying they were angel feathers or not.. But ever since he came we have seen feathers falling from the ceiling.. they are very small and delicate, and not many fall, but you can see them from a good distance.. God is always surprising us with new things

I was disappointed to hear this because I have enjoyed listening
to Bethel's BJ on the computer several times.

Your thoughts are welcome.
(Do angels even 'have' feathers??)

sorry to be so late in replying....

i can provide proof that not all miracles are directly from God. I work as a nurse on an psychiatric ward. On my ward is patient who is really into angels (but does not have any christian belief at all - its all pagan), but she says she regularly thanks her angels and often finds white feathers on the floor.

This can only lead to one conclusion... faith in Jesus Christ is not the determining factor for appearance of the miraculous.



Steve

 

[Cribstyl]

My teens came home from a youth group meeting
recently, excited about things a prophet had told them.

They said that this guy had told them that when he prays,
'angel's feathers' fall from the ceiling... and something about gold dust too.
(I wasnt listening very closely after they mentioned the
feathers. To be honest, I was trying to figure out what to
say to them.

ANYhow...

Found this
(Charisma Magazine 8.99) More than 500 people in Toronto now have received gold teeth. The signs and wonders in the church have continued. At Bill Johnson's church in Redding, California small little feathers fall from the ceiling and have been doing that for some time. Bethel has been the sight of some "awesome miracles" recently. The feathers started dropping after a Morning Star Prophet (the Ministry of Rick Joyner) visited the church for a series of meetings. Mr. Kelly a member of Bethel AOG of Redding describes the appearance of feathers: "The feathers thing has been truly amazing. I believe it started when we had the prophet Bobby Conners come to our church for a series of meetings. During ministry time people would see feathers fall from the ceiling and Bobby explained it as a sign of angelic activity.. (I thought it was dove feathers). I'm not sure if he was saying they were angel feathers or not.. But ever since he came we have seen feathers falling from the ceiling.. they are very small and delicate, and not many fall, but you can see them from a good distance.. God is always surprising us with new things

I was disappointed to hear this because I have enjoyed listening
to Bethel's BJ on the computer several times.

Your thoughts are welcome.
(Do angels even 'have' feathers??)

Sheeze, that's very interseting.
It sounds kinda tricky but it's best not to say too much about things we have not expirienced nor trust.

They laughed hard at Noah

A fool is known for their many words about things they dont understand.
Let's be prayful to descern what this might mean.

Brotherhood

CRIB

 

[Nadiine]

Sheeze, that's very interseting.
It sounds kinda tricky but it's best not to say too much about things we have not expirienced nor trust.

They laughed hard at Noah

A fool is known for their many words about things they dont understand.
Let's be prayful to descern what this might mean.

Brotherhood

CRIB

The issue is why gold teeth? Personally, I'd rather have my original
tooth than a gold one!
:o

From what I see, God's miracles had a purpose/point. Something
that related... like they needed wine at the wedding, Jesus
made wine appear.
Would it serve well to have Jesus pass out a gold tooth when
they needed wine?

 

[Mikeb85]

sorry to be so late in replying....

i can provide proof that not all miracles are directly from God. I work as a nurse on an psychiatric ward. On my ward is patient who is really into angels (but does not have any christian belief at all - its all pagan), but she says she regularly thanks her angels and often finds white feathers on the floor.

This can only lead to one conclusion... faith in Jesus Christ is not the determining factor for appearance of the miraculous.

Steve

This is indeed quite true, and our church has the same experience as well.

Many of our monastics, priests, and church fathers speak of not seeking visions or miracles, because they can be deceptions. Plus the need to 'test' everything with a sober spirit, and to not fall into prelest (ie. delusion).

 

[Aibrean]

Matthew 24:21-28

For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, 'Look, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out. If they say, 'Look, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

 

[Rhamiel]

Sun, what kind of stuff is being preached at this place? if it is good christian doctrine, then it might be a miricle or it might be fake
but if you think what is being preached is not Christian, well then I would be a lot more sceptical

For that matter, why is it always Catholics (as far as I'm aware) that have the stigmata?

the stigmata is a reminder of what Jesus had to go through, it makes the World remember what it did to Him
Jesus only gives us good things, when a Catholic gets the stigmata there is a lot of time accusations that it is fake, but if a Protestant were to recive the gift of stigmata, well it is a good bet that most people in the Protestantism would not think it is real, so that kind of defeats the point, it is to remind Christians what Jesus went through, if such a sign would not do that, God will not give it to people thn

or why there was about 70 recorded from the 11th century to the 18th... and then 20 in the next century alone. (that's going from an average of 9 recorded stigmatics per century, to more than double as many per century as of the 19th.)

and none recorded prior to the 11th. Seems.... fishy.

the Enlightenment, the 20th century
some horrible times, times in which the Lord was taken out of society, Stigmata is a reminder of Christ, in a culture where religion and Christ is seen everywhere, there is less need to be reminded of His Passion, when the world became more secular, God sent us more reminders of His Son