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simonthezealot

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Brent Arias
Trento let me give you a tad bit of advice take it or leave it...
Quoting another online apologist, especially Brent lends no credibility at all to you...His posting has been proven time and again to be dishonest out of context and very unthorough.
 
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Sunday and the Tabernacle. :thumbsup:

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Preeetttyyy!!! :thumbsup:
 
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30 Keep ye my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary. I am the Lord.
And here is your earlier post...
Leviticus 19:30 You shall venerate my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Again are you changing scripture to suit your needs...That is shameful!
 
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Right ! In the Old Testament, the name "man of God" occurs more than sixty times and consistently refers to those who receive direct revelation from God. For example:
Deuteronomy 33:1 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.

Yes because in the OT God spoke to us through the Prophets.. But now He has spoken to us through His son.

1Kings 17:24 And the woman said to Elijah, "Now I know that you are a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in your mouth is truth.

2Kings 5:8 But when Elisha the man of God heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, he sent to the king


Nehemiah 12:24 ...give thanks, according to the commandment of David the man of God

All were Propehets of Old. God has now spoken to us through His Son.
In the New Testament, the term "man of God" or "men of God" occurs only three times. When used in 2Peter 1:21 (KJV/NKJ), the same "private interpretation" passage discussed earlier, it refers to prophets and thus repeats the Old Testament usage. Then Paul used the name "man of God" in reference to apostle Timothy: "as for you, man of God, aim at righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness" (1st Tim 6:11). Given this overall biblical pattern, "man of God" is an exclusive name designating those of highest authority - it does not refer to each and every believer. Therefore the third and final reference to "man of God" in the New Testament, again found in Paul's letter to apostle Timothy, is significant:
All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. I charge you [apostle Timothy] in the presence of God...preach the word, convince, rebuke, and exhort, be unfailing in patience and in teaching...discharge all the duties of your ministry (2nd Timothy 3:16-4:5).

We find Timothy as Bishop of Ephesus in AD 65, where he served for 15 years. In 80, Timothy tried to halt a pagan procession of idols, ceremonies, and songs. In response to his preaching of the Gospel the angry pagans beat him, dragged him through the streets, and stoned him to death.
Since the bible places apostles at the center of biblical interpretation, applies the name "man of God" in an exclusive fashion, and indeed calls apostle Timothy a "man of God" (1st Tim 6:11) - the weight of evidence indicates that "man of God" above refers to apostles. Certainly had Paul intended to reference all Christians in 2nd Timothy 3:17, then saying instead "...that the saints may be complete..." would have properly made the point by harmonizing with the sixty plus uses of the common word "saint" or "saints" in the New Testament. Yet Paul chose the rare and exclusive term. And indeed the underlined words above show the connection to the formal work of a minister. Brent Arias

Heb 1:1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
Heb 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Heb 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Heb 1:4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Heb 1:6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."
Heb 1:7 And of the angels He says, "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."
Heb 1:8 But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
Heb 1:9 "YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."
Heb 1:10 And, "YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Heb 1:11 THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN; AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT,
Heb 1:12 AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP; LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED. BUT YOU ARE THE SAME, AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END."
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels has He ever said, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET"?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?
 
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LOL He skinned your Pope James White alive here.
Right! i'll save my energy I know he pulls things out of context...It's not like he was debating white. I'd debate this guy get him over here.
 
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[/indent]SERIOUSLY I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT TRANSLATION THIS IS......

The OT is from the Jews Right?
Bar-Ilan University's Parashat Hashavua Study Center


Dr. Schubert Spero

The Helene and Paul Schulmann Center for Basic Jewish Studies

In conclusion, perhaps we can say that in Leviticus the Torah combines both commandments in a single verse - "You shall keep My sabbaths [plural] and venerate My sanctuary [singular]" (Lev. 19:30) -

Vayakhel-Pekude - Schubert Spero

 
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possibly. I AM by nature a defiant individual. Obedience and submission do not come easy to me.

However, obedience for the SAKE of obedience is also wrong. It must first be determined if the force engendered SHOULD be obeyed. There are many on the forums who sneer at those who do not submit... I would say that submission for submissions sake is wrongheaded and dangerous.

He that rebels against reason is a real rebel, but he that in defence of reason rebels against tyranny has a better title to “Defender of the Faith,” than George the Third. - Thomas Paine
Imagine being able to Master those faults and turn them into virtues.

St Jerome was hot tempered - so he moved himself to a cave so as not to sin. :)
Imagine the gift of being obedient - when it comes hardest.
I know - because i always had the same problem. Grace helped a lot in that department. :)
I cannot do it on my own....but it gets easier.


Now back to the regularly scheduled op.
 
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Thought that was strange wording myself...

I thought of my trapping I did as a young lad...I did hunt with a bow also..My neighbor was a hunter, trapper and a bow maker..He made me a nice re curve bow from maple, walnut and fiberglass..We even made our own arrows...Ever here of a flu flu..
 
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I thought of my trapping I did as a young lad...I did hunt with a bow also..My neighbor was a hunter, trapper and a bow maker..He made me a nice re curve bow from maple, walnut and fiberglass..We even made our own arrows...Ever here of a flu flu..

Made a lot of these in my younger days. I was Vice president of a Bow Mfg. also.

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Imagine being able to Master those faults and turn them into virtues.

St Jerome was hot tempered - so he moved himself to a cave so as not to sin. :)
Imagine the gift of being obedient - when it comes hardest.
I know - because i always had the same problem. Grace helped a lot in that department. :)
I cannot do it on my own....but it gets easier.


Now back to the regularly scheduled op.

this missed the point of my post, really.
 
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Hey Trento that looks about exactly how we made them...We made regular fleched for our broadhead and target arrows also...What type bows did you made..Been a long time since I have been in the woods..I get my venison from my BIL who hunts in and out of state...My sister gave what she though was trout had "fish" on the label man we had some good venison stroganoff with that...Sorry for the rabbit trials...God Bless...nab
 
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From the "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma"
“The Pope possesses full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, not merely in matters of faith and morals, but also in church discipline and in the government of the Church.” The Vatican Council declared interpreting that, “If anyone shall say that the Roman Pontiff has the office merely of inspection and direction and not a full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, not only in things which belong to faith and morals, but also in those which relate to the disciplining government of the Church spread throughout the world, or assert that he possesses merely the principle part and not the fullness of this supreme power, or that this power which he enjoys is not ordinary and immediate, both over each and all the Churches and over each and all the pastors and the faithful, let him be anathema.”


I have been reading "Upon this Rock" by Stephen Ray and this morning I read from Aphraates the Persian Sage, sometime in the early 4th century, the following which references Isaiah 22 in it's matter if not it's words.

David handed over the kingdom to Solomon, and was gathered to his people; and Jesus handed over the keys to Simon, and ascended and returned to Him who sent Him. For David's sake, sins were forgiven to his posterity; and for Jesus' sake sins are forgiven to the nations.

Keys to the Steward of His kingdom, written as early as 310 AD.

But read it all... it is a good read: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/370121.htm
 
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I have a bad feeling about the current pope

the fact that he would speak of world peace suggests that hes at least somewhat deluded

34"(AZ)Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35"For I came to (BA)SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;
36and (BB)A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.
37"(BC)He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38"And (BD)he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
39"(BE)He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.


just food for thought
 
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I have a bad feeling about the current pope

the fact that he would speak of world peace suggests that hes at least somewhat deluded


Many other "deluded" people have spoke of world peace.

Ghandi
Martin Luther King
William Howard Taft
Jesus
 
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