Pope, King of the world?

[spiritman]

Why would we need a fleshly head for a Spiritual body?

The natural man or unregenerate has no relationship with Christ and will naturally gravitate towards the flesh. He puts his trust in the flesh of man because he can't see or hear Christ.

Jer 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

 

[MrPolo]

Why would we need a fleshly head for a Spiritual body?

The same reason we need a material Bible to hear the word of an immaterial God.

 

[MrPolo]

So you obey the Word of God. Yet many would fail that test of obedience when Scripture commands: "obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account" (Hebrews 13:17). Indeed "there is nothing new under the sun" (Ecclesiastes 1:9) for even the first apostles were denied and disobeyed by many who claimed Christ.

Oh, yeah, Jesus installed fleshly apostles too. What on earth did He do that for!!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

your St. Thomas Doctor of the church places the pope at that same lofty blasphemous position.


http://books.google.com/books?id=yoAubHDsuiIC&pg=PR35&lpg=PR35&dq=%22Pope+is+the+summit+of+power%22&source=web&ots=s3fYC6ZtDn&sig=5SF2lvrYehi--muYyPYN-Vv9BGs&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result#PPR35,M1

Dan 7:25 And matters to set aside the supreme he shall wear out and to holy-ones [protestants] of most-high/05946 `elyown he [pope] shall bring decay and he is intending to alter stated times and law. And they shall be granted in hand of him unto a time and times and distribution of time.

 

[spiritman]

Oh, yeah, Jesus installed fleshly apostles too. What on earth did He do that for!!

We are to follow them as they follow Christ. To follow them and not to worship them, carry them around in a high chair, kiss their feet, etc.

Heb 13:7 Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you, of whom considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith. EMTV

3Jo 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Paul did mention that a few times

Galatians 4:3 Thus also when we were babes under the elements/stoiceia <4747> of the World were in servitude/dedoulw-menoi <1402>
Galatian 4:25 For the Hagar Sinai Mount is in the Arabia is together-elemental/su-stoicei <4960> (5719) yet to the now Jurusalem in servitude with the offsprings of Her.

 

[Trento]

I don't see the promise of Apostles until the very end anywhere in the scripture you provided. Nor Prophets, you sure that is in there?

Ephesians 4

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 for the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of ministering, unto the building up of the body of Christ:
13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 that we may be no longer children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error;

Unless we are finished building the body Of Christ and all have attained unity of faith which has not happened we still have Apostles.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Unless we are finished building the body Of Christ and all have attained unity of faith which has not happened we still have Apostles.

Where are they at

Reve 18:20 Be being merry over Her heaven! and the Saints and the Apostles and the Prophets, that judges the God the judgement of ye out of Her

 

[Trento]

We are to follow them as they follow Christ. To follow them and not to worship them, carry them around in a high chair, kiss their feet, etc.

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)

What is clear from the context is that Jesus was talking about people making personal judgments against others.

James 4:11-12 says If you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save or to destroy. Who then are you to judge your neighbor?" (NAB).

 

[Trento]

Where are they at

Reve 18:20 Be being merry over Her heaven! and the Saints and the Apostles and the Prophets, that judges the God the judgement of ye out of Her

Bibically it has to do with MEN OF GOD and saints.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

Where are they at

Why do people always ask questions when they already know the answer.

Is there any point to asking the same question over and over and over again when you are already pre-disposed to reject the answer you are going to get?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Bibically it has to do with MEN OF GOD and saints.

Is it only the RCC that has those?

John 10:34 Answered to them the JESUS "Is not it is having been Written in the Law of ye that I say 'gods/qeoi <2316> ye are'? 35 If those He said gods toward whom the Word of the God became and not is able to be broken/annulled the Writing 36 whom the Father hallows and commissions into the World, ye are saying that 'Thou are blaspheming' that I said 'Son of the God I am'" [Psalm 82:6]

 

[spiritman]

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)

What is clear from the context is that Jesus was talking about people making personal judgments against others.

James 4:11-12 says If you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save or to destroy. Who then are you to judge your neighbor?" (NAB).

Its important to understand the subject of judging.

I Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[MaxP]

your St. Thomas Doctor of the church places the pope at that same lofty blasphemous position.


http://books.google.com/books?id=yo...=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result#PPR35,M1

"Our"?
Newsflash, he was pre-reformation.

 

[Trento]

Is it only the RCC that has those?

All Churches with Apostolic sucession.

In the Old Testament, the name "man of God" occurs more than sixty times and consistently refers to those who receive direct revelation from God. For example:
Deuteronomy 33:1 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.

1Kings 17:24 And the woman said to Elijah, "Now I know that you are a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in your mouth is truth.

2Kings 5:8 But when Elisha the man of God heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, he sent to the king


Nehemiah 12:24 ...give thanks, according to the commandment of David the man of God

In the New Testament, the term "man of God" or "men of God" occurs only three times. When used in 2Peter 1:21 (KJV/NKJ), the same "private interpretation" passage discussed earlier, it refers to prophets and thus repeats the Old Testament usage. Then Paul used the name "man of God" in reference to apostle Timothy: "as for you, man of God, aim at righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness" (1st Tim 6:11). Given this overall biblical pattern, "man of God" is an exclusive name designating those of highest authority - it does not refer to each and every believer. Therefore the third and final reference to "man of God" in the New Testament, again found in Paul's letter to apostle Timothy, is significant:

All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. I charge you [apostle Timothy] in the presence of God...preach the word, convince, rebuke, and exhort, be unfailing in patience and in teaching...discharge all the duties of your ministry (2nd Timothy 3:16-4:5).

We find Timothy as Bishop of Ephesus in AD 65, where he served for 15 years. In 80, Timothy tried to halt a pagan procession of idols, ceremonies, and songs. In response to his preaching of the Gospel the angry pagans beat him, dragged him through the streets, and stoned him to death.
Since the bible places apostles at the center of biblical interpretation, applies the name "man of God" in an exclusive fashion, and indeed calls apostle Timothy a "man of God" (1st Tim 6:11) - the weight of evidence indicates that "man of God" above refers to apostles. Certainly had Paul intended to reference all Christians in 2nd Timothy 3:17, then saying instead "...that the saints may be complete..." would have properly made the point by harmonizing with the sixty plus uses of the common word "saint" or "saints" in the New Testament. Yet Paul chose the rare and exclusive term. And indeed the underlined words above show the connection to the formal work of a minister. Brent Arias

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[simonthezealot]

"Our"?
Newsflash, he was pre-reformation.

Is he not canonised a saint and doctor of the roman catholic church?
Then yes YOUR.

 

[Trento]

Its important to understand the subject of judging.

I understand the subject of judging quite well thank you.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh, yeah, Jesus installed fleshly apostles too. What on earth did He do that for!!

And?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matt 10:23 "Whenever yet they may be chasing/persecuting ye in the city, this, be fleeing into the other.
For Amen I am saying to ye, not no ye should be finishing the cities of the Israel till ever may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632) the Son of the Man".

Reve 17:10 and kings seven are, the five fall [*and], the one is, the other not yet came and whenever he [pope?] may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632), few *him it is binding* to remain.

elqh <2064> (5632), used 33 times.......1 time in Revelation

 

[MrPolo]

We are to follow them as they follow Christ.

Exxxxxxactly.

 

[Rick Otto]

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)

What is clear from the context is that Jesus was talking about people making personal judgments against others.

James 4:11-12 says If you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save or to destroy. Who then are you to judge your neighbor?" (NAB).

I think he was judgin' the practice, & didn't mention any person's name, so it seems a little out of perspective to say Spiritman was makin' personal judgements, Trento.
Doesn't discerning a man's faith by his deeds involve evaluation?
Legalistic condemnation is what kind of judgement that scripture is about.