Does anybody share this feeling

[squint]

I actually thought that you meant that it was my fault. I just prefered to adress that in a neutral tone.

Your fault? Are YOU the devil?

No.

Few will see these facts in the scriptures BUT....

ALL of mankind are GODS OFFSPRING....

and

ALL of mankind are presently COVERED by/with

THE DEVIL...

in the facts of this equation WHO then is causing the problems?

hint: It ain't GODS OFFSPRING.

enjoy!

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[Viribus Unitis]

Oh, that's better.

Now, are not we supposed to fight the devil?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh, that's better.

Now, are not we supposed to fight the devil?

Sure we are until that wascal gets thrown into the LOF

Hebrews 2:14 Therefore then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood and He in like manner did partake to the same, that thru the Death He might take-away the one having the power of the Death--that is, the Devil

Revelation 20:10 and the Devil, the one deceiving them, was cast into the lake of the fire and of brimstone/qeiou <2303>, the-where also the wild-beast and the false prophet.

 

[squint]

Oh, that's better.

Now, are not we supposed to fight the devil?

People who do not love their neighbors as themselves are under the direct influence of THE DEVIL.

Now "where" do you suppose this phenomena is "experienced" en masse?

Matthew 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

The "activation" of the influences of DEVILS is primarily in 'christians,' you and I included.

This is a part of the humble pie that our Lord requests us to ingest for ourselves 'personally' in order to understand what exactly the 'problem' is and even more from WHOM it comes from.

You see our arguments are not between RCCers and Lutherans, Freewillers vs. Predestiners, Law vs. Gracers...

Our disagreements are between the DEVILS in us who use these arrangements as excuses to NOT LOVE our fellow man...and of course to DENY their existence with us all.

Consider your wrapping exposed.

enjoy!

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[FredSmith]

Oh, that's better.

Now, are not we supposed to fight the devil?

I don't see anything in scripture that says we're supposed to fight the Devil.

 

[squint]

I don't see anything in scripture that says we're supposed to fight the Devil.

It's definately a wrestling match i.e. A FIGHT:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

We see this 'fight' in live action, real time, right here on this site every single day.

So far the 'winners' are the ones who condemn our fellow mankind.

enjoy!

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[FredSmith]

It's definately a wrestling match i.e. A FIGHT:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

We see this 'fight' in live action, real time, right here on this site every single day.

So far the 'winners' are the ones who condemn our fellow mankind.

enjoy!

squint

Looking at that in the original language, I believe it has much more to do with fighting sin than fighting the Devil.

 

[squint]

Looking at that in the original language, I believe it has much more to do with fighting sin than fighting the Devil.

You might ask yourself, SELF, why are you trying to DIVIDE SIN from THE DEVIL?

You might find that it is THE DEVIL who in fact does such things IN SELF. Sorry to have to tell you, but it's TRUE: and NO, you are not 'exempt' just because you are a beeeliever.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

enjoy!

squint

 

[FredSmith]

You might ask yourself, SELF, why are you trying to DIVIDE SIN from THE DEVIL?

And my self would answer that they are two different things.

Sorry, but sin is not the Devil.

 

[SummaScriptura]

That no matter what you type, no matter what your words are, there is somebody who will find a way to turn it into a fight of some sort?

Do you have any biblical basis for making this sort of claim? The ECFs would certainly not support your position on this! My church's traditions set us squarely in opposition to this line of thinking!

 

[SummaScriptura]

You might ask yourself, SELF, why are you trying to DIVIDE SIN from THE DEVIL?

You might find that it is THE DEVIL who in fact does such things IN SELF. Sorry to have to tell you, but it's TRUE: and NO, you are not 'exempt' just because you are a beeeliever.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

enjoy!

squint

Squint, must every thread be diverted to a discussion of your theory about the flesh and the devil?

 

[Viribus Unitis]

Do you have any biblical basis for making this sort of claim? The ECFs would certainly not support your position on this! My church's traditions set us squarely in opposition to this line of thinking!

Read it yourself in Mark 18:4-21:4.5

 

[SummaScriptura]

Read it yourself in Mark 18:4-21:4.5

Surely, you jest!

 

[squint]

Squint, must every thread be diverted to a discussion of your theory about the flesh and the devil?

Conversely, why is it that nearly NONE can render this obvious fact into their discussions? The desire to blame anyone and anything BUT the devil is a sign of the devils working in people, donchaknow?

It's not a 'theory' but a scriptural fact.

And the flesh is not the devil.

 

[wayseer]

Where does it say this is a debate section?

I think you are pulling my leg. You're not interested in debate or discussion. I think you are looking for a fight and if you can't find one you'll do your best to start a fight among others.

Enjoy!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Conversely, why is it that nearly NONE can render this obvious fact into their discussions? The desire to blame anyone and anything BUT the devil is a sign of the devils working in people, donchaknow?

It's not a 'theory' but a scriptural fact.

And the flesh is not the devil.

I disagree....The Flesh and Circumcison are brought up quite often by Paul and the Circumcision is faily important to OC Judaism to this day........I believe this is what JESUS and Paul came to denounce to the Judeans......[I dare not bring this up to the "Jews" for obvious reasons]

Acts 7:8 And He gives him covenant of circumcision: and thus he generates the Isaac, and circumcised him to the Day, the Eighth; and Isaac the Jacob; and Jacob the twelve patriarchs.

Phil 3:2 Beware of-the dogs, beware of-the evil workers, beware of-the circumcision! [Psalm 22:16/Isaiah 56:11]
3 For we-are the circumcision, ones to Spirit of God worship, boasting in Christ Jesus, and not in flesh having confidence.

Reve 7:7 Out of tribe of Simeon, twleve thousands, out of tribe of Levi, twelve thousands; out of tribe of Issachar, twelve thousands.........;
Reve 17:11 and the wild-beast which was and not is and/even he an eighth is, and out of the seven is and into destruction is leading-away

 

[nephilimiyr]

That no matter what you type, no matter what your words are, there is somebody who will find a way to turn it into a fight of some sort?

Not always a fight but there isn't a shortage of people who do misunderstand what is being said and no matter how many times it is explained to them, they will insist that they know what you are saying better than yourself. These are the closed minded folks who have boxed themselves in and refuse to learn anything from most others. At least not from us low people. They always view themselves as the teachers of everybody else, never a student, that's beneath them.

If there is going to be a fight, that is when it usually begins.


They're generally know-it-alls who never take a split second to even consider that they might be misunderstanding someone and or even just be plain wrong. They go on the automatic premise that they never could be wrong about anything or even simply to misunderstand what someone is saying. If on the rare occasions they do see themselves as misunderstanding someone they usually end up blaming that person or others for the reason why.

 

[Viribus Unitis]

I think you are pulling my leg. You're not interested in debate or discussion. I think you are looking for a fight and if you can't find one you'll do your best to start a fight among others.

Enjoy!

I wasn't, and I had to search what "pulling my leg" means to know. I think there are formal debates area, on which I don't think I have been more than once or twice.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Question is...if they do reply in a confrontational way, how do you react?

One can react with the stance of...."That's your opinion. I have a different one. Let's leave it at that"....or maybe respectfully elaborate on their point a little and then reply with ...."That's your opinion. I have a different one. Let's leave it at that"....and just rest securely in what it is they believe in and in how they think they should conduct themselves as a Christian.

OR...they can do the opposite of that, which is taking offence (God knows why) of the other person's lack of understanding or perceived innapropriate behaviour, and then go on to engage in a fight with that person (...which, isn't what we Christians do. That's not our nature).

Who cares who will turn what into a fight. Are you allowing other's actions to affect your degree of happiness and thus your consequent behaviour as a Christian??? That's not how we live our lives, friend.

Peace

Like the old saying says; it takes two to tango.

 

[ticker]

Does anybody share this feeling

...that something will only ever be a problem if it is you who sees it as one?